Alp Er Tunga

[-SINAN-]

Guys, i have recently heard about this mighty Turkish warlord. I couldn't find much information about him in Turkish sources and it's said that Alp Er Tunga is known from Persian records.

If you have info/source about him can you please share ?

 

[Awesome]

In Turkic literature he is considered to be the same character as Afrasiab in the Persian Epic Shahnameh.[5][6] He is sometimes mentioned as a khan of Saka.[7]

Alp Er Tunga - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


According to the Shahnameh (Book of Kings), by the Persian epic poet Ferdowsi, Afrasiab was the king and hero of Turan and an archenemy of Iran. In Iranian mythology, Afrasiab is considered by far the most prominent of all Turanian kings; he is a formidable warrior, a skilful general, and an agent of Ahriman, who is endowed with magical powers of deception to destroy Iranian civilization.[1]
According to Middle Persian and Islamic sources, Afrasiab was a descendant of Tūr (Avestan: Tūriya-), one of the three sons of the Iranian mythical King Fereydun (the other two sons being Salm and Iraj). In Bundahishn he is named as the seventh grandson of Tūr. In Avestan traditions, his common epithet mairya- (deceitful, villainous[2]) can be interpreted as meaning 'an evil man'. He lived in a subterranean fortress made of metal, called Hanakana.
According to Avestan sources, Afrasiab was killed by Haoma near the Čīčhast (possibly either referring to Lake Hamun in Sistan or some unknown lake in today's Central Asia), and according to Shahnameh he met his death in a cave known as the Hang-e Afrasiab, or the dying place of Afrasiab, on a mountaintop in Azerbaijan. The fugitive Afrasiab, having been repeatedly defeated by the armies of his adversary, the mythical King of Iran Kay Khosrow (who happened to be his own grandson, through his daughter Farangis), wandered wretchedly and fearfully around, and eventually took refuge in this cave and died.

Afrasiab - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Shahnameh (pronounced [ʃɒːhnɒː'me]) or Shah-nama (Persian: شاهنامه‎ Šāhnāmeh, "The Book of Kings") is a long epic poem written by the Persian poet Ferdowsi between c. 977 and 1010 AD and is the national epic of the Iran (Persia) and the Persian speaking world. Consisting of some 50,000 verses,[1] the Shahnameh tells mainly the mythical and to some extent the historical past of the Persian empire from the creation of the world until the Islamic conquest of Persia in the 7th century. Today Iran, Persian speakers of the neighboring nations such as Afghanistan and Tajikestan, and the greater region influenced by the Persian culture celebrate this national epic.
The work is of central importance in Persian culture, regarded as a literary masterpiece, and definitive of ethno-national cultural identity of Iran.[2] It is also important to the contemporary adherents of Zoroastrianism, in that it traces the historical links between the beginnings of the religion with the death of the last Sassanid ruler of Persia during the Muslim conquest and an end to the Zoroastrian influence in Iran.

Shahnameh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Serpentine]

"Although the identification of the Turanian tribe with the Turks is a late development, since the term Turanian originally applied to Eastern Iranian tribes of Central Asia, Turks cultivated the legends of Afrasiab as a Turkish hero after they had come into contact with the Iranians. Mahmud al-Kashgari quotes in his Dīwān loḡāt al-TUrk (5th/11th century) a number of elegiac verses lamenting the death of Alp Er Tunga."

From Wikipedia.

 

[Charon]

"Although the identification of the Turanian tribe with the Turks is a late development, since the term Turanian originally applied to Eastern Iranian tribes of Central Asia, Turks cultivated the legends of Afrasiab as a Turkish hero after they had come into contact with the Iranians. Mahmud al-Kashgari quotes in his Dīwān loḡāt al-TUrk (5th/11th century) a number of elegiac verses lamenting the death of Alp Er Tunga."

From Wikipedia.

It doesnt matter whether the Turanians or Saka people were Iranic because the Turkics today are culturally the descendants of Scythians. Look at the culture of ancient Sakas. The Turkic and Mongolic steppe nomads today have the same culture like the Scythians had it. The Turkic peoples hadn't exterminated the Iranian populations after they migrated from Mongolia to Turan. The Turkics mixed with them and assimilated them linguistically. The Uzbeks, Turkmens or Uyghurs today look mostly like a Irano-Mongol mix

 

[MertKaan]

It doesnt matter wheter the Turanians or Saka people were Iranic because the Turkics today are culturally the descendants of Scythians. Look at the culture of ancient Sakas. The Turkic and Mongolic steppe nomads today have the same culture like the Scythians had it. The Turkic peoples hadn't exterminated the Iranian populations after they migrated from Mongolia to Turan. The Turkics mixed with them and assimilated them linguistically. The Uzbeks, Turkmens or Uyghurs today look mostly like a Irano-Mongol mix

 

[Charon]

That's a pretty boring and listless picture

Why don't you just write the thing that you found idiotic about my post? Naturally only when you can write something intelligent

 

[Shahnameh]

LOL another one? Man these people are so incredibly moronic.
Turan has nothing to do with Turks. It was only used to describe central Asian Iranic people.

If you want to use a Persian book (shahnameh) to creat history, at least use it right.

 

[-SINAN-]

LOL another one? Man these people are so incredibly moronic.
Turan has nothing to do with Turks. It was only used to describe central Asian Iranic people.

If you want to use a Persian book (shahnameh) to creat history, at least use it right.

@MertKaan @atatwolf since you are the ones have the most knowledge about Turkish history. What are your thoughts about Turan.

 

[Shahnameh]

@MertKaan @atatwolf since you are the ones have the most knowledge about Turkish history. What are your thoughts about Turan.

It seems to me that you are even worst that what I though.
Turan is created by Ferdowsi in his book "shahnameh" to describe central asian Iranic people. If you want to learn about Turan, then read his book. Maybe you should read books before attempting to make "history".

 

[-SINAN-]

It seems to me that you are even worst that what I though.
Turan is created by Ferdowsi in his book "shahnameh" to describe central asian Iranic people. If you want to learn about Turan, then read his book. Maybe you should read books before attempting to make "history".

Lol, So Turks were Iranian people..... Where do you people come from ?

 

[Shahnameh]

Lol, So Turks were Iranian people..... Where do you people come from ?

According to whom did Turan ever refer to Turks?
The man who wrote the story never said they were Turks and you claim they are?
You need to read the book, I really suggest it, not for this issue but because it's a great book.
You can see the book in my avatar

 

[Esfand]

@MertKaan @atatwolf since you are the ones have the most knowledge about Turkish history. What are your thoughts about Turan.

I believe "Turan" is used two different ways here, hence the confusion. Apparently it was a term originally introduced as @Shahnameh claims, but in the 19th and 20th century the term was also used to designate Altaic languages.

 

[Shahnameh]

I believe "Turan" is used two different ways here, hence the confusion. Apparently it was a term originally introduced as @Shahnameh claims, but in the 19th and 20th century the term was also used to designate Altaic languages.

That's what I am saying and what serpentine said.
Turan originally was meant for Iranic people in central asia but now they have corrupted it's meaning.

 

[Esfand]

That's what I am saying and what serpentine said.
Turan originally was meant for Iranic people in central asia but now they have corrupted it's meaning.

Well, these things happen... Hitler did it too with the term "Aryan" and with the (orignally Indian) swastika (not that I am comparing Turks to Hitler!!)

 

[Shahnameh]

Well, these things happen... Hitler did it too with the term "Aryan" and with the (orignally Indian) swastika (not that I am comparing Turks to Hitler!!)

Hitler did it deliberately. Turks just need to be educated properly and be taught real history.