Alternative exists for Pakistan: Why there is little need to worry about Kabul’s threat

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Would this "super power" would try to take back territory that it humiliatingly lost to China in 62 war or would continue to dream about Gilgit Baltistan only?

Super powers are not brainless but shrewd one. They know exactly what to take back and what to be left gone.

The territorial dispute with China is somewhat vague.. for us we lost the territory since we claim all, for chinese we are holding their territory. Since border were never demarcated, its all perception who lose what.

But that is some issue between two future super powers, you wont understand unless you comes under Indian folds (imminent), so leave it to us to resolve.

 

[xyxmt]

There is a lot more than a "little" need to worry about Afghanistan. Sooner or later, they will get some F-16's or Mig's, etc, some combat heli's, etc and India is there to support them in getting those. The main focus point those would serve, would be against Pakistan.

So if I was to guess, Pakistan will need a small air-arm (3-4 squadrons), plus couple of divisions of the military and associated combat support aircraft / heli's to permanently keep close to the Afghani side. This show has just started and India will make sure that Afghanistan can become a pain point for Pakistan. Just the way stuff works in today' world.

thats why I say they will be in this mess forever, you think Pakistan will let Afghanistan stabilize to that point that thry can become a threat. If you have not learned yet, Pakistan can match any threat when time comes.

 

[-xXx-]

You can run a fiber optic, and other projects via Africa as well but it's all about costs. Afghanistan offers the shortest path for any project plain and simple. Anyways Pakistan is simple attaching economics with politics which it shouldn't and should learn from Chinese-Indian setup.

Pakistan is a nation driven on emotions. It's designed in such a way and little to no effort being made to change it.

We are similar too but with only difference that our institutions are comparably separated from people and there is a bit more objectivity.

 

[WAJsal]

You can run a fiber optic, and other projects via Africa as well but it's all about costs. Afghanistan offers the shortest path for any project plain and simple. Anyways Pakistan is simple attaching economics with politics which it shouldn't and should learn from Chinese-Indian setup.

That would matter if we were the ones investing, Chinese need to develop Xinxiang region. Why do you think it is investing so much? it doesn't affect us as we are not putting in the dollars, plus why risk it with Afghanistan. Security is not really the best in the world. It wouldn't matter much to me even if we were investing.

economics with politics

Good laughs.

 

[Areesh]

Super powers are not brainless but shrewd one. They know exactly what to take back and what to be left gone.

The territorial dispute with China is somewhat vague.. for us we lost the territory since we claim all, for chinese we are holding their territory. Since border were never demarcated, its all perception who lose what.

But that is some issue between two future super powers, you wont understand unless you comes under Indian folds (imminent), so leave it to us to resolve.

So "super power" has no desire of taking back what it lost in a war? Fear of repeat of 62 may be??


We are beyond India's "auqat" to come under its fold. We would continue to enjoy your dreams about your dreams about GB and AJK like we are doing today

 

[pakistani342]

We have numerous transit and supply routes to Central Asia, Pakistan is welcome to use them anytime.

I just feel the Pakistani state (and by extension people) are not competent enough to fully embrace the Chinese opportunity.

For example I don't know of any effort to:
1. Have a program that encourages China to open Chinese language and cultural centers in Pakistan -- we've decided to teach our kids Mandarin in the US but Pakistanis watch Bollywood.
2. There is no cultural prep program which trains Pakistani students before sending them to China on how to be aware of Chinese work sensitives
3. There is no program that has aggressively courted the Chinese government for scholarships for Pakistani students -- For example I suspect Pakistan has the capacity to send 10,000 students at the undergraduate and graduate level to Chinese schools, jointly funded by both countries

 

[mkiyani]

good news... Pakistani Kella (banana) for Afghani Julebi .. Nach meri (Afghani ) bul bul ke pesa mille ga.. Pakistan Ki madad allah krey ga tu dushmono ki kia aukaat...

 

[coffee_cup]

It pains me to see that in their blind hatred towards Pakistan, Afghanis are letting themselves ruled by a mob which is on Indian payroll and will do anything to please their master.

They would rather shoot themselves in the foot and live as refugees all around the world than to try to correct themselves.


The best course of action would be to get rid of kinds of Dostum, Abdullah Abdullah so that you could come out of Indian shadow and start making sovereign decisions.

Afghanistan should only look after own interest and not be dictated by some deluded "supa powa" who can not even help her own 400+ million poor.

This is just a friendly advice. If you keep allowing your soil be used for terrorism by India in Pakistan, you are not making any friends here. Pakistan has genuine concerns. You need to understand that!

Hey, we don't have to be best friends to be just normal neighbors.

If you still ignore, it is your choice, and as it is...every choice comes with consequences.

 

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So "super power" has no desire of taking back what it lost in a war? Fear of repeat of 62 may be??

As I said, shrewd super power focus more on what it can achieve, so India shall put her energy in likes of 71 and not in 62.

We are beyond India's "auqat" to come under its fold. We would continue to enjoy your dreams about your dreams about GB and AJK like we are doing today

As I said to understand issues related to super powers you need to be one. For that, in future, you either come into Indian fold or you may surrender to chinese fold. Only two options for you, chose any.

Or else stop poking nose when two big boys are talking.

 

[Areesh]

As I said, shrewd super power focus more on what it can achieve, so India shall put her energy in likes of 71 and not in 62.

Hiding behind 71 won't undo the humiliation of 62. A superpower need to undo it in battleground against the same opponent but then you are too afraid to do that.

As I said to understand issues related to super powers you need to be one. For that, in future, you either come into Indian fold or you may surrender to chinese fold. Only two options for you, chose any.

We have already opted and exercised our option. Looks like you are living under a rock and didn't realize it.

Or else stop poking nose when two big boys are talking.

There is only one big boy here. Our ally. Other one is just a wannabe.

 

[Zibago]

Its not "the group", its your neighbor supporting whoever comes into power. You won't see a Pakistan friendly person in power in Afghanistan, guaranteed.

Thats why the policy of strategic depth is being implemented nothing makes your neighbour more friendlier than heavy arm twisting by ma maloom afraad

 

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Hiding behind 71 won't undo the humiliation of 62. A superpower need to undo it in battleground against the same opponent but then you are too afraid to do that.

When an Indian and a Pakistani engage in some talk, only humiliation which is relevant is 71.

62 shall be discussed among big boys. Sidekicks (you can always chose whose you are) must just watch.

We have already opted and exercised our option. Looks like you are living under a rock and didn't realize it.

Yep, exercised, again. Last one didn't helped much.

There is only one big boy here. Our ally. Other one is just a wannabe.

A viable and feasible wannabe to be precise.

You might want to look out for "ally" meaning once again, just saying.

 

[Areesh]

When an Indian and a Pakistani engage in some talk, only humiliation which is relevant is 71.

62 shall be discussed among big boys. Sidekicks (you can always chose whose you are) must just watch.

The wannabe pussycat has already been forced to empty threats of 71 anyways.

Relevancy matters nothing for a superpower if it wants to undo previous humiliations which in this case is too scared and a pussy to do that.

Yep, exercised, again. Last one didn't helped much.

It has been in exercise since 1964. You were indeed living under a rock.

A viable and feasible wannabe to be precise.

You might want to look out for "ally" meaning once again, just saying.

A delusional wannabe is the best explanation.

As for meaning, whining of this wannabe superpower about our relations with our ally shows we are moving in the right direction.

 

[Zibago]

Told you so @A-Team and @RedHulk , we have not really needed Afghan route to connect to Central Asia. All our traffic is concentrated through China, we have a trade agreement in place. It is a secure route. But i do wonder what Afghan government was thinking when they apparently blocked our trade, who was even using Afghanistan? I wonder who they have really affected, certainly not us. I think they knew they couldn't hold leverage over Pakistan, just a pleasing move i guess. Nice try though.

Where are our good Indian friends. @Arsalan ,@Zibago ,@The Sandman , and those who missed this thread.

Afghanistan was a convinient route for us but not the only available route Ghani is harming his country by pandering to the hawks

 

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Relevancy matters nothing for a superpower if it wants to undo previous humiliations which in this case is too scared and a pussy to do that.

That's very naive of you. But as I said, super power stuff is beyond your comprehension. Those who cringe on past and miss the current and future opportunities end up like pakistan.

It has been in exercise since 1964. You were indeed living under a rock.

Read again, slowly this time. Perhaps this way you will understand what I was pointing to.

A delusional wannabe is the best explanation.
As for meaning, whining of this wannabe superpower about our relations with our ally shows we are moving in the right direction.

Anyways this super power stuff was posted by me in light mood in a response to other light post.

This post conclude my fun time. See you some other day.