ALL Xinjiang related issues e.g. uyghur people, development, videos etc, In here please.

[Numerous]

I get what you are saying but that completely different from what I'm saying.

I see. What are you saying bro? Sorry if I've misunderstood.

 

[maximuswarrior]

I've read a news story about how china goes after uighurs in egypt way before (maybe a year before) I read this dawn article bro.

I do not like dawn. In fact, I think they should be censored and shut down. But just because it is dawn, it doesn't mean what they've said is false.

It is a possibility. I have met some political Uyghur refugees here in The Netherlands. They don't speak fondly of China, but when I ask them the critical questions they are reluctant to answer. Many are inspired by Western propaganda against China. In fact I would not be surprised if they were imported as mouthpieces.

I am not going to defend any wrongdoing by China. However, I am not going to believe Western propaganda against China. It is too obvious that the West is playing a dirty game of maligning China for political reasons.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

I see. What are you saying bro? Sorry if I've misunderstood.

That its very convenient for countries like Pakistan to take the blame for everything. First for being "different" and then not helping them get out of their own sh$t. For example look at the Kashmiris, they sidelined Pakistan and now when they are neck deep in their own sh$t, they suddenly all became Pakistanis.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

It is a possibility. I have met some political Uyghur refugees here in The Netherlands. They don't speak fondly of China, but when I ask them the critical questions they are reluctant to answer. Many are inspired by Western propaganda against China. In fact I would not be surprised if they were imported as mouthpieces.

I am not going to defend any wrongdoing by China. However, I am not going to believe Western propaganda against China. It is too obvious that the West is playing a dirty game of maligning China for political reasons.

Spoke to a refugee here from Pakistan. Guess where he was running from? Kashmir, Pakistan. He gave pakistan a bad name and I cursed him for that.

 

[Numerous]

That its very convenient for countries like Pakistan to take the blame for everything. First for being "different" and then not helping them get out of their own sh$t. For example look at the Kashmiris, they sidelined Pakistan and now when they are neck deep in their own sh$t, they suddenly all became Pakistanis.

Oh I get you. Yeh I wouldn't take the blame for others faults.

It is a possibility. I have met some political Uyghur refugees here in The Netherlands. They don't speak fondly of China, but when I ask them the critical questions they are reluctant to answer. Many are inspired by Western propaganda against China. In fact I would not be surprised if they were imported as mouthpieces.

I am not going to defend any wrongdoing by China. However, I am not going to believe Western propaganda against China. It is too obvious that the West is playing a dirty game of maligning China for political reasons.

Yeh the west has it's own agenda. The only reason I believe it because I have seen Muslims report it and questioned an uighur in real life before too like you did. And China changes their story too much too and plays the old "muslims are extremists/terrorists and that's what we're dealing with" card, so it makes them suspect too.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

‘Nightmare’ as Egypt aids China detain Uighurs

AFP

August 19, 2019


CAIRO: A restaurant where Uighur students used to eat their traditional cuisine in the Egyptian capital’s Nasr City area.

CAIRO: Abdulmalik Abdulaziz, an Uighur student, was arrested and handcuffed by Egyptian police and when they removed his blindfold he was surprised to see Chinese officials questioning him in custody.

He was picked up in broad daylight with friends, and taken to a Cairo police station where Chinese officials grilled him about what he was doing in Egypt.

The three officials spoke to him in Chinese, addressing him using his Chinese name not his Uighur one.

“They never said their names or mentioned who they were exactly,” said Abdulaziz, 27, who spoke this news agency helping to uncover new details of the 2017 arrests of over 90 Uighurs from the mostly Muslim Turkic minority.

Abdulaziz, like most swept up in the three-day crackdown in the first week of July 2017, was an Islamic theology student at Al-Azhar, the Sunni Muslim world’s most prestigious educational institution.

“Egyptian policemen said ‘the Chinese government says that you are terrorists’. But we responded that we are only Al-Azhar students,” said Abdulaziz.

China is one of Egypt’s biggest investors, pouring money into massive infrastructure projects such as the construction of a new administrative capital east of Cairo. Trade between the two countries reached a record high of $13.8 billion last year.

Just three weeks before the raid, Egypt and China signed a security memorandum focusing on “combatting terrorism”.

After a few days of questioning in Police Station 2 in Nasr City, an upmarket suburb of Cairo, Abdulaziz was sent to Tora, one of Egypt’s most notorious jails.

Released after 60 days in detention, he escaped, seeking asylum in Turkey, a hub of Uighur immigration, in October 2017.

‘Same tactics’ -

Shams Eddin Ahmed, 26, was arrested outside the Moussa Ibn Naseer mosque on 4 July, 2017 in Nasr City.

His father in Xinjiang, a region in northwest China, also disappeared that month.

Many Uighurs refer to Xinjiang as East Turkestan, including those interviewed, but for Beijing it has troubling connotations of independence and activism. “I still don’t know if he’s dead or alive,” he recounted.

Unmarked black vans pulled up as afternoon prayers ended and around five policemen arrested several Uighur worshippers.

Ahmed was also transferred to Tora, the stifling complex which houses many of Egypt’s high-profile political prisoners.

“I felt so afraid when I got there. It was extremely dark... I thought to myself how will we ever get out of here?” he said.

“I was afraid that they would hand us over to the Chinese authorities,” added Ahmed.

The Uighurs were split into two groups of 45 to 50 men each and languished in large cells for weeks.

Two weeks before their release, the Uighurs and other Chinese Muslims of different ethnic ancestry, were divided into three groups, and given colour codes.

Red, green or yellow determined if they would be deported, released or further questioned.

Ahmed said Egyptian prison guards handcuffed, blindfolded and then hauled many of the group into vans heading to Cairo police stations.

During 11 days in police custody, he claims three Chinese officials questioned him specifically about his father.

“Where is he and how does he send you money?” he said.

Ahmed was in the green group, meaning he was eventually released. He fled to Istanbul in early October 2017.

Abdulweli Ayup, a Norway-based Uighur linguist who has researched the community in Egypt, confirmed hearing similar accounts from other detainees.

“It’s the same practice and tactic implemented in internment camps in China. I don’t believe it’s a coincidence,” he said, adding Chinese authorities use the same three colour codes for detained Uighurs.

‘Muslim brothers’ -

Human rights groups say more than one million Uighurs and other mostly Muslim minorities are held in a network of internment camps in China where they endure political indoctrination.

Beijing says the “vocational education centres” are necessary to counter religious extremism.

Germany-based independent researcher Adrian Zenz, who has mapped out camps in Xinjiang, said: “China’s new push to redefine human rights in terms of economic development... suits many of these nations.” “A country giving the Chinese significant leeway can in return expect significant favours,” he added, referring to the Egyptian-Chinese security cooperation.

Egypt’s interior ministry and the Chinese embassy in Cairo did not respond to repeated requests for comment.

“Those found to be overstaying contrary to the law, including Chinese citizens among other nationalities, are expelled”, said Ahmed Hafez, Egypt’s foreign ministry spokesman, when asked about the deportation of Uighurs in 2017. He did not answer questions on the 60-day detention of the group that had been picked up by police.

Darren Byler, an anthropologist at Washington University, noted “similar attempts by Chinese officials in Thailand and elsewhere” to extradite diaspora Uighurs.

“The autonomy with which Chinese authorities were permitted to act in Egypt is unprecedented,” he said.

Ayup, the linguist, explains the devastating effect of the 2017 raids that reduced a thriving community of around 6,000 people to about 50 families.

“For Uighurs it’s a nightmare that your Muslim brother would invite Chinese officials to interrogate you. They have lost their belief and have become paranoid in the diaspora,” he said.

Abdulaziz considers himself fortunate, but the fate of other Uighurs expelled by Egypt preys on his mind.

“It has been years since we heard anything about those deported and our families. We just don’t know.”

https://www.dawn.com/news/1500386/nightmare-as-egypt-aids-china-detain-uighurs#comment

@beijingwalker

 

[Sabretooth]

You know, I read an article where the Chinese were attempting to demolish a hui Muslim mosque and you know what the hui Muslim who was being interviewed said? He said something along the lines of "we are not extremists like the Uighurs, why are they coming after us?".

Likewise, some Muslims on here think that Russia/Iran/Assad are fighting extremists in Syria and so they give their support against their fellow Muslims. And this list sort of goes on and on.

I get pretty angry when some Pakistanis on here say the same things about British Muslims. They call British Muslims extremists etc... But you know what bro? Let these people say these things. That sins on them. But we shouldn't forget our duty as Muslims. And even then, we shouldn't hold a whole ethnic group responsible for the words of some of their members. If one of these Muslim guys, on this forum, who constantly badmouth my British Muslim community as extremists, were locked up or oppressed by some kuffar nation, I would still be willing to fight for their freedom.

You actually gave good examples of the root cause of our problems. These days we Muslims don't spare a second declaring each other kafir and extremist. Everybody thinks they have a better understanding of Islam and are better Muslims than the rest.

 

[Numerous]

You actually gave good examples of the root cause of our problems. These days we Muslims don't spare a second declaring each other kafir and extremist. Everybody thinks they have a better understanding of Islam and are better Muslims than the rest.

Pretty much.

People too open to stabbing each other in back just for some brownie points (not talking about anyone on this thread). It happens amongsts the UK muslim community too, seen members of one sect call another extremists

 

[beijingwalker]

When Pakistan and Kashmir is in trouble, how many of those "Muslim Brothers" came to help? It's just a catchy slogan being used by those who have ulterior motives, all countries look after their own interest first, Muslims or non Muslims, it's not wise for Muslim countries to fight every non Muslim country and Muslim countries themselves, fortunately most Muslim countries are smart enough to know this and that's why almost all Muslim countries are China's friends and many of them came forward to defend China against western smearing campaign against China over Xinjiang.

 

[Dai Toruko]

More and more Uighurs are using TikTok to raise awareness about missing family members, who they say are detained in Chinese internment camps in East Turkistan.

 

[vi-va]

More and more Uighurs are using TikTok to raise awareness about missing family members, who they say are detained in Chinese internment camps in East Turkistan.

Frankly speaking, I watched so many TRT video on youtube, and news report. Really misleading, questionable credibility.

I understand some people still hold The Ottoman Empire dream. But Xinjiang has nothing to do with your fantasies.

1916: The Great Powers Secretly Agree to Dismember the Ottoman Empire and the Arab World

 

[Hexciter]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1164423488528179200

 

[vi-va]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1164423488528179200

they ate free to practice any religion as long as not breaking the law, especially terrorism, extremism, and separatism. such as ETIM funded by cia

 

[barjo]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1164423488528179200

Not all religion (must) have a God the old way that some said as kafir (they force and brand it) believe in nature balance. Some should honour what they believe include materialism idea, there are also salvation in any kind of teaching of peace and harmony

 

[Hexciter]

Uighurs Use Videos to Draw Attention to Missing Family Members

Haunting images on TikTok’s domestic Chinese affiliate appear to challenge Beijing’s assurances about mass-internment campaign

By Eva Dou and Philip Wen; Aug. 22, 2019

BEIJING—TikTok has become one of China’s most globally successful mobile apps by embracing silly, comedic short video clips.

Now, Uighur Muslims from China’s northwestern Xinjiang region are using a domestic version of the app to post haunting videos that appear to memorialize missing family members and draw attention to Beijing’s mass-internment campaign.

In recent days, China’s Uighurs have posted dozens of videos that show them crying silently in front of family portraits. Such public expressions of grief have been rare in Xinjiang, where heavy censorship has prevented little aside from official propaganda from trickling out.

Posted on Douyin, the domestic Chinese version of TikTok, the videos’ ambiguity appears to have helped them slip past censors at first, but many have since been deleted. There is no indication of what happened to the people pictured in the family portraits.

The parent company of Douyin and TikTok, Beijing-based Bytedance Inc., didn’t respond to a request for comment. Bytedance is now one of the world’s most valuable startups, with an estimated $75 billion valuation.

Many of the accounts that had uploaded the videos listed Xinjiang as their location, including from the prefectures of Kashgar, Aksu and Kizilsu. While some of the accounts remained active on Wednesday, the vast majority had been deleted or disabled by Thursday. Of the accounts that remained active, other videos of their daily lives remain, but the videos with the pictures of family members in the background are no longer there.

Like other social-media platforms operating in China, Douyin is required by law to delete any content that expresses political dissent. Online users have become skilled at developing new methods to circumvent censorship—employing puns, symbols and, in this case, silent clips on social-media apps. Even so, censors are usually close behind.

China’s web regulators have closely policed popular social-media platforms like Weibo and WeChat. One of Bytedance’s popular news accounts was briefly shut down by authorities last year for vulgar content.

To accommodate the different audiences, Bytedance operates Douyin and TikTok separately. Unlike the heavily censored Douyin, users of the global app TikTok aren’t subject to Chinese censorship, though TikTok has come under attack in various countries for allowing sexually suggestive clips and videos promoting suicide to circulate widely.

The tearful videos challenge Beijing’s claims about Xinjiang. Western scholars estimate more than 1 million Turkic Uighurs and other Muslim minorities have been arbitrarily detained in Xinjiang in the past few years. Xinjiang officials say they aren’t kept in detention camps but in vocational schools, which rehabilitate extremists and petty criminals, and that students attend voluntarily.

Authorities said in July that a majority of those in the centers had returned home—a claim that hasn’t been independently verified. Shohrat Zakir, Xinjiang’s governor and No. 2 official, said at the time that more than 90% of those released had found jobs that they like, but he provided no evidence. Abduweli Ayup, a Norway-based linguist originally from Xinjiang, said the videos appear to be an effort by some Uighurs to refute the claims.

“I think this is the answer from the people,” said Mr. Ayup. “They say, ‘If they are 90%, then where are my brothers and sisters and relatives?’”

Much about conditions in Xinjiang remains unknown due to an official clampdown on information and restrictions on travel to the region. While some overseas Uighurs say family members have been released this year, others can’t confirm whether loved ones are alive or dead.

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said Thursday that he hadn’t seen the Douyin videos but added that China sought to meet any reasonable demands from Chinese people living overseas. Xinjiang’s government didn’t immediately reply to a faxed request for comment.

Arslan Hidayat, a Uighur-Australian activist based in Turkey, is among a number of activists who have broadened the reach of the videos by sharing dozens on Facebook and Twitter. He said the silence in the videos and circumspect responses to questions in the comments sections reinforced the likelihood that those loved ones weren’t free.

“One posts, ‘When are we going to see our brothers?’ and another says, ‘Oh, stay strong, they’ll come out soon,’ ” Mr. Hidayat said.

In recent months, Beijing has intensified efforts to counter Western condemnation of the Xinjiang detentions, which U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has called “the stain of the century.” Beijing rallied 37 allies in July to sign a letter in support of China’s Xinjiang policies after the U.K., Japan and 20 other countries signed one calling on Beijing to end its repressive policies on Uighurs.

Halmurat Harri Uyghur, a Finland-based activist, said Xinjiang residents would have known they were risking government punishment by posting the videos to Douyin.

“If they are in the Uighur region, they are risking their lives to give testimonies,” he said.

Vanessa Frangville, a Chinese studies professor at Belgium’s Université Libre de Bruxelles, said the silent crying of the videos reflected the tightness of restrictions on Uighurs to prevent them from speaking freely about conditions in the region.

“They use body, eye or finger language that is still to be decoded,” she said.

—Shan Li contributed to this article.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/uighur...33?redirect=amp#click=https://t.co/yyQyFRkQO6