Almost all components of Iranian drones originate from US companies (Missiles North Korean in origin)

[That Guy]

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I am talking in general. I am not anti-Iran or anti-Iranian. I am anti-Mullah regime behaviour in the region, as I suspect that most Iranians are too deep down inside, even those commenting on PDF.

Anyone that questions Mullah regime propaganda claims here on PDF is insulted/hated by those Mullah trolls/supporters, nothing new. They get away with every kind of insult without any consequences.

In fact I suspect that my thread will be deleted for "imaginary trolling".

Doubt it'll be deleted. This is a Pakistani forum, not Iranian.

 

[Sineva]

Anyway fair game, a country has to do what it has to do, in this case Iran, but then stop pretending and falsely claiming that your weapons are 100% made in Iran when almost all of your components are bought or stolen from abroad. Fair enough that dictators/regimes are doing it to boost internal support but users from said country should not be doing it 24/7 here and anyone that used to challenge them was called a "troll", insulted etc.

Now the truth has come out and no amount of propaganda can ever erase that.

BTW Arab states such as KSA, UAE and others are cooperating with private military companies in the West, China, South Africa and others, using ToT from abroad etc. to develop their own weapons, be it drones, ATM's, ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, turbojets, turbofans, turboprops etc. and much more, but they and people from those countries don't shamelessly claim that those are 100% made in KSA or 100% made in UAE etc. weapons. They are for the most part very humble and know that they are just building up a large scale R&D, universities, mineral sector, private companies etc. like KSA. Iran and Iranians on the other hand (online) are incredibly arrogant in this regard in comparison.

The Mullah needs a bit of humbling (and their supporters), and the Iranian people have been giving them some humble pie to eat in recent months.

LOL!!
"very humble",thats probably the most unintentionally hilarious description of vassalage that I think that I`ve ever encountered on this forum.[and thats saying something]
Well done sir,you win the internet.

Just out of curiosity tho`,how long do you think that the gulfie militaries and their military industrial complexes could stay operational for if the west did to them what it did to iran,you know shut off all logistics and after market support,plus slapped sanctions on any third party supplies of components.
Do you think that they could manage for decades,years or only months?
I think that the iranians have an awful lot to be justifiably proud of,especially when it comes to their military industrial complex and its achievements.
I very much doubt that iran ever claimed that its weapons were "100% made in iran",indeed that would be ludicrous.In fact its always been obvious that iran made very smart use of cots whenever and wherever it could,while also making use of its not inconsiderable reverse/reengineering capabilities in order to locally produce critical systems or components that it needed to ensure a secure supply of.
Oh,and just in case you`re wondering,no I`m not iranian,in fact I`m about as western a westerner as you`re ever likely to meet.

 

[lydian fall]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1595142703859531777

https://twitter.com/x/status/1595142721223929861

https://twitter.com/x/status/1595142768317599746

https://twitter.com/x/status/1595142804594122752

Almost all of their missiles (surely all the designs) were bought from North Korea. This was already uncovered in this famous and amazing documentary:

The Mole: Undercover in North Korea - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

How does it change ground realities while you have blockaded Yemen and killed thousands of Yemeni children?

Children in Yemen Suffering from Severe Acute Malnutrition

In Yemen, children are dying from starvation because of a lack of food due to the ongoing war. Children in Yemen suffering from malnutrition need help now.

www.savethechildren.org

At least 400,000 Yemeni children under 5 could die of starvation this year - UN agencies

At least 400,000 Yemeni children under 5 could die of starvation this year without urgent intervention amid soaring rates of severe malnutrition driven by war and the coronavirus pandemic, four U.N. agencies said on Friday.

www.reuters.com

 

[Corruptistan]

LOL!!
"very humble",thats probably the most unintentionally hilarious description of vassalage that I think that I`ve ever encountered on this forum.[and thats saying something]
Well done sir,you win the internet.

Just out of curiosity tho`,how long do you think that the gulfie militaries and their military industrial complexes could stay operational for if the west did to them what it did to iran,you know shut off all logistics and after market support,plus slapped sanctions on any third party supplies of components.
Do you think that they could manage for decades,years or only months?
I think that the iranians have an awful lot to be justifiably proud of,especially when it comes to their military industrial complex and its achievements.
I very much doubt that iran ever claimed that its weapons were "100% made in iran",indeed that would be ludicrous.In fact its always been obvious that iran made very smart use of cots whenever and wherever it could,while also making use of its not inconsiderable reverse/reengineering capabilities in order to locally produce critical systems or components that it needed to ensure a secure supply of.
Oh,and just in case you`re wondering,no I`m not iranian,in fact I`m about as western a westerner as you`re ever likely to meet.

So you are trying to claim that much more richer, much more popolous, 10 times larger (on almost every front) Arabs with KSA alone having more mineral, oil and gas wealth than Iran,

https://twitter.com/x/status/1588451630235934721

could not buy weapons from North Korea, steal Western intellectual property while shamelessly while claiming it to be 100% Iranian?

Or buying Western components on the black market. Is this some kind of joke?

Even North Korea with 1000 times worse sanctions and no natural resources (unlike Iran), could do it and they are 100 times more advanced than Iran, hence why Iran is buying missiles from North Korea later rebranding those same missiles by using Iranian names (actually Arabic names to make it even more funny). Give me a break.

And if you are a Westerner, I am a Papuan. Which Westerner is simping for the Iranian Mullah regime of all regimes?

How does it change ground realities while you have blockaded Yemen and killed thousands of Yemeni children?

Children in Yemen Suffering from Severe Acute Malnutrition

In Yemen, children are dying from starvation because of a lack of food due to the ongoing war. Children in Yemen suffering from malnutrition need help now.

www.savethechildren.org

At least 400,000 Yemeni children under 5 could die of starvation this year - UN agencies

At least 400,000 Yemeni children under 5 could die of starvation this year without urgent intervention amid soaring rates of severe malnutrition driven by war and the coronavirus pandemic, four U.N. agencies said on Friday.

www.reuters.com

First of all the civil war in Yemen has nothing to do with this thread. Secondly KSA strikes on Yemen have killed less than 500 civilians as confirmed by every international organization.

KSA is rightly supporting the internationally recognized government while you (Iranian Mullah regime as usual) are supporting extremist terrorists (Houthis) who started the civil war in Yemen

Battle of Sanaa (2014) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Back to Iranian Mullah regime propaganda lies exposed for the whole world to see.

 

[RealNapster]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1595142703859531777

https://twitter.com/x/status/1595142721223929861

https://twitter.com/x/status/1595142768317599746

https://twitter.com/x/status/1595142804594122752

Almost all of their missiles (surely all the designs) were bought from North Korea. This was already uncovered in this famous and amazing documentary:

The Mole: Undercover in North Korea - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So USA through hardware supply is supporting and promoting a "Terrorist" Country ? I don't think you need brain of Einstein to understand who is to be blamed here. When Iran provides drones to Russia then Iran is bad. But if the same Iran os offered parts by USA companies does that make USA bad or is this a no go territory?

 

[Corruptistan]

So USA through hardware supply is supporting and promoting a "Terrorist" Country ? I don't think you need brain of Einstein to understand who is to be blamed here. When Iran provides drones to Russia then Iran is bad. But if the same Iran os offered parts by USA companies does that make USA bad or is this a no go territory?

Iranian Mullah's are shamelessly stealing US intellectual property (The Great Satan as claimed by the Mullah's) to build their drones, but at the same time they (Mullahs) are shamelessly claiming that their drones are 100% indigenous and made in Iran by Iranian hands, while in reality it is just copy paste assembly of US produced products.

For years Mullah supporters have claimed (online), as has the Iranian regime, that all their weapons are 100% made by Iran, but in reality it turns out, that all their weapons are foreign imports rebranded using Iranian names (in fact most of their names used are Arabic in origin).

Similar story with all their missiles, they are bought from North Korea mostly.

Even the so-called "underground" bases are an North Korean concept that North Korean experts build for them as that documentary about North Korea has proven.

So it is all a lie/propaganda.

BTW, did you know, that in Iran, www.defence.pk is banned and that you need to use an VPN to access it?

Those clowns are also blaming KSA for Iranian people protesting against their Mullah regime? Can you believe it? It is an insane regime and their supporters are also insane.

 

[Bengal71]

So much for their fake claims of "made in Iran". It is just empty air. Most experts knew that already but the whole world now has definite evidence of that being the case.

Yet we still have users on PDF claiming that Iran is some kind of global military R&D superpower and that everything that their Mullah's "produce" is 100% locally made.

Nobody has claimed that. But Iran does have significant manufacturing capability. While some may have exaggerated their capabilities, you are also exaggerating their lack of capability to make pot shots against them.

You need a ton of money, world class universities and the right minerals/resources to be completely independent and genuinely make your own high-tech weapons none of which Iran ever had or has.

Yes, if you want to be something like USA or China. That's not whatr they are trying to be. But whatever they are trying to be, for that they have enough money, good Unis and graduates/scientists to pull it off. Most importantly they have a government that doesn't sell off or suck off others, you can criticize them for their internal management of the country but in international arena Iran's government protects it's interest and fiercely dependent. A comparison of Iran's strategic position vis-a-vis Arabs between 1990 and 2022 is clearly visible, they gained. The proof is in the pudding.

They are basically doing what Arab states such as Iraq and Libya did 30-40 years ago (some like Egypt just after WW2 - impressive in itself) and trying to propagandize that as something completely made on their own.

This is not true. Iran is far ahead of any of the Arab countries in capabilities except the weapons and tech the Arab countries import. But imports don't count in this comparison.

 

[Corruptistan]

Nobody has claimed that. But Iran does have significant manufacturing capability. While some may have exaggerated their capabilities, you are also exaggerating their lack of capability to make pot shots against them.



Yes, if you want to be something like USA or China. That's not whatr they are trying to be. But whatever they are trying to be, for that they have enough money, good Unis and graduates/scientists to pull it off. A comparison of Iran's strategic position vis-a-vis Arabs between 1990 and 2022 is clearly visible, they gained. The proof is in the pudding.



This is not true. Iran is far ahead of any of the Arab countries in capabilities except the weapons and tech the Arab countries import. But imports don't count in this comparison.

Not at all. First of all it was EXTREMELY evident for any remotely intelligent person or person familiar with the ground realities of Iran (a poor country with poor infrastructure and no meaningful high-tech exports of any kind or real industrial base), that it is impossible for Iran to make all those claimed weapons on their own.

Now the truth has finally been exposed as nothing else than intellectual property theft, cheap assembly lines and rebranding US/Russian/North Korean weapons as Iranian by giving those weapons mostly Arabic names and unveiling them in front of a bunch of bearded IRGC officials and Mullah's with black and white turbans.

Meanwhile throughout this entire time we have had almost every Iranian user on PDF vehmently denying the ground realities and claiming that those are all 100% Iranian inventions.

So no, I am not being harsh. This would not have been an issue if the Iranian Mullah regime and their supporters were not shamelessly lying in front of the entire world. Time and time again.

They still claim that their religious police did not murder that 22 year old women. They still claim that some 50 Iranians have died in the past 2 months of protests despite 100's having brutally been murdered if not many more, internet being cut etc.

They have ZERO credibility as do their supporters.

They have not gained anything. What have they gained? KSA alone have higher ranked universities and more more research papers and R&D done per capita than Iran, let alone the combined Arab world.

Shia Arab gains = Iran in which universe does the math make sense? Houthis are Shia Zaydi Yemenis. They have nothing to do with Iran other than Iran smuggling some North Korean and US tech (drones) to Yemen. Similarly with Hezbollah (Lebanese Shia Arabs) or Iraqi Shia Arabs. Those are internal Arab conflicts that have nothing to do with Iran in their nature other than Iran fuelling the conflicts for their geopolitical interests.

And what are you even talking about? In 1990, let us just use KSA as an example, despite having 2.5 times fewer people, in 1990 KSA and Iran economic size was far more similar, than it is today, where the difference is 4 times in favour of KSA. Hence KSA being a G-20 member state and Iran not.

No, they are not. KSA and UAE have more to show for as of 2022 let alone other Arab states. There are no competition. Iran barely has any standing army. The only thing they have are North Korean missiles and US drones. They have a joke navy and a joke air force. Tiny GCC states such as Qatar have more impressive firepower. They even have Chinese missiles with a greater reach than Iran's North Korean missiles.

Anyway you are the same person that is obsessed about Arabs, claims that the Iranian regime is a better regime to live under than wealthy GCC states (despite those GCC states being flooded by migrants from the West, East, South, North, every corner of the globe) and nobody other than the most desperate of peoples (Hazara Afghans) migrating to Iran. You still defend the annual massacres by the Mullah regime where they murder some 500-1000 people of their own for just protesting. Trying to equate that with GCC countries where protests don't even occur (no reason for widespread discontent) and when they do, are not violently combatted in such a brutal way.

And the funniest thing is that you think that Arabs are more racist against Bangladeshis than Iranians are/would be if millions of Bangladeshis lived in Iran. Oh, boy, you are in for a surprise in an ugly way. I suggest visiting the Iranian section and see how they talk about South Asians in general and what words they use. Do the same thing with the Arab section.

You are really deluded.

 

[RealNapster]

Iranian Mullah's are shamelessly stealing US intellectual property (The Great Satan as claimed by the Mullah's) to build their drones, but at the same time they (Mullahs) are shamelessly claiming that their drones are 100% indigenous and made in Iran by Iranian hands, while in reality it is just copy paste assembly of US produced products.

For years Mullah supporters have claimed (online), as has the Iranian regime, that all their weapons are 100% made by Iran, but in reality it turns out, that all their weapons are foreign imports rebranded using Iranian names (in fact most of their names used are Arabic in origin).

Similar story with all their missiles, they are bought from North Korea mostly.

Even the so-called "underground" bases are an North Korean concept that North Korean experts build for them as that documentary about North Korea has proven.

So it is all a lie/propaganda.

BTW, did you know, that in Iran, www.defence.pk is banned and that you need to use an VPN to access it?

Those clowns are also blaming KSA for Iranian people protesting against their Mullah regime? Can you believe it? It is an insane regime and their supporters are also insane.

Yet America can be termed as supplier. Because trust me, if America want, it can stop the supply. Just like it did with everything else coming out of (or going in to) Iran. This only proves that the same "satanic" empire is supporter of Iranian endeavours in ME and beyond.

The question remains, why cant the USA be blamed for supplying weapons parts to Iran who is "terrorising" the world ?

 

[Bengal71]

Yet America can be termed as supplier. Because trust me, if America want, it can stop the supply. Just like it did with everything else coming out of (or going in to) Iran. This only proves that the same "satanic" empire is supporter of Iranian endeavours in ME and beyond.

The question remains, why cant the USA be blamed for supplying weapons parts to Iran who is "terrorising" the world ?

Those are commercial products. American companies have to pretty much stop selling those anywhere. If they keep selling it's very easy for Iran or any other country to smuggle them in.

 

[Muhammed45]

These drones were assembled in Russia and it uses the Russian gathered components.

It is made of the simplest components you can find in market, even Yemenis were able to fly them without presence of Iranian advisors. What Russia has received from Iran is most possibly blue prints and engines and also production line of these drones.

Making this drone is so easy that if one disassembles his PC and connects it to an engine with some explosives then he can make a suicide drone.

 

[RescueRanger]

Iran = 1 Russia = Nil

 

[Sineva]

So you are trying to claim that much more richer, much more popolous, 10 times larger (on almost every front) Arabs with KSA alone having more mineral, oil and gas wealth than Iran,

https://twitter.com/x/status/1588451630235934721

could not buy weapons from North Korea, steal Western intellectual property while shamelessly while claiming it to be 100% Iranian?

Or buying Western components on the black market. Is this some kind of joke?

Even North Korea with 1000 times worse sanctions and no natural resources (unlike Iran), could do it and they are 100 times more advanced than Iran, hence why Iran is buying missiles from North Korea later rebranding those same missiles by using Iranian names (actually Arabic names to make it even more funny). Give me a break.

And if you are a Westerner, I am a Papuan. Which Westerner is simping for the Iranian Mullah regime of all regimes?



First of all the civil war in Yemen has nothing to do with this thread. Secondly KSA strikes on Yemen have killed less than 500 civilians as confirmed by every international organization.

KSA is rightly supporting the internationally recognized government while you (Iranian Mullah regime as usual) are supporting extremist terrorists (Houthis) who started the civil war in Yemen

Battle of Sanaa (2014) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Back to Iranian Mullah regime propaganda lies exposed for the whole world to see.

If it was only a matter of money then perhaps you might be right and the arabs would likely have nothing to worry about,yet for all their spending on overpriced western hardware,the arabs are a literal joke militarily speaking.They`ve had an almost unbroken chain of defeats in the period from ww2 virtually right up to the present,with the israeli ones being the most humiliating [apart from the 2006 war that is] and best known,tho the recent yemeni one would be a close second in terms of military incompetence and failure on the part of the so called "arab nato".Ironically tho the vast bulk of the conflicts involving the arabs in the post ww2 era seem to have been either civil or arab vs arab,which I think frankly says everything and none of it good.
You might want to do some research on the iranian variants of the dprks rodong,specifically the ghadr 1 and h models,the only remaining rodong component left was the engine,the airframe,fuel tankage layout and guidance were all reengineered,plus of course you had the emad terminally guided warheads as well.
As a matter of fact you might want to do some research period,as your near total ignorance on this subject is not only actually rather shocking,its also horribly embarrassing to read,I mean I actually honest to god feel embarrassed for you when I read these crazy posts you`ve made.How sad is that?.

You know its funny,but when egypt switched from soviet vassalage to western vassalage back in the 70s,it wasnt able to even keep its 3rd gen mig 23 fleet operational,now it was able to keep its older migs going with some chinese and western help,but not its 3rd gens,funny that.eh?.
Oh,and lets not forget the sad pitiful state of the iraqi airforce,or rather what little was left of it by 2003,after just over a decade of un sanctions.I guess the iraqis just didnt have the will,or maybe they simply werent rich or "popolous" enough to reverse/reengineer an entire logistics capability,right?
Iran by comparison was not only able to keep its 3rd gens flying,but incredibly was also able to keep some of its 4th gen f14 fleet operational,tho not without huge effort,but if you actually knew anything about the f14 you`d realise what an incredible achievement that was by irans nascent mic.
I think that I`ve pretty much said all I`ve needed to on this subject,so in the words of the immortal Stan Lee:
"Nuff said"

 

[RealNapster]

Those are commercial products. American companies have to pretty much stop selling those anywhere. If they keep selling it's very easy for Iran or any other country to smuggle them in.

So USA is "unintentionally" supporting a rogue and "terrorist" state , militarily ?

 

[Homajon]

@Homajon

khoedammeeeee

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Persians and ther shameless demand from russians, we give you drone you give me SU-35...

Wow, you feel the need to mention me....guess I hit a nerve

It's been long known that there are many foreign components in the Shahed and also in the Mojaher drone, in the Iranian section it was already discussed, nobody denies this, so I don't understand why you are now excited...these are not High-Tech drones, their purpose is to be as cheap as possible so they can be used in large quantities, and therefore Iran buys in the world market the cheapest components.

But still I don't understand why you mention me. Do you think this news will silence me and I will stop posting about Turkey? I guess you are one of these guys who, when he has no counter arguments, comes up with this typical "But your country does xyz"....
Guess what, this doesn't work with me. It is totally irrelevant what my country or any other country does! If you want to prove me wrong, you have to provide articles from qualified non-turkish experts that refute my claims, only that will silence me, but that never happens!

www.defence.pk/pdf/threads/turkeys-defense-industry-has-come-a-long-way-but-ankara-still-relies-heavily-on-foreign-suppliers.688105/

In this thread I posted tons of articles from qualified non-turkish sources that show that Turkeys entire military industry is totally dependent on foreign technology supply, and nobody could refute those articles, all you see are emotional responses, the typical "this country and your country does blablabla", and if there are any links they are only from Turkish sources, never from non-turkish sources!

When I post about Iranian achievemets, I only post non-Iranian experts!

www.defence.pk/pdf/threads/iranian-president-raisis-renewed-emphasis-on-space-is-likely-to-create-new-tensions.732415/

www.defence.pk/pdf/threads/new-missiles-new-risks-the-escalatory-implications-of-irans-precision-strike-weapons.733152/


With that being said, you are very welcome to open a thread with the title "Foreign components in Iranian weapons", where you can provide evidence that Irans military industry is just as dependent (or even more) as the Turkish industry, and if your evidence is from qualified independent sources, then I will accept it, and you will get no emotional response from me, I will not post Iranian links, and I will definitely not come up this ridiculous "But your country does xyz"....


But even if you do it, this will not stop me from posting about your country, I can assure you that! Nothing what you do will stop me from posting about Turkey!