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An Independent East Turkestan will be bad for Pakistan

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There you have it. The question was asked and he had this once chance to answer it for his public and he spoke what he had to.

Did he say there is no problem? There is no genocide? No mistreatment? No harassment?

Or did he acknowledge the existence of a problem that he wanted to address internally "because of the benefits they get from being on good terms with China"?


If most of you Pakistanis still want to live in denial or carry on with your "corrupt" or "ignorant" behavior (instead of relying on personal research). Then I hope you do understand the crime you are all taking part in. If you still have souls that remind you of being on the right side of things for at least the part of knowing it to be a wrong in your heart (the lowest state of imaan).
 
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The Chief Witness: Escape from China's Modern-Day Concentration Camps by Sayragul Sauytbay and Alexandra Cavelius. Published by Scribe ($35)'s Modern-Day Concentration Camps by Sayragul Sauytbay and Alexandra Cavelius. Published by Scribe ($35)'s Modern-Day Concentration Camps by Sayragul Sauytbay and Alexandra Cavelius. Published by Scribe ($35)'s Modern-Day Concentration Camps by Sayragul Sauytbay and Alexandra Cavelius. Published by Scribe ($35)



ah yes, alas, no propagandiarreah would be complete without that cliche "glaring out into the open horizon" stare pic! gotta have that, othewise no one would by that shit! I mean c'mon...she's staring into the sunset in front of the ocean waves people, must be telling the truth, riiiiiiiiight? :lol:
Fool me once shame on you fool me twice....
 
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There you have it. The question was asked and he had this once chance to answer it for his public and he spoke what he had to.

Did he say there is no problem? There is no genocide? No mistreatment? No harassment?

Or did he acknowledge the existence of a problem that he wanted to address internally "because of the benefits they get from being on good terms with China"?


If most of you Pakistanis still want to live in denial or carry on with your "corrupt" or "ignorant" behavior (instead of relying on personal research). Then I hope you do understand the crime you are all taking part in. If you still have souls that remind you of being on the right side of things for at least the part of knowing it to be a wrong in your heart (the lowest state of imaan).
"Anti-Semitic slur" -- another Zionist supporter :lol:
 
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There you have it. The question was asked and he had this once chance to answer it for his public and he spoke what he had to.

Did he say there is no problem? There is no genocide? No mistreatment? No harassment?

Or did he acknowledge the existence of a problem that he wanted to address internally "because of the benefits they get from being on good terms with China"?


If most of you Pakistanis still want to live in denial or carry on with your "corrupt" or "ignorant" behavior (instead of relying on personal research). Then I hope you do understand the crime you are all taking part in. If you still have souls that remind you of being on the right side of things for at least the part of knowing it to be a wrong in your heart (the lowest state of imaan).



what he was implying ..we dont know about issues internal to China.. and if we need to ask we ask through proper channels, not in public.
i would say a brilliant response.
if he had straight off denied everything the onus would be on him to provide proof about Chinas internal issue which as FM of another country is not his duty to defend.
 
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I can list thousand of things but the lack of a strong spine and wasted last few decades has rendered Muslim countries as duds. We in such a state (besides Pakistan and Turkey) that other countries aren’t capable of fighting a 3rd rate power.

Their is also a lack of Will on there parts.


What state are Pakistan and Turkey in?
When was the last time they stood up against any oppressor or carried the will?
 
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what he was implying ..we dont know about issues internal to China.. and if we need to ask we ask through proper channels, not in public.
i would say a brilliant response.
if he had straight off denied everything the onus would be on him to provide proof about Chinas internal issue which as FM of another country is not his duty to defend.


Yes, for a response to the international audience.
But for a response that his own nation was watching and depending upon?

Why hasn't China been able to convince Imran Khan or FM or anyone else to defend it being "iron brothers whatever"?
Why isn't Pakistan defending China and denying any allegations if there are no concerns at all?


And above all. Why does our FM not know what happens inside China? The country he is supposed to have the closest working relationship with? Because its all about business and money?
 
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Yes, for a response to the international audience.
But for a response that his own nation was watching and depending upon?

Why hasn't China been able to convince Imran Khan or FM or anyone else to defend it being "iron brothers whatever"?
Why isn't Pakistan defending China and denying any allegations if there are no concerns at all?


And above all. Why does our FM not know what happens inside China? The country he is supposed to have the closest working relationship with? Because its all about business and money?
Why doesn't he say Israel is anti-human scum?I think most Pakistanis feel the same way.

Because he's a diplomat.He's not here to attack the U.S. government.If he denies it outright, the anchor will ask him if he thinks the US is lying?How should he answer?

Nor did Chinese diplomats directly attack the US.If it were me, I'd just say "Motherfuck,Anglo-Saxon mongrel from England, twisted brutes with lies, inbred freaks, genocidal slave nation. "
 
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There you have it. The question was asked and he had this once chance to answer it for his public and he spoke what he had to.

Did he say there is no problem? There is no genocide? No mistreatment? No harassment?

Or did he acknowledge the existence of a problem that he wanted to address internally "because of the benefits they get from being on good terms with China"?


If most of you Pakistanis still want to live in denial or carry on with your "corrupt" or "ignorant" behavior (instead of relying on personal research). Then I hope you do understand the crime you are all taking part in. If you still have souls that remind you of being on the right side of things for at least the part of knowing it to be a wrong in your heart (the lowest state of imaan).

Major western media are saying Uighurs Muslims are mistreated, including many independent people. According to my research something very bad is happening. China admits they have special vocational schools but they say its voluntary. So special schools for Muslims do exist in order to integrate them in to the Chinese culture and way of life. The uighurs are Turks and have their own culture, religion, traditions. I can understand why China must be taking this as a threat. Things like forcing women to have sex with Chinese men, eating pork etc. Disgusting. Shame on Muslim countries if they know its happening but are staying quiet. This is worse than Israel treatment of Palestinians.

The Muslim Turk countries need to give asylum to all the Uighur population. Around 12 Million migrating to 6 odd countries shouldn't be a problem, we have 1 million living in Pakistan.
 
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Major western media are saying Uighurs Muslims are mistreated, including many independent people. According to my research something very bad is happening. China admits they have special vocational schools but they say its voluntary. So special schools for Muslims do exist in order to integrate them in to the Chinese culture and way of life. The uighurs are Turks and have their own culture, religion, traditions. I can understand why China must be taking this as a threat. Things like forcing women to have sex with Chinese men, eating pork etc. Disgusting. Shame on Muslim countries if they know its happening but are staying quiet. This is worse than Israel treatment of Palestinians.

The Muslim Turk countries need to give asylum to all the Uighur population. Around 12 Million migrating to 6 odd countries shouldn't be a problem, we have 1 million living in Pakistan.
Any country that believes Uighurs have been genocidal should open up to unconditional Uighur immigration.Otherwise I can only think that these countries are lying.
 
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Any country that believes Uighurs have been genocidal should open up to unconditional Uighur immigration.Otherwise I can only think that these countries are lying.

If they real cared about them they should let them immigrate. Will the Chinese agree? Pakistan, Turkey, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan and co should let them enter. If you are not powerful to help them then let them migrate. Muslim land if for the Muslims.
 
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If they real cared about them they should let them immigrate. Will the Chinese agree? Pakistan, Turkey, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan and co should let them enter. If you are not powerful to help them then let them migrate. Muslim land if for the Muslims.
China does not stop immigration. Every year, hundreds of millions of Chinese go abroad.And none of the countries you have listed believe there is Uyghur genocide.

If you think of parliament as an official institution of the state ,Canada, Britain and the Netherlands are among the countries that officially recognize genocide.

I don't know why the US doesn't recognize it.Americans always preach in their personal capacity, and the US Congress refuses to endorse them. :coffee:
 
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According to my research something very bad is happening.
wtf do you mean with "my research"! are you serious!

The uighurs are Turks
you wish LOL, Uighurs are Chinese not Turks, nowadays China is practicaly the size of an empire so it's only natural for such a huge country to have several ethnicities.

If they really cared about them they should let them immigrate. Will the Chinese agree?

you are suggesting that China should kick the Uighurs out of China, that will never happen, China will definitly not do that rediculous suggestion if yours of ethnic cleansing of the Uighurs, they were born in China and they can and will stay in their homeland for as long as the earth exists.

Pakistan, Turkey, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan and co should let them enter.
I'm sorry to tell you this but the GDP per capita of Xinjiang is double that of Azarbaijan, no person in his right mind would leave his home to live in a much poorer place, if a Uighur individual is not content with the living standards in Xinjiang the he is much more likely to go to an eastern province such as Jiangsu where the GDP per capita is double that of Turkey than get out of China to poorer countries. and please don't even mention Pakistan, not only is Pakistan a close ally of China for decades now so the chances of Pakistan doing something that damages their alliance are zero but also the GDP per capita of Xinjiang is like six times that of Pakistan so yeah no mass immigration will happen.
 
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  • China operates an estimated 1,200 concentration camps in its Xinjiang province
  • Three million members of the Kazakh and Uyghur ethnic minorities are interned
  • Prisoners are raped, beaten and tortured and organs are likely harvested for sale
  • Sayragul Sauytbay was incarcerated as a teacher at one of the camps for months
  • After fleeing Xinjiang for Kazakhstan she has written a book about what she saw


A survivor of one of China's modern-day concentration camps has revealed the beatings, rapes and 'disappearances' she witnessed behind the barbed wire.

Sayragul Sauytbay was born in China's north-western province and trained as a doctor before being appointed a senior civil servant.

As a Kazakh she belonged to one of China's ethnic minorities who lived in what was known as East Turkestan until it was annexed and renamed Xinjiang by Mao Zedong in 1949.

The mother-of-two's life was upended in November 2017 when she was ordered into a concentration camp to teach prisoners, mostly Kazakhs and Uyghurs, in one of the region's estimated 1,200 gulags.

A survivor of one of China's barbaric modern-day concentration camps has revealed the beatings, rapes and 'disappearances' she witnessed behind the barbed wire. Members of the Uyghur ethnic minority are pictured in a camp in Lop County, Xinjiang, in April 2017's barbaric modern-day concentration camps has revealed the beatings, rapes and 'disappearances' she witnessed behind the barbed wire. Members of the Uyghur ethnic minority are pictured in a camp in Lop County, Xinjiang, in April 2017



A survivor of one of China's barbaric modern-day concentration camps has revealed the beatings, rapes and 'disappearances' she witnessed behind the barbed wire. Members of the Uyghur ethnic minority are pictured in a camp in Lop County, Xinjiang, in April 2017
Working from witness statements, teacher Sayragul Sauytbay made a sketch to illustrate how detainees are tortured in underground water prisons. Shackled at the wrists, they spend weeks with their bodies immersed in dirty water


Working from witness statements, teacher Sayragul Sauytbay made a sketch to illustrate how detainees are tortured in underground water prisons. Shackled at the wrists, they spend weeks with their bodies immersed in dirty water
The internment camps are estimated to house three million Kazakhs and Uyghurs who are subjected to medical experiments, rape and torture. Pictured is a watchtower at what is believed to be a 'red-education camp' on the outskirts of Xingiang'red-education camp' on the outskirts of Xingiang


The internment camps are estimated to house three million Kazakhs and Uyghurs who are subjected to medical experiments, rape and torture. Pictured is a watchtower at what is believed to be a 'red-education camp' on the outskirts of Xingiang



The internment camps of Xinjiang are estimated to house three million Kazakhs and Uyghurs who are subjected to medical experiments, torture and rape.

International observers believe China is trying to exterminate ethnic minorities. China says the camps are 'vocational training centres' and residents are there of their own free will.


Sauytbay was put to work in one of these camps 're-educating' inmates in Chinese language, culture and politics.

She has now bravely exposed the barbaric system in The Chief Witness: Escape From China's Modern-Day Concentration Camps, written with journalist Alexandra Cavelius.

Inmates had their heads shaved and stank of sweat, urine and faeces as they were kept in cramped conditions and allowed to shower once or twice a month.

Sayragul Sauytbay (pictured) has written about her experiences in a book called The Chief Witness: Escape From China's Modern-Day Concentration Camps with journalist Alexandra Cavelius. The 44-eyar-old is physically broken and has nightmares about her time in the gulag's Modern-Day Concentration Camps with journalist Alexandra Cavelius. The 44-eyar-old is physically broken and has nightmares about her time in the gulag


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Sayragul Sauytbay (pictured) has written about her experiences in a book called The Chief Witness: Escape From China's Modern-Day Concentration Camps with journalist Alexandra Cavelius. The 44-eyar-old is physically broken and has nightmares about her time in the gulag




Sauytbay saw evidence of organ harvesting and recounts an 84-year-old woman having her fingernails pulled out after she denied making an international phone call.

She was made to watch guards pack-rape a woman in her early 20s after she had confessed to texting Muslim holiday greetings a friend when she was in Year 9.

Sauytbay was literally forced to sign her own death warrant, agreeing she would face the death penalty if she revealed what happened in the prison or broke any rule.

During her internment Sauytbay also gained access to secret information that revealed the Communist Party's long-term plans to undermine its minorities and democracies around the world.

Among the state secrets she read in papers stamped 'Classified Documents from Beijing' was the real purpose of the Xinjiang camps as outlined in a three-step plan.




Step one for 2014–2015 was to 'assimilate those who are willing in Xinjiang, and eliminate those who are not.'

Step two (2025–2035): 'After assimilation within China is complete, neighbouring countries will be annexed.'

Step three (2035–2055): 'After the realisation of the Chinese dream comes the occupation of Europe.'

After her release in March 2018, Sauytbay escaped from Xinjiang into Kazakhstan where she was reunited with her husband and children before fleeing to Sweden.

Having revealed what Sauytbay describes as 'the biggest systematic incarceration of a single ethnic group since the Third Reich', she still lives with the constant threat of reprisals.

Sauytbay, now 44, is physically broken and has nightmares about her time in the gulag, hearing tortured prisoners scream out 'save us, please save us' in her sleep.

The following is an edited extract from The Chief Witness: Escape from China's Modern-Day Concentration Camps by Sayragul Sauytbay and Alexandra Cavelius. Published by Scribe ($35).

HARVESTING 'HALAL' HUMAN ORGANS

They paid special attention in the medical department to the files of young, strong people. These were treated differently and marked with a red X. At first, I was so naïve - only later did I wonder why they always earmarked the files of fundamentally healthy people.

Had they preselected these individuals for organ harvesting? Organs that doctors would later remove without consent? It was simply a fact that the Party took organs from prisoners.

Several clinics in East Turkestan traded in organs. In Altai, for instance, it was common knowledge that lots of Arabs preferred the organs of fellow Muslims, because they considered them 'halal'. Perhaps, I thought, they were trading in kidneys, hearts, and usable body parts at the camp as well?

After a while, I realised that these young, healthy inmates were disappearing overnight, whisked away by the guards, even though their point scores hadn't dropped. When I checked later, I realised to my horror that all their medical files were marked with a red X.




Sauytbay saw evidence of organ harvesting, witnessed countless prisoners 'disappear' and recounts an 84-year-old woman having her fingernails pulled out. Pictured is the Artux City Vocational Skills Education Training Service Centre north of Kashgar in the Xinjiang region'disappear' and recounts an 84-year-old woman having her fingernails pulled out. Pictured is the Artux City Vocational Skills Education Training Service Centre north of Kashgar in the Xinjiang region



Sauytbay saw evidence of organ harvesting, witnessed countless prisoners 'disappear' and recounts an 84-year-old woman having her fingernails pulled out. Pictured is the Artux City Vocational Skills Education Training Service Centre north of Kashgar in the Xinjiang region
'THE RAW CRIES OF A DYING ANIMAL'

I was on sentry duty till one in the morning. At midnight, I had to stand in my assigned spot in the vast hall for an hour. Sometimes we would switch sides with the other sentries.

We were always positioned behind a line drawn on the floor. On rare occasions there would be a few inmates lined up there, too, but there would always be a guard by each of them. 'We cannot under any circumstances allow a break-out!' they insisted. Not that escape seemed likely. All of the doors had multiple locks. Nobody was ever getting out.

I'd never heard anything like it in all my life. Screams like that aren't something you forget
If, by some chance, one of the prisoners did manage to escape, they continued, we were not to let the news spread around the camp.

I stared at the glass-walled guardhouse opposite. Behind it was the stairwell. I had quickly realised that there must be several lower levels, because administrative staff often took ages fetching things from 'the bottom floor', even when they were ordered to hurry.

The stairwell was also near the 'black room', where they tortured people in the most abominable ways. After two or three days at the camp, I heard the screams for the first time, resonating throughout the enormous hall and seeping into every pore of my body. I felt like I was teetering on the edge of some dizzying chasm.

I'd never heard anything like it in all my life. Screams like that aren't something you forget. The second you hear them, you know what kind of agony that person is experiencing. They sounded like the raw cries of a dying animal.





MAKING THE DEAD DISAPPEAR

I've described one type of confidential document already - the type that ended up crumbling into ash. But some controversial subject matter wasn't intended for teaching, so they took a different approach. Not even the guards in the room were allowed to know what these documents contained, and thus one night I found myself standing motionless in a small office, silently reading Instruction 21.

Here, too, officers observed my facial expressions, trying to work out how I was reacting to the contents. But I'd learned my lesson. No matter how appalling the message, my face betrayed no response.

'All those who die in the camp must vanish without a trace.' There it was, as plain as day, in bald, official jargon, as though they were talking about disposing of spoiled food. There should be no visible signs of torture on the bodies. When a prisoner was killed, or died in some other way, it had to be kept absolutely secret. Any evidence, proof, or documentation was to be immediately destroyed. Taking photos or video recordings of the corpses was strictly forbidden. Family members were supposed to be fobbed off with vague excuses as to the manner of death; and in certain cases, they explained, it was advisable simply never to mention they had died at all.




'THE BLACK ROOM' TORTURE CHAMBER

During 'class', I noticed a number of prisoners groaning and scratching themselves until they bled. I couldn't tell if they were genuinely ill or had gone mad. As my mouth opened and closed - I was barely even listening to myself talk about our self-sacrificing patriarch Xi Jinping, who 'passes on the warmth of love with his hands' - several of the 'students' collapsed unconscious and fell off their plastic chairs.

Many inmates, bound at the wrists and ankles, they strapped into chairs that had nails sticking out of the seats
In threatening situations, human beings have a kind of switch in our brains that functions like a fuse in an electrical circuit. As soon as the level of anguish we're experiencing exceeds the capacity of our senses, we simply switch off: to stop us going out of our minds with fear, we lose consciousness in extremis.

When this happened, the guards would summon their colleagues outside, who rushed in, grabbed the unconscious person by both arms, and dragged them away like a doll, their feet trailing across the floor. But they didn't just take the unconscious, the sick, and the mad. Suddenly, the door would spring open, and heavily armed men would thunder into the room. For no reason at all. Sometimes it was simply because a prisoner hadn't understood one of the guard's orders, issued in Chinese.

The Chief Witness: Escape from China's Modern-Day Concentration Camps by Sayragul Sauytbay and Alexandra Cavelius. Published by Scribe ($35)'s Modern-Day Concentration Camps by Sayragul Sauytbay and Alexandra Cavelius. Published by Scribe ($35)


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The Chief Witness: Escape from China's Modern-Day Concentration Camps by Sayragul Sauytbay and Alexandra Cavelius. Published by Scribe ($35)
These people were among the unluckiest in the camp. I could see in their eyes how they felt - that raging storm of pain and suffering. Hearing their screams and cries for help in the corridors afterwards made our blood freeze in our veins, and brought us to the verge of panic. They were drawn-out, constant, virtually unbearable. There was no more sorrowful sound.

I saw with my own eyes the various instruments of torture in the 'black room'. The chains on the wall. Many inmates, bound at the wrists and ankles, they strapped into chairs that had nails sticking out of the seats. Many of the people they tortured never came back out of that room - others stumbled out, covered in blood.





PULLING OUT FINGERNAILS AND TOENAILS

The space, roughly twenty metres square, looked a bit like a darkroom. A messy black strip about thirty centimetres wide had been painted on the wall just above the floor, as though someone had smeared it with mud. In the middle was a table three or four metres long, crammed with all kinds of tools and torture devices. Tasers and police cudgels in various shapes and sizes: thick, thin, long, and short. Iron rods used to fix the hands and feet in agonising positions behind a person's back, designed to inflict the maximum possible pain.

The walls, too, were hung with weapons and implements that looked like they were from the Middle Ages
The walls, too, were hung with weapons and implements that looked like they were from the Middle Ages. Implements used to pull out fingernails and toenails, and a long stick - a bit like a spear - that had been sharpened like a dagger at one end. They used it for jabbing into a person's flesh.

Along one side of the room was a row of chairs designed for different purposes. Electric chairs and metal chairs with bars and straps to stop the victim moving; iron chairs with holes in the back so that the arms could be twisted back above the shoulder joint. My gaze wandered across the walls and floor. Rough cement. Grey and dirty, revolting and confusing - as though evil itself was squatting in that room, feeding on our pain. I was certain I would die before dawn.

The Chief Witness: Escape from China's Modern-Day Concentration Camps by Sayragul Sauytbay and Alexandra Cavelius. Published by Scribe ($35).






When you trying to get oxygen for yourself and picking firewood, beware of the black fungus. And white fungus.

AND NOW BEWARE OF YELLOW FUNGUS

Only one word I can say to you and to all Indians

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