AMCA configuration in final stages

[surya kiran]

Why would you need 2 TD's? Tejas had only one, this when we didnt even have the infrastructure for R&D for advanced aircraft design. Now that most of such infrastructure is in place, then is there really a need for 2 TD's? I mean the sub systems/technologies can be tested on other platforms configured to behave as the new aircraft.

So that we dont have a repeat of Airavat. One gone and project gone for 10 years.

 

[Yeti]

Yes that's exactly what bothered me. Perhaps TATA HAL technologies could create their own Production Line under an agreed partnership level.

That could well be a option sharing the workload will be more efficient and ramp up production

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Pretty much the same.

 

[MilSpec]

Sandy sir , you mind explaining 2017 ??? I too think that but mine was a guess

PS Subramanyam, programme director (combat aircraft) and director of ADA, told Business Standard “The $2-billion fund will initially be utilised to develop two technology demonstrators and seven prototypes. The first flight test is expected to take place by 2017,”

Source: ADA seeks $2 bn for advanced medium combat aircraft

Apart from that 7 years seems to be a good timeline to generate the first prototype since funding started in 2010


P.S dont call me sir... makes me feel super old!

 

[Water Car Engineer]

PS Subramanyam, programme director (combat aircraft) and director of ADA, told Business Standard “The $2-billion fund will initially be utilised to develop two technology demonstrators and seven prototypes. The first flight test is expected to take place by 2017,”

Source: ADA seeks $2 bn for advanced medium combat aircraft

Wow, they can now throw in some serious money into this. The LCA program was like 1+ billion through out it's history if im correct.

 

[MilSpec]

Wow, they can now throw in some serious money into this. The LCA program was like 1+ billion through out it's history if im correct.

Although off topic, but I think the term "billion" casually thrown around in India, is quite scary... but thats just me...

 

[sancho]

Project LCA was revolutionary in terms of setting up cutting edge aerospace facilities. LCA was just a medium or in otherwise a product to study the requirements a country would need to build a fighter jet indigenously.

Exactly, that's why going for LCA was the right way, the problem is only that we didn't have achieved anything apart from basics in the aero field through this development after so many years. The development is still not finished, the serial production didn't started, the engine developments failed, the radar is uncertain and so on.
So we still have a long way to go to reach the goal and should waste time with dreaming about new developments.

Delay in LCA was not because of Technology, but because it was not headed by a single institution

Wrong, because the mismanagement lead into failures in the tech developments, ADA designed to fighter too draggy and too heavy, DRDO failed to develop the engine and now struggle with the radar, ADA (according to IN officials) totally underestimated the chances needed to navalise a fighter...
So it's a mix of both that caused a good project to suffer that much!

What AMCA needs is a single or a consortium of companies headed by a single person

Not only that, but also partners with knowledge and experience in the field of design, NG radar, engine and avionic technologies, because we lack behind in these fields, even for 4th gen standards.

Our contribution to PAK-FA/FGFA is limited because we have been chosen to contribute at what we are best at and the obvious answer would be Software. The rest they can better us, but that does not mean that we cannot do it.

Oh please, we constantly denied any Russian involvement in LCA, because we thought their techs don't offer the quality we wanted and suddenly we CHOSE to simply taka a Russian design, a Russian engine and a Russian radar? These are the core fields of a fighter development and we don't participate in them, because we are at least a generation behind what would be needed for such a fighter and the same developments for LCA are obvious proves for that!

 

[Vasily Zaytsev]

Tarmak007 -- A bold blog on Indian defence: EXPRESS EXCLUSIVE | India's AMCA will be studded with new-age technologies | Silent R&D work going on in DRDO, CSIR, IIT & private labs

EXPRESS EXCLUSIVE | India's AMCA will be studded with new-age technologies | Silent R&D work going on in DRDO, CSIR, IIT & private labs





By Anantha Krishnan M

Express News Service

Bangalore: Scientists and aerospace designers working on India’s Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) stealth programme are excited at the prospects of delivering a plane studded with gen-next technologies. Sources confirm to Express that silent R&D work has been going on in multiple centers of Defence Research and Development Organisation, Indian Institute of Technology, the Council of Scientific and Industrial Research and select private industries.

The Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), spearheading the AMCA mission, are ready with a scaled-down model (1:8) to be put up during Aero India, giving the world a first-time peek into the shape of things lined for the future. The AMCA’s weapon menu is being packed with BVR (Beyond Visual Range) missile and other precision-guided bombs. The internal bay has adequate space to accommodate enough weapons, promising high-speed release. It will have the required maneuver, climb and acceleration capabilities to engage the enemy in a close combat.
The aircraft will have adequate un-refueled range on its internal fuel alone (the capacity to carry more fuel), thereby enabling it to cover theaters that are significant from the tactical point of view. “Internal carriage of a mix of air-to-air and air-to-ground weapons will enable the aircraft to swing the role in stealth mode if required. A substantial carriage capability on its external hard points will allow the aircraft to carry out regular missions of conventional fighters in later phases of a campaign including maritime operations,” sources said.
The critical stealth technologies that are currently being developed include: radar absorbing structures and paints, body conformal antennae with shared aperture, flush air data sensors and frequency selective surface (FSS) radome. “The serpentine intake promises very less signature throwing to enemy radars. The aircraft can penetrate deep into enemy territory without being detected,” sources claimed.
THE AMCA MENU: Stealth | Internal weapon bay | Serpentine air intake | Super-cruise | Super-maneuverability and thrust vectoring | Advanced avionics based on IMA (Integrated Modular Architecture) | Pilot associate to reduce pilot workload | New generation display systems with touch panels | Advanced sensors like AESA (Active Electronically Scanned Array) radar and IRST (Infra Red Search and Track) | Net-Centric Warfare capability | Comprehensive EW (Electronic Warfare) suite comprising RWR (Radar Warning Receiver), SPJ (Self Protection Jammer) and MAWS (Missile Approach Warning System) | Precision weapons. (Concluded. Part-1 here.)

 

[BlueDot_in_Space]

From this

to this

Seems ADA has elongated the air frame.

 

[muse]

Impressive - I appreciate the ambition and the confidence.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

From this

to this

Seems ADA has elongated the air frame.

Gorgeous, really. The front looks like a next gen Tejas.

 

[BlueDot_in_Space]

The critical stealth technologies that are currently being developed include: radar absorbing structures and paints, body conformal antennae with shared aperture, flush air data sensors and frequency selective surface (FSS) radome. “The serpentine intake promises very less signature throwing to enemy radars. The aircraft can penetrate deep into enemy territory without being detected,” sources claimed.

Technology to develop conformal antenna has been developed by ISRO for its RISAT sat. Flush air data sensor system has also been developed by ISRO for RLV-TD program.

Frequency selective surface (FSS) technology is under development.

 

[WHITESMOKE]

Exactly, that's why going for LCA was the right way, the problem is only that we didn't have achieved anything apart from basics in the aero field through this development after so many years. The development is still not finished, the serial production didn't started, the engine developments failed, the radar is uncertain and so on.
So we still have a long way to go to reach the goal and should waste time with dreaming about new developments.



Wrong, because the mismanagement lead into failures in the tech developments, ADA designed to fighter too draggy and too heavy, DRDO failed to develop the engine and now struggle with the radar, ADA (according to IN officials) totally underestimated the chances needed to navalise a fighter...
So it's a mix of both that caused a good project to suffer that much!



Not only that, but also partners with knowledge and experience in the field of design, NG radar, engine and avionic technologies, because we lack behind in these fields, even for 4th gen standards.



Oh please, we constantly denied any Russian involvement in LCA, because we thought their techs don't offer the quality we wanted and suddenly we CHOSE to simply taka a Russian design, a Russian engine and a Russian radar? These are the core fields of a fighter development and we don't participate in them, because we are at least a generation behind what would be needed for such a fighter and the same developments for LCA are obvious proves for that!

@sancho: There is no denying in what you have stated since we didn't achieve what we wanted so it itself talk about the problems. But I believe a lot has been changed in these years so I am hopeful about AMCA. Back in time when LCA work started not only HAL, DRDO but mostly every other government department was non-accountable. It was not just the problem of ADA or HAL but whole system was "Chalta hai" A lot has been changed since then. Now people like you, me and other are asking where our tax money is going on? I am not saying everything has been changed but still a lot. Secondly before LCA we had no experience about anything but we have a lot since then. Everyone knows how much time it took to develop just FBW forget about other things. In many cases ADA, HAL overestimated themselves and in many cases they were unlucky. But now this is sure that we wont need to develop many things from scratch. We have many systems already developed and they need to be upgraded to 5th gen. Radar and Engine are most critical parts where there are serious questions. Thought I believe Radar could be indigenous by time AMCA get IOC or a bit late but I think engine would be a problem. There is virtually no news about kaveri development these days. But then again, I think this time jet development would not be coupled with kaveri or some particular engine. May be its wise to wait for some more time if they declare about the engine and radar. Who knows we suddenly hear another surprise. There is only one way to go and that's going forward. If we will not develop AMCA, we would never be able to develop any other jet in future since technologies would go too much advance and it might become nearly impossible to catch up again. So AMCA is much more important since it will be the project to bring us very close to other advanced nations in aviation tech.

 

[faithfulguy]

From this

to this

Seems ADA has elongated the air frame.

And the real plane will look totally different from these two. Its too early to know what the plane look like.

Exactly, that's why going for LCA was the right way, the problem is only that we didn't have achieved anything apart from basics in the aero field through this development after so many years. The development is still not finished, the serial production didn't started, the engine developments failed, the radar is uncertain and so on.
So we still have a long way to go to reach the goal and should waste time with dreaming about new developments.



Wrong, because the mismanagement lead into failures in the tech developments, ADA designed to fighter too draggy and too heavy, DRDO failed to develop the engine and now struggle with the radar, ADA (according to IN officials) totally underestimated the chances needed to navalise a fighter...
So it's a mix of both that caused a good project to suffer that much!



Not only that, but also partners with knowledge and experience in the field of design, NG radar, engine and avionic technologies, because we lack behind in these fields, even for 4th gen standards.



Oh please, we constantly denied any Russian involvement in LCA, because we thought their techs don't offer the quality we wanted and suddenly we CHOSE to simply taka a Russian design, a Russian engine and a Russian radar? These are the core fields of a fighter development and we don't participate in them, because we are at least a generation behind what would be needed for such a fighter and the same developments for LCA are obvious proves for that!

Thanks for admit that the engine development failed. I said the same thing and I was attacked ruthlessly.

 

[Che Guevara]

And the real plane will look totally different from these two. Its too early to know what the plane look like.

they are CAD design not some hand painted by artist.....

And the real plane will look totally different from these two. Its too early to know what the plane look like.

they are CAD design not some hand painted by artist.....