ALL Xinjiang related issues e.g. uyghur people, development, videos etc, In here please.

[ZeEa5KPul]

Listen PDF is barley anything close to Pakistani public opinion or Pakistani policy circles this is just a diaspora or fourm circle jerk place for tween wannabe politicians from all over the plave 99 percent of the incels here bark and dont do shit i am myself tbh bark at times but whats worth when none of us here have any influence on politics of pur respective countries

For real. My opinion is about as reflective of Canadian foreign policy and public opinion as Pakistani PDFers are of Pakistan.

 

[Yankee-stani]

For real. My opinion is about as reflective of Canadian foreign policy and public opinion as Pakistani PDFers are of Pakistan.

At least you understand many of the Chinese or Pakistani members here dont understand that

 

[Nilgiri]

Clown Sarkozy did some dirty tricks to disrupt the Olympic torch relay which made a lot of people angry...
But your so-called "democratic free society" is still a joke...lol...

Just showing plenty of brainwashing to go around for everyone lol.

One can only imagine what some of your schools teach about Japanese (there are articles about the hate indoctrination reserved for Japanese in Chinese schools anyone can look for)...and maybe about uighur "issue" as well.

It is just amusing you drag India into here to try deflect Pakistanis away from criticizing you over Uighurs. You really think thats going to work?

The uighur issue is entrenched in the narrative now increasingly about China here (along with chinese marriage scams in Pakistan etc)...and that is something you will just have to grapple with head on. Pointing to big baddie India simply isn't going to work anymore....in fact it will just highlight you have no effective answer for the criticism coming China's way here.

 

[Rasengan]

You are forgetting one point the ETIM is listed as terror group by Islamabad and also thru have targeted our cities and army posts the PNS Mehran incident in 2011 was perparuated by ETIM in Waziristan and in tribal parts of the KPK region these scums were harming civilians and army personnel dont share crap from the tabloid Indian Press @Rasengan

He needs to get his facts correct. The Chinese are in no position to complain. Uighur's are Chinese citizens and they are responsible for killing Pakistani's. This responsibility falls upon the Chinese Govt to get their house in order, luckily we cleaned up their mess and killed these terrorists. But we have never embarrassed China on this issue even though the shitstorm happening in Xinjiang had spilled over to Pakistan. What many Chinese members don't understand is that after operation strike hard campaign in 1996 in Xinjiang the ETIM had an audience with the Taliban in Afghanistan after they took power. They were on the verge to convince the Taliban to call a Jihad on the Chinese. It was the Pakistani Intelligence service that put a stop to this plan otherwise Xinjiang would be full of chaos. This notion of brotherhood doesn't exist just because of words....Pakistan has done many things for China and vice versa.

I know Pakistan may have some trouble to tame its rebels and terrorists in the north tribal regions, every year there are several attacks targetting Chinese and some Chinese died from those attacks, both Chinese government and Chinese posters here never blamed Pakistan for failing to protect Chinese citizens cause we know you already tried very hard, much more Pakistanis got killed from terrorists attacks than Chinese. We only hail the heros who tried to protect our people. and we also hope Pakistani government and people don't sensationalize Xinjiang issues and understand we are just trying to maintian Xinjiang's safety and stability, safegurarding the currently fast development and growth of this region.

I have said it many times this forum doesn't reflect the opinion of the ordinary Pakistani. Most individuals are liberal rather than conservative. Why do you think the Chinese are targeted? It's obvious because the CIA and other intelligence services want to harm China's strategic interests. How do we know this? India's biggest spymaster in Pakistan was captured in 2016 Kulbhushan Sudhir Jadhav. He did a number of operation that attacked Chinese companies in the region.

The BLA is operating from Afghanistan and their handlers are supplying them weapons. Why aren't the Chinese killed in KPK, Punjab or Sindh? The reason is simple, Balochistan will be the heart of CPEC and the best way to cripple this project is to cause chaos. It's the same advice I give to my fellow Pakistani's. Xinjiang must be secure from terrorism otherwise the whole idea of CPEC will be ruined. I have told you before brother China's PR campaign is the issue. They need to do a much better job. If the American's are throwing $200 million to media house this is because they want a narrative which suits their interests. Hong Kong is a great example, look at how many newsagencies are speaking against China. We have the same problem. Things will only change once we have a Presidential system in place.

 

[Rasengan]

Global Chinese donate for the officers killed protecting Chinese consulate in Pakistan

Pakistan is a friendly country, but recently many Chinese poster are banned on PDF, some Pakistani China bashers used terms like dirty Chinks, Chinese pig... but they never got punished, I don't think Chinese posters would ever attack Pakistan if not terribly provoked, so I suggest the Mod can hand out punishment fairly, I know the Mod is against China over Xinjiang, but as a Mod , they represent the whole PDF community.

I find those words disgusting. I wouldn't even use them on an enemy. Islam teaches us manners, and I hope brother you don't have a bad feeling toward Pakistan. Bigoted people must be banned. Chinese people are also Muslim as the Hui along with the Uighurs are citizens of China. Therefore, when someone calls a Chinese a pig then they are insulting some of their Muslim brothers. This is unacceptable.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Actually many if not most ETIM terrorists are trained and operating in Pakistan

I think you mean Afghanistan.

North Waziristan was taken over by TTP, which was supported by a few Uzbek and Uyghur terrorists (maybe ETIM.)

TTP is an agent of US, India, and Kabul puppet regime, which resists Taliban in Afghanistan and formed an alliance with Daesh. It it trying to overthrow Pakistan’s government.

Pakistani military dislodged then from North Wazirstan, Banu, Swat, Upper Dir, and surrounding areas several years back.

Global Chinese donate for the officers killed protecting Chinese consulate in Pakistan

Pakistan is a friendly country, but recently many Chinese poster are banned on PDF, some Pakistani China bashers used terms like dirty Chinks, Chinese pig... but they never got punished, I don't think Chinese posters would ever attack Pakistan if not terribly provoked, so I suggest the Mod can hand out punishment fairly, I know the Mod is against China over Xinjiang, but as a Mod , they represent the whole PDF community.

Many Indian, Turk, Arab, and Pakistani members have been banned for overstepping the line.

Moderation has had to get tough to deal with the increased trolling and personal attacks.

Chinese members who got banned 100% deserve it.

We need to be fair, if we only ban Turks and let Chinese go free for abuse. This is not just.

Well you can ask @Indus Pakistan how he feels about this specfic mod and to fair all the members be it the Turks or Chinese feel they been banned for no reason so dont pin it on just cause you are Chinese

Moderation needs to be more strict. Members need to understand that these back and forth insults between countries is not healthy for this forum.

Keep the discussion informative and without personal insults.

Bigoted people must be banned

Islamophobia from certain Chinese members should not be tolerated on a Pakistani forum.

It also makes China and Chinese look bad and feeds into a negative perception of China.

 

[Rasengan]

Islamophobia from certain Chinese members should not be tolerated on a Pakistani forum.

It also makes China and Chinese look bad and feeds into a negative perception of China.

I agree. Chinese members are representing their country on this forum, thus they must educate Pakistani's on the issue of Xinjiang rather than attacking Islam. They are insulting their fellow countrymen. After all the Hui and the Uighur are Muslims and they are Chinese. Chinese = 56 ethnic groups just not Han. When they insult Muslims they are attacking all Muslim countries and I know China wants a good relationship with the Muslim world. Thank God, the CPC is more level headed than the armchair politicians. CPC is the boss so they should follow the example and wishes of their boss. Pakistan's and China's interests are aligned.

 

[Brainsucker]

Global Chinese donate for the officers killed protecting Chinese consulate in Pakistan

Pakistan is a friendly country, but recently many Chinese poster are banned on PDF, some Pakistani China bashers used terms like dirty Chinks, Chinese pig... but they never got punished, I don't think Chinese posters would ever attack Pakistan if not terribly provoked, so I suggest the Mod can hand out punishment fairly, I know the Mod is against China over Xinjiang, but as a Mod , they represent the whole PDF community.

Oh, don't forget the word "Commie". Previously only American and Western Countries use this insult to China. I never see Indian posters use this words either (well, as long as I know) But recently there are some members with Pakistani and other Islamic Countries banners use this words to attack China members here. I think this is also can be considered as insult.

This is why I wonder, are they really Pakistani? or False Flagger? Because It is unusual for people from Islamic Worlds nor Pakistani posters use this word. If it's true that it come from Pakistani members, then the question is, so why they even bother to ally with a Communist country then? If they can't respect China and use the western insult to their ally. And this is the reason why I posted about the fundamentally different value of Pakistan and China before.

Many Indian, Turk, Arab, and Pakistani members have been banned for overstepping the line.

Moderation has had to get tough to deal with the increased trolling and personal attacks.

Chinese members who got banned 100% deserve it.

We need to be fair, if we only ban Turks and let Chinese go free for abuse. This is not just.
.

Yeah, there are many Chinese Drunker Masters in here. So they have to be given a time to be sobered first, before posting in the forum

 

[Rasengan]

Oh, don't forget Commie. Previously only American and Western Countries use this insult to China. But recently there are members with Pakistani and other Islamic Countries banners use this words to attack China members here. I think this is also can be considered as insult.

Of course, this should also be regarded as an insult. But there's a famous saying by Mark Twain. "Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.” Like the old Chinese proverb says "People with no brain have no cure." When someone insults you they show no class. This is not the Muslim way. I have always defended China on this forum along with a bunch of other Pakistani's. We have argued and fought those Pakistani's who have wrongly attacked China. I want Chinese members to think about this. We aren't paid to defend China, so why do we do it? The answer is simple we like Chinese people. But when Chinese members fall into the trap of these fools (Pakistani's) and attack Pakistan and Muslim's then they are embarrassing China and its Govt. Chinese people throughout history have used logic and reasoning in a debate, so when some members use insults then they are not practising their own culture.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Oh, don't forget the word "Commie". Previously only American and Western Countries use this insult to China. I never see Indian posters use this words either (well, as long as I know) But recently there are some members with Pakistani and other Islamic Countries banners use this words to attack China members here. I think this is also can be considered as insult.

This is why I wonder, are they really Pakistani? or False Flagger? Because It is unusual for people from Islamic Worlds nor Pakistani posters use this word. If it's true that it come from Pakistani members, then the question is, so why they even bother to ally with a Communist country then? If they can't respect China and use the western insult to their ally. And this is the reason why I posted about the fundamentally different value of Pakistan and China before.



Yeah, there are many Chinese Drunker Masters in here. So they have to be given a time to be sobered first, before posting in the forum

Pakistan is a large country (200m) with various different points of view. Being pro- or anti-China’s is no guarantee of Pakistani-ness.

For us, Pakistan and Islam are always first. Then after this come other countries like China, Turkey, KSA,etc.

Please don’t be so offended. We have many divergent points of view in our country, however I agree insulting Chinese people with racial stereotypes is not acceptable.

I agree. Chinese members are representing their country on this forum, thus they must educate Pakistani's on the issue of Xinjiang rather than attacking Islam. They are insulting their fellow countrymen. After all the Hui and the Uighur are Muslims and they are Chinese. Chinese = 56 ethnic groups just not Han. When they insult Muslims they are attacking all Muslim countries and I know China wants a good relationship with the Muslim world. Thank God, the CPC is more level headed than the armchair politicians. CPC is the boss so they should follow the example and wishes of their boss. Pakistan's and China's interests are aligned.

You and I agree 100% on this issue.

Regardless of all issues, China is our loyal and trustworthy friend/ally and should be accorded full respect, which they also give to us.

There are some issues which we may disagree on, but I think that all countries who want peace and security in Eurasia will be on the same page.

There is one notable superpower and its regional slave, however, which don’t want peace in the world. It is trying to sabotage it, but it will fail.

 

[Rasengan]

Pakistan is a large country (200m) with various different points of view. Being pro- or anti-China’s is no guarantee of Pakistani-ness.

For us, Pakistan and Islam are always first. Then after this come other countries like China, Turkey, KSA,etc.

Please don’t be so offended. We have many divergent points of view in our country, however I agree insulting Chinese people with racial stereotypes is not acceptable.



You and I agree 100% on this issue.

Regardless of all issues, China is our loyal and trustworthy friend/ally and should be accorded full respect, which they also give to us.

There are some issues which we may disagree on, but I think that all countries who want peace and security in Eurasia will be on the same page.

There is one notable superpower and its regional slave, however, which don’t want peace in the world. It is trying to sabotage it, but it will fail.

Excellent post brother

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Yeah, there are many Chinese Drunker Masters in here. So they have to be given a time to be sobered first, before posting in the forum

Poster @Feng Leng does not act like most Chinese posters, he always turns every thread into Islam-bashing.

This is unusual for Chinese, as I have seen most have no personal hate for Islam or Muslim countries.

I have found Chinese members mostly neutral or understanding about issues faced by Islamic countries or the Islamic faith.

 

[Brainsucker]

Nah. I think @Feng Leng is a Chinese Posters. He uses "Feng". You know, Feng is the Chinese word of crazy. You should see his avatar. Hu Jun, a famous Chinese actor. He often get antagonist role in his shows.

At first, I felt uneasy about him too. But after I realized his avatar and his name, I just see him as a funny troll.

But, in serious way, I think he is a hardcore Communist.

If the Islamic Worlds have religion extremists like ISIS and others, China has the communist hardcores, or red guard. They worship Mao and Xi. Hate Hu Jingtao and Deng Xiaoping. I call them Red Guard, and one of them call me Deng Minion; LOL. Although I'm not a PRC Citizen.

Poster @Feng Leng does not act like most Chinese posters, he always turns every thread into Islam-bashing.

This is unusual for Chinese, as I have seen most have no personal hate for Islam or Muslim countries.

I have found Chinese members mostly neutral or understanding about issues faced by Islamic countries or the Islamic faith.

Their negative opinion was started with Knife Attack terrorism from some years ago. You know, Uyghur Terrorists who attack people with knife in a busy place. They killed and hurt many people because of the China overcrowded urban area. If my memory serve right, the victims can count to 50 - 100 people (dead and wounded) in each attack. (based on the news that I read some years ago).

And because Islam has a stigma of terrorism and extremist, thanks to Western Medias, They eat those propaganda and start to see Islam in negative light, specially the Extremists.

 

[Kai Liu]

Just showing plenty of brainwashing to go around for everyone lol.

One can only imagine what some of your schools teach about Japanese (there are articles about the hate indoctrination reserved for Japanese in Chinese schools anyone can look for)...and maybe about uighur "issue" as well.

It is just amusing you drag India into here to try deflect Pakistanis away from criticizing you over Uighurs. You really think thats going to work?

The uighur issue is entrenched in the narrative now increasingly about China here (along with chinese marriage scams in Pakistan etc)...and that is something you will just have to grapple with head on. Pointing to big baddie India simply isn't going to work anymore....in fact it will just highlight you have no effective answer for the criticism coming China's way here.

I really don't have to drag india into here to deflect Pakistanis away... These sort of argument between Pakistanis and Chinese here is not significant or minimal as compared to the hatred between indians and Pakistanis...
And I firmly believe as we continue to develop our country and when people's lives are on par with the West, then separatism will have no role, and the religion thing will be solved naturally... We are heading toward this direction, see my post here:
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/seei...-cities-towns-and-villages-like.524372/page-2

And at this moment, we will let the West media bark...

 

[siegecrossbow]

Nah. I think @Feng Leng is a Chinese Posters. He uses "Feng". You know, Feng is the Chinese word of crazy. You should see his avatar. Hu Jun, a famous Chinese actor. He often get antagonist role in his shows.

Actually, Leng Feng is the name of the character played by Wu Jing in the Wolf Warriors series. His avatar is Leng Feng from Wolf Warrior II.