ALL Xinjiang related issues e.g. uyghur people, development, videos etc, In here please.

[Brainsucker]

Most Chinese are blocked by Great Firewall, and the goverment officials are not prepared for the battle of propaganda.

That's China CCP weakness. They care only about Karl Marx and Mao jargon, but forget to learn psychology.

 

[Hexciter]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1142436919265001472

 

[beijingwalker]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1142436919265001472

So low tech, I can make a copy of that writing about final solution to all Chinese minorities, so childish..

 

[Rasengan]

Most Chinese are blocked by Great Firewall, and the goverment officials are not prepared for the battle of propaganda.

I'm talking about Chinese student's who study abroad in western universities. Govt officials aren't prepared but then again this is there fault in choosing poor candidates. They need to change this because whether you like it or not brother its damaging China's soft image. You can't view China in isolation the modern world will not allow that as traditionally thought by Chinese.

 

[TheTruth]

Guess you didn't even watch the whole video, what can I expect from a troll?
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I watched the video. They show no evidence. Why are you so desperate to believe West/Jew lies?

 

[vi-va]

Thank you, for the compliment. I was fortunate enough to meet many great Chinese friends at my University who taught me many things about China and its culture. There are always two sides to a story, and I wanted to understand the situation from China's perspective rather than the west. I'm not interested in the accounts of journalists from the west who sit in an office somewhere in Washington and make some dumb accusation. China's relationship with Pakistan which is a Muslim country was once seen before when the Tang dynasty fostered a close relationship with Abbasid Caliphate.

No country is perfect, and China is a huge nation with a large population. Naturally, any Govt in office would face some problems. But its how you deal with those issues is the most important thing. Deng Xiaoping knew this more than anyone else when he said: "It does not matter if a cat is black or white as long as it catches mice." These words have deep meaning, they show he was a great man who challenged those who led China to a dark path (gang of four), someone who had the vision for a bright future for his people. Did this mean everything went smoothly? No. But most people on this forum have no understanding of how the Chinese behave. The Chinese are self-critical of themselves but they won't do that in front of a foreigner and degrade their Govt or country. This is why I hate someone like Rabiya Kadeer. She was a Chinese politician, made money under that system but secretly she was trying to lead an independence movement. Honour means nothing in today's world, but historically we Muslim's value this principle. Its why people like Guang Yu who refused Cao Cao's offer of becoming a general because he stood by his brother Lui Bei is remembered and he paid it with his life.

What the Chinese Govt need's to do is bring in more development in Xinjiang, foster better ties between the Han and Uighur community. China must improve on its PR campaign. Put the Uighur issue to the side. I don't like to say this, but Beijing has done a poor job in discrediting the Tibet problem, Falun Gong and these protestors in Hong Kong. Why has this issue taken root in the western world? Its because in each University campus, people are discussing these topics and no Chinese student is participating to refute them. This was the biggest issue I had with my own friends. I use to say to them that you mustn't sit around and let them attack China. Instead, you must educate the masses on this issue. Obviously, there is a language barrier and you need confidence.

Many Chinese members have complained that Pakistani newspapers have attacked China, but what they don't take into consideration is those newspapers have attacked the Pakistani military. Why have they done this? Because the American's have invested $200 million across media houses to speak their narrative. China must do the same. It must employ the right people in media communications.

Can't agree more. You do have deep insight on China issues. You knew "The Three Kingdom" story, and why people worship Guan Yu because of righteousness(义). Guan Yu is brother of Liu Bei, he can't betray him for high position, money and women.

The Confucian virtues are 仁(benevolence)义(righteousness)礼(etiquette)智(wisdom)信(believe). I think we Chinese should also learn Muslim value, at least the basic value, otherwise, we can't understand our brother country - Pakistan.

China gov did poor jobs on Info War. The Price is very high. China may improve on this, but will take a long time.

Anglo-Saxon are so good at Info War game, they even wrote book to brag their achievement.

1999: Victory Without War : Richard Nixon

The Info War is vital for China, Pakistan and many other countries, otherwise we are doomed.

 

[Rasengan]

Can't agree more. You do have deep insight on China issues. You knew "The Three Kingdom" story, and why people worship Guan Yu because of righteousness(义). Guan Yu is brother of Liu Bei, he can't betray him for high position, money and women.

The Confucian virtues are 仁(benevolence)义(righteousness)礼(etiquette)智(wisdom)信(believe). I think we Chinese should also learn Muslim value, at least the basic value, otherwise, we can't understand our brother country - Pakistan.

China gov did poor jobs on Info War. The Price is very high. China may improve on this, but will take a long time.

Anglo-Saxon are so good at Info War game, they even wrote book to brag their achievement.

1999: Victory Without War : Richard Nixon

The Info War is vital for China, Pakistan and many other countries, otherwise we are doomed.

I love reading Chinese history. They provide many good moral stories which I tend to reflect on. We have a similar culture in Islam, we value those core set of beliefs as mentioned by Confuscious. Even Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said: "Seek knowledge even if you have to go as far as China, for seeking knowledge is a duty on every Muslim." Today the Muslim world is in disarray like China was for 100 years from the opium war period, but we had a strong heritage of arts, science and literature. In fact, the western doctrine of democracy which comes from Greece was translated from Arabic books, because Hypatia's students and their descendants were seeking refuge in Persia which was then conquered by the Muslims. The Caliphate (King) demanded these books to be translated into Arabic. Hence why we know about Plato, Socrates and Aristotle.

I agree with you. The American's don't know how to win a war, but they are masters in manipulating information to suit their interests. If you study their history, there are countless of examples. Pakistan is very bad in this field, we haven't projected our soft image to the world and dispelled any misconceptions. China also faces a similar problem, I guess we both need more experience. The most important thing is to develop the One Belt policy and develop our region to overtake the Europeans and the Americans. We have the population, resources and history to do it. Instead of allowing the American's to use information warfare on our turf, we should take the battle to their country.

 

[vi-va]

I love reading Chinese history. They provide many good moral stories which I tend to reflect on. We have a similar culture in Islam, we value those core set of beliefs as mentioned by Confuscious. Even Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said: "Seek knowledge even if you have to go as far as China, for seeking knowledge is a duty on every Muslim." Today the Muslim world is in disarray like China was for 100 years from the opium war period, but we had a strong heritage of arts, science and literature. In fact, the western doctrine of democracy which comes from Greece was translated from Arabic books, because Hypatia's students and their descendants were seeking refuge in Persia which was then conquered by the Muslims. The Caliphate (King) demanded these books to be translated into Arabic. Hence why we know about Plato, Socrates and Aristotle.

I agree with you. The American's don't know how to win a war, but they are masters in manipulating information to suit their interests. If you study their history, there are countless of examples. Pakistan is very bad in this field, we haven't projected our soft image to the world and dispelled any misconceptions. China also faces a similar problem, I guess we both need more experience. The most important thing is to develop the One Belt policy and develop our region to overtake the Europeans and the Americans. We have the population, resources and history to do it. Instead of allowing the American's to use information warfare on our turf, we should take the battle to their country.

Yes, Chinese knew how Renaissance recovered Greece knowledge from Arabic books very well.

The concept that ancient Greece is the birthplaces of western civilization has a purpose. I am not questioning ancient Greece influence, I am questioning the concept that western civilization monopolize ancient Greece, so that easterners are easier to be demonized as uncivilized. And concept has power, it can shape the way people think and who we are.

As you can see, by reinforcing WESTERN concept, they can group together so that they can multiply their power, and mitigate their inner divergence.

In the opposite, there is no EASTERN concept. There are Pakistanis, Indians, Chinese, Iranians, Arabian, Russians. Those NATIONALISM reinforce our divergence so that we can NOT group together and multiply our power.

The propaganda praise FREE SPEECH so high, anyone against FREE SPEECH is political incorrectness, political suicidal and evil. FREE SPEECH brought wisdom here and there, but much more bad mouth all over the place. So that different ethnics attack each other within countries and among countries. Similar attacks occurred among different regions, religions, skin colors and languages.

Basically it's HUMAN NATURE.

The divergence and history among us is kind of burden and became weapon utilized by colonialist and neocolonialist. And people never really learn the lesson from history.

Basically it's DIVIDE AND RULE.

Ancient Chinese pursue Ummah, Chinese call it Great Unity(天下大同). The Belt and Road Initiate is base on Great Unity concept. It will take at last 2-3 decades to achieve something significant. Chinese may spend 100+ years on this project if we do see positive progress.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Yes, Chinese knew how Renaissance recovered Greece knowledge from Arabic books very well.

The concept that ancient Greece is the birthplaces of western civilization has a purpose. I am not questioning ancient Greece influence, I am questioning the concept that western civilization monopolize ancient Greece, so that easterners are easier to be demonized as uncivilized. And concept has power, it can shape the way people think and who we are.

As you can see, by reinforcing WESTERN concept, they can group together so that they can multiply their power, and mitigate their inner divergence.

In the opposite, there is no EASTERN concept. There are Pakistanis, Indians, Chinese, Iranians, Arabian, Russians. Those NATIONALISM reinforce our divergence so that we can NOT group together and multiply our power.

The propaganda praise FREE SPEECH so high, anyone against FREE SPEECH is political incorrectness, political suicidal and evil. FREE SPEECH brought wisdom here and there, but much more bad mouth all over the place. So that different ethnics attack each other within countries and among countries. Similar attacks occurred among different regions, religions, skin colors and languages.

Basically it's HUMAN NATURE.

The divergence and history among us is kind of burden and became weapon utilized by colonialist and neocolonialist. And people never really learn the lesson from history.

Basically it's DIVIDE AND RULE.

Ancient Chinese pursue Ummah, Chinese call it Great Unity(天下大同). The Belt and Road Initiate is base on Great Unity concept. It will take at last 2-3 decades to achieve something significant. Chinese may spend 100+ years on this project if we do see positive progress.

*Renaissance didn't recover Greek knowledge from Arabic book... Renaissance WAS created by Arabic Translation and Teaching of Greek Knowledge...
And Renaissance is not only of Greek Influence but of Arabic Philosophical influence... (Like Renaissance main trait of Questioning God existence... come from Muslim and Agnostic thinking of some Arabic savant...)

I don't think many Chinese do know that... I don't believe that the majority of ''alleged'' scholars anywhere in the World knows that...
Actually Most of 15th to 18th philosophers were copying Arabic thinkers... Like Ghazali/Ibn Sina(Avicenna) and Dozens of Others... Fun fact... they even copied some mistranslation meanings... that later where corrected... When those Arabic book got translated correctly...
Today Students DO NOT learn about Prime sources... but from the likes of Kant and such...thinking those guys Created that thinking...

I came across Post grad Students in Philosophy/Literature... who didn't even heard/knew about Arabic philosopher THAT their western ones copied from...
EVen the likes of Freud who didn't spoke about the Father of Psychology... the Muslim Savant... El Razi... Thinking no one will translate his book or find his papers...decades later...

All of Europe exist thanks to Islamic golden Age... Those guys will still be living under a rock... thinking that rubbing salt in a wound will heal it/ get the demon out... or that taking showers will kill you... or the earth is flat...

 

[vi-va]

*Renaissance didn't recover Greek knowledge from Arabic book... Renaissance WAS created by Arabic Translation and Teaching of Greek Knowledge...
And Renaissance is not only of Greek Influence but of Arabic Philosophical influence... (Like Renaissance main trait of Questioning God existence... come from Agnostic thinking of some Arabic savant...)

I don't think many Chinese do know that... I don't believe that the majority of ''alleged'' scholars anywhere in the World knows that...
Actually Most of 15th to 18th philosophers were copying Arabic thinkers... Like Ghazali/Ibn Sina(Avicenna) and Dozens of Others... Fun fact... they even copied some mistranslation meanings... that later where corrected... When those Arabic book got translated correctly...
Today Students DO NOT learn about Prime sources... but from the likes of Kant and such...thinking those guys Created that thinking...

I came across Post grad Students in Philosophy/Literature... who didn't even heard/knew about Arabic philosopher THAT their western ones copied from...
EVen the likes of Freud who didn't spoke about the Father of Psychology... the Muslim Savant... El Razi... Thinking no one will translate his book or find his papers...decades later...

All of Europe exist thanks to Islamic golden Age... Those guys will still be living under a rock... thinking that rubbing salt in a wound will heal it/ get the demon out... or that taking showers will kill you... or the earth is flat...

My bad on misleading expression. Chinese do knew Arabic Translation and Teaching of Greek Knowledge. And you are right, some Chinese(like me and others) knew it also related to Arabic Philosophical influence. I agree majority of Chinese, including westerner don't know that.

Thanks for the media influenced and manipulated by WEST. They did a damn good job.

 

[HannibalBarca]

My bad on misleading expression. Chinese do knew Arabic Translation and Teaching of Greek Knowledge. And you are right, some Chinese(like me and others) knew it also related to Arabic Philosophical influence. I agree majority of Chinese, including westerner don't know that.

Thanks for the media influenced and manipulated by WEST. They did a damn good job.

Every Middle Age Western papers were created with the central belief of the Author creation... No Quote... No Sources cited whatsoever... Nowadays most of 12 years old will do a better job than those guys that the west put in high esteem...

People should read Muslim papers of that time and the side notes... That will put Some Scientist to shame today... Where almost every piece of mind that wasn't from them was added in notes, like some Indus Knowledge... Chinese ones and so on...

It's thanks to that work that we later on... knew where and from who some X or Y knowledge was from...

 

[vi-va]

Every Middle Age Western papers were created with the central belief of the Author creation... No Quote... No Sources cited whatsoever... Nowadays most of 12 years old will do a better job than those guys that the west put in high esteem...

People should read Muslim papers of that time and the side notes... That will put Some Scientist to shame today... Where almost every piece of mind that wasn't from them was added in notes, like some Indus Knowledge... Chinese ones and so on...

It's thanks to that work that we later on... knew where and from who some X or Y knowledge was from...

Thanks. I read quite a few your comments in past months, learnt more history which can't easily be found in books nowadays.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Thanks. I read quite a few your comments in past months, learnt more history which can't easily be found in books nowadays.

I agree, it's a difficult task to learn when The Scholar corpus already formatted the main ''Storyline''
But the best way is reiterate how some do nowadays (mostly at the Phd level) or how previous scholars did... Reading in the original Language.

It's the the only way. and it's not an easy task.

The Arabic ''World'' Didn't do a great job either... by keeping them hidden... and not giving them a proper translation... they are at fault... mainly them.
Many Arabic Gems from the greatest of Savant... aren't translated... never translated...

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Many Chinese members have complained that Pakistani newspapers have attacked China, but what they don't take into consideration is those newspapers have attacked the Pakistani military. Why have they done this? Because the American's have invested $200 million across media houses to speak their narrative. China must do the same. It must employ the right people in media communications.

Pakistan’s English media has been bought by US, India, and Israelis.

Very few people in Pakistan take English media seriously, except the traitor pseudo-liberal self-loathing Pakistanis who make a business of attacking our government and military.

No ally and friend of Pakistan is spared from these goons, let alone our strongest and most loyal friend, China.

Please disregard Geo, Express Tribune, Dawn, Jang, The News PK, and our terrible media pundits who speak nothing but nonsense in their talk shows.

To give you an example, look how many of our media personalities lobbied for recognition of Israel and even making shows daily about it, all while they were massacring our brothers and sisters in Gaza. Shame on them.

IK had to come out strongly and say recognition of Israel is unacceptable and not even being considered.

That's China CCP weakness. They care only about Karl Marx and Mao jargon, but forget to learn psychology.

Chairman Mao was a great personality who did much great for China and its people, and he is rightly admired by them.

We could learn much from China’s rise and emulate their development and industrialization.

 

[Itachi]

Please make an appointment with a history teacher. Locking up Jews was a logistical nightmare hence why they came up with the extermination plan in 1942. Honestly, the schools in America must be crap. The same analogy can be used in this case. China can't house 20% of the population inside camps unless they are prepared to kill them on a mass scale as the Nazi's did to the Jews. This isn't rocket science its common sense. Furthermore, such widespread massacres if true would have led to an uprising in Xinjiang like the Jews did in the Warsaw Ghetto uprising in 1943. Even the Israeli's who have oppressed the Palestinians couldn't have stopped an uprising like the Intifada.

lol the Muslims population in China isn't "20% of their population"....they have so far only detained 1 million Uyghurs...

As for my education, it's definitely better than all the ratta taught in Pakistan.

You want me to respect the opinion of an organization whose leader Rabiya Kadeer was funding and supporting the East Turkistan movement?

I don't know about this leader you're talking about but I'll search on it. As for the East Turkestan movement then it's a legitimate movement, just like the Kashmiri and the Palestinian movements. If you deny the right of Uyghurs you're denying the right of other Muslims that want independence too.

The Chinese have been migrating to Xinjiang in large numbers since 1954 when Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps was set up in the region. Xinjiang belongs to China, so every citizen has a right to move into the region. Can someone from Washington migrate to New York? If so, then why the double standards for China. When Deng Xiaoping made those economic zones in the coastal regions, millions of Chinese migrated to those regions from all over the country. You don't hear the locals complaining. This migration is so large that in the holiday season of Chinese New Year 600 million people travel back to their homes.

The British stole land from the Native American's while Xinjiang belongs to China since the Qing dynasty.

Nope, Xinjiang doesn't belong to China, just like North America, it was recently conquered, this time by the Chinese and not the British and later Americans.

Uyghurs are native to the region while the Han Chinese aren't. Simple as that.

As you can see, China proper is half and even less than current China.

Do educate yourself first before telling others what is and what isn't.

You know nothing.you live in america.you have no idea.china Pakistan relations are strong.you know nothing about religion.

Another troll lol...whether I live in American, India, Antarctica or the Mars does it matter??

I know more about Pakistan than people living inside of it. Just like you. Now go troll somewhere else troll.

Actually he is both a patriotic Pakistani and orthodox religious Muslim.

We may disagree about this issue with China with him, but please don’t assume the worst about our compatriot.

Typical Pakistani and Desi attitude, disagree with them and they will try to hang you from the ceiling...

I watched the video. They show no evidence. Why are you so desperate to believe West/Jew lies?

Right...."no evidence"...lol...."Everything is a Western/Jew lie"...."I'm a CIA paid stooge too"....I guess against China all your eyes and ears are closed.

Chairman Mao was a great personality who did much great for China and its people, and he is rightly admired by them.

We could learn much from China’s rise and emulate their development and industrialization.

Dude.....Mao literally killed millions of his own people to get his country off from the ground.....not something we should emulate lol.