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The fact is INDIA survived all of them!!!
Thanks to the total control the British had over her. Like I said had the other European powers no colonies in the Americas India would have witnessed all the conflicts the new world had witnessed. The end result would have been something similar to Africa.
 
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Like I said had the other European powers no colonies in the Americas India would have witnessed all the conflicts the new world had witnessed.
Lol
isnt it very hard for you to accept that India has survived all the tests it was put through as a civilization?
 
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Lol
isnt it very hard for you to accept that India has survived all the tests it was put through as a civilization?
I honestly don't know what your point is and how it counters my version as an alternate history of India
 
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I honestly don't know what your point is and how it counters my version as an alternate history of India
I get it.
Everyone acts dumb when they run out of arguments...
India would have survived and it has survived.
There would never have been an alternate history to India. Lolz
 
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I get it.
Everyone acts dumb when they run out of arguments...
India would have survived and it has survived.
There would never have been an alternate history to India. Lolz
OK how would have India survived if Punjab was ruled by British, South India by French and Bengal by Portuguese. Each part having a different colonial master loyal and often opposing interests.
 
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OK how would have India survived if Punjab was ruled by British, South India by French and Bengal by Portuguese. Each part having a different colonial master loyal and often opposing interests.
Dont you see that the Indian civilisation has survived?? Lolzz
 
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Dont you see that the Indian civilisation has survived?? Lolzz

Not only has it survived, many others have contributed to its splendor and glory, making up many threads of the rich tapestry resulting from that history.
 
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Ever wondered , what our world would have looked like if

01 Axis had Won against Allied (Event happened 1910 -)
02 Columbus who was searching India hadn't found America (1492) (This happened far long ago)
03 USSR stayed one entity (1990s)




World World 1 :

  • The world war 1 (1900), perhaps would have had a different out come had USA had been allied with the Axis
  • The French / Napoleon, if had retained land in USA and not sold it off to Settlers for pennies - perhaps it would have been a refuge when things got tough in Europe for french

USA / UK were at war with each other in 1800s a bloody war where USA did not even had an army all they had were Militia similar to the "Mercenary soldiers" who walk around. They were up against an organized British , who had a properly trained army

War of 1812
The British had even burned down Washington - this even also happens to be close to Subcontinent's own freedom war with local population of India around 1857

Some documented proof that Tipu & Napoleon had hoped to unite forces vs British
imagine how history would have turned had France - Tipu's forces had combined powers in India


Napoleon/ French are central figure

The United States declared war on June 18, 1812, for several reasons, including trade restrictions brought about by the British war with France, the impressment of as many as 10,000 American merchant sailors into the Royal Navy, British support for Native American tribes fighting American settlers on the frontier, outrage over insults to national honor during the Chesapeake–Leopard Affair, and possible American interest in annexing British territory.The primary British war goal was to defend their North American colonies, although they also hoped to set up a neutral Indian buffer state in the Midwest.Americans faced trade sanctions, from British and 10,000 to 40,000 merchants were imprisoned by British trying to trade with France

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Who were allies of Brtish

  • SPAIN (So attack from South America or help was not possible for Americans)

Native People (Tribes that sided with UK) - British wanted a buffer state of Native Indian (between rouge American settlers and their British colonies by nobles who served the queen)

On US side the cherokee ( who were later betrayed and sent on Trail of tears hsitoric event of migration)


In Europe Britain was at war with France


The Napoleonic Wars (1803–1815) were a series of major conflicts pitting the French Empire, led by Napoleon I, against an array of European powers formed into various coalitions. They revolutionized European armies and played out on an unprecedented scale, mainly owing to the application of modern mass conscription. The wars were a continuation of the Revolutionary Wars, which broke out in 1792 during the French Revolution. Initially, French power rose quickly as the armies of Napoleon conquered much of Europe. In his military career, Napoleon fought about 60 battles and lost seven, mostly at the end of his reign


So imagine - if USA / FRENCH had become allies against UK in 1800-1900 had these wars lasted a longer duration? Ottoman Empire was British allies or pretty much neutral, in fact Britain was supporting the "French Kingdom" vs French Empire


Here the painting shows the moment Ottoman accepted French leader
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Strangely it was the Russian-French alliance failure which doomed the charismatic leader

Fast forward 1 Generation
When world war 1 : Started -> Britain had alliance with French (???) / Russians

(Many other nations)
(USA(past enemy) /Japan(future enemy ww2)/Russia( unknown enemy ) / Italy (future enemy) .......)

vs


The WW1 was end of events set forth since 1700-1900 (200 year of treaties and movement / alliances)


And when you look closely the "small players" tiny nations that took pride in alliance with the big partners all disappeared from map, quite fascinating to see all these states that do not exist , who were allied with British

Go back to US-Britsih war , all those Native indian tribes ? What did British promise to them ?

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The Americas was where the future of world would be defined and British were keen to restrict growth of America

Obviously for British their colonies lied north of States (i,e Canada)
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Interesting map , the french just decided to give up Territory in USA
When you view , the role Napoleon played imagine his forces continued to hold on to the land in USA instead of the sale in 1803
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While the transfer of the territory by Spain back to France in 1800 went largely unnoticed, fear of an eventual French invasion spread nationwide when, In 1801, Napoleon sent a military force to secure New Orleans. Southerners feared that Napoleon would free all the slaves in Louisiana, which could trigger slave uprisings elsewhere.Though Jefferson urged moderation, Federalists sought to use this against Jefferson and called for hostilities against France. Undercutting them, Jefferson took up the banner and threatened an alliance with Britain, although relations were uneasy in that direction.In 1801 Jefferson supported France in its plan to take back Saint-Domingue, (present-day Haiti) then under control of Toussaint Louverture after a slave rebellion.



So decision by Napoleon, altered history when he decided to sell French , and his failure to forge meaningful relations with alliances in Africa/Middle east / South Asia

Had the sale not taken place , the French - British war would have prolonged another 20-30 years , and WW1 perhaps may never have happened


Between 1820-1850, a Mass migration (Forced migration) took place
For the Cherokee (Who happened to be allies with State vs British just start of the century - how tables had turned for these)


Were all forced to migrate from their land

This was the same time period when on Subcontinent the British was busy stealing gold and riches from colonies

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Alexis de Tocqueville, the French philosopher, witnessed the Choctaw removals while in Memphis, Tennessee in 1831,

In the whole scene there was an air of ruin and destruction, something which betrayed a final and irrevocable adieu; one couldn't watch without feeling one's heart wrung. The Indians were tranquil, but sombre and taciturn. There was one who could speak English and of whom I asked why the Chactas were leaving their country. "To be free," he answered, could never get any other reason out of him. We ... watch the expulsion ... of one of the most celebrated and ancient American peoples.

— Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America
 
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I never had known until today - that the french own 12 states in USA (worth of territory) which was just sold , because Napoleon , wanted money for his war in Europe

What if , the central USA belonged to french and the Indians migrated into it moving west and settling permanently into it for 100-150 years

How would the alliances act in Europe, what if Napoleon instead of dieing in exile , moved his folks to central USA to form a new government or nation

What if Mexico/Spain still owned Western USA , and Russia remained in Alaska and maintained a presence

If Napoleon , perhaps had second France (Central USA) , France vs British would have stayed engaged another 20-40 years politically well into 1900 , may be he would have lived 15 more years into 1845's

  • WW1 perhaps may never have happened, as French / British alliance vs Germans really is what fueled the ww1, and Hitler would have been an unknown person in history living and dieing in germany which would have not been at war
  • A king would have been ruling over germany
 
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