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The American criminal justice system holds almost 2.3 million people in 1,833 state prisons, 110 federal prisons, 1,772 juvenile correctional facilities, 3,134 local jails, 218 immigration detention facilities, and 80 Indian Country jails as well as in military prisons, civil commitment centers, state psychiatric hospitals, and prisons in the U.S. territories.


https://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/pie2020.html

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_United_States_state_prisons


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My mother want to visit Xin Jiang, he visited Beijing November last year. She will likely visit it with my sister inshaAllah.

Talking about Uigyur, Indonesian foreign minister is quite active asking about Uigyur to Chinese ambassador and also Chinese foreign minister.
Indonesia Won’t Intervene in China’s Affairs over Uyghurs, Presidential Chief of Staff Says
Arie Firdaus
Jakarta
2019-12-23
https://theunionjournal.com/indones...ver-uyghurs-presidential-chief-of-staff-says/
 
Isnt ot how the world work
Nations that claim to be defenders of the faith offer no protest to the concentration camps

Sat 4 Jul 2020 19.00 BSTLast modified on Sat 4 Jul 2020 20.20 BST


One of China’s ‘re-education’ centres in Dabancheng, Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region. Photograph: Thomas Peter/Reuters
When China imposed trade sanctions on Norway in 2010 for honouring the imprisoned dissident Liu Xiaobo with the Nobel peace prize, it spat out a word we weren’t used to hearing from propagandists for an atheist communist regime, but should get used to today. “It’s a blasphemy,” a party mouthpiece said.

Once, blasphemy was damning the faithful’s gods and sacred books. Now, criticism of the world’s largest dictatorship has become sacrilegious. You shouldn’t be surprised. As some of us tried to say in the 1990s and 2000s, the gap between the sacred and the profane was never as wide as religious sentimentalists and liberal multiculturalists believed.

They went along with the argument that it was bad taste at best and racism at worst to offend believers. You were “punching down” at largely poor and largely Muslim communities. We thought they were being wilfully blind. They did not understand how men with real power and malice were manipulating religious outrage to consolidate their rule over their wretched population. Iran issued a death sentence on Salman Rushdie in 1989 for satirising Islam’s foundation myths in The Satanic Verses. Its theocratic dictator, Ayatollah Khomeini, was augmenting his powers by claiming to speak for the Muslim world, as well as taking aim at novelists. When the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten published largely innocuous cartoons of Muhammad in 2005, to assert the right to mock religion, the Egyptian and Syrian dictators, Hosni Mubarak and Bashar al-Assad, turned a local argument into a global campaign against Denmark. The cries of rage usefully distracted from their corruption and misrule. I could add further examples but they tell the same story. Authoritarian politics and authoritarian religion are just two sides of the same debased coin.

China has stripped away the religious justifications to reveal what was once half-hidden: unadorned and unstoppable power. In many countries, criticising China is the new blasphemy. Nowhere can you see the power more nakedly displayed than in Muslim-majority regimes. Once, they tried to murder blasphemous novelists and screamed about their desire to defend the prophet from the smallest insult. Today, they bend their knees and bite their tongues as China engages in unspeakable atrocities against the largely Muslim Uighur population of western China.

One of the great crimes of the 21st century is being committed in front of our eyes. We see it, yet we don’t register it. The Chinese Communist party is reverting to type, and reviving the totalitarian fear of the Mao era. To bring down numbers of the largely Muslim Uighurs of Xinjiang, the China scholar Adrian Zenz reports, the Communists are forcing women to be sterilised or fitted with contraceptive devices. If they resist, the state sends them to join the one million Uighur people and other Muslim minorities detained in what the state defines as “re-education” camps. A BBC investigation found that China was separating children from their families so they grew up without understanding Islam.

Xinjiang without taking extraordinary risks. With no footage of their suffering, millions can suffer unnoticed in the dark.

But the main reasons why Muslims suffer in silence is that the Muslim-majority countries that raged against Rushdie, Jyllands-Posten and Charlie Hebdo have decided to stay silent. They use the idea of Muslim solidarity only when it suits them.

In July 2019, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, the United Arab Emirates, Algeria and other Muslim-majority states that pose as defenders of the faith helped to block a western motion at the United Nations calling for China to allow “independent international observers” into the Xinjiang region. Iran issues occasional criticisms but wants Chinese support in its struggle against the Trump administration and so keeps its complaints coded. Their hypocrisy is almost funny, if you take your humour black. Iran, Egypt, Syria and dozens of other countries that could not tolerate a magical realist novel can live with the mass sterilisation of Muslim women. They will give concentration camps a conniving wink of approval, but draw the line at cartoons in a Danish newspaper.

Many have been bought off. China is now a more active and influential voice at the United Nations because so many countries are benefiting from billions of dollars in Chinese investments through its “Belt and Road” infrastructure programme. As Norway found in 2010, and Australia found this year when it asked for an international inquiry into the origins of Covid-19, those who blaspheme against China face cyber-attacks and sanctions. Better to take the rewards and avoid the punishments.

Following the money, however, can lead you into a dead end. In a survey of China’s growing power, the Economist noted it was making the world safe for autocracy. Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, for example, keeps his conservative base happy in Turkey by posing as an ostentatiously Islamic strongman. But he is not likely to condemn the abuse of Muslims by China when he is just as keen on abusing the rights of his domestic opponents. The Chinese world order appeals to the freemasonry of publicity-shy sadists. You say nothing about what we do to our subject people and we will say nothing about what you do to yours.

“The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas – uncertainty, progress, change – into crimes,” said Salman Rushdie when he was in fear of his life in 1990. He was talking about conservative Islam. China is now turning criticism of its disastrous record on incubating the Covid-19 virus and its atrocities against its Muslim minorities into crimes, and the people who should be shouting the loudest are bowing their heads in reverential silence.

•Nick Cohen is an Observer columnist

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ates-stay-silent-over-chinas-uighur-brutality
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Nations that claim to be defenders of the faith offer no protest to the concentration camps

Sat 4 Jul 2020 19.00 BSTLast modified on Sat 4 Jul 2020 20.20 BST


One of China’s ‘re-education’ centres in Dabancheng, Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region. Photograph: Thomas Peter/Reuters
When China imposed trade sanctions on Norway in 2010 for honouring the imprisoned dissident Liu Xiaobo with the Nobel peace prize, it spat out a word we weren’t used to hearing from propagandists for an atheist communist regime, but should get used to today. “It’s a blasphemy,” a party mouthpiece said.

Once, blasphemy was damning the faithful’s gods and sacred books. Now, criticism of the world’s largest dictatorship has become sacrilegious. You shouldn’t be surprised. As some of us tried to say in the 1990s and 2000s, the gap between the sacred and the profane was never as wide as religious sentimentalists and liberal multiculturalists believed.

They went along with the argument that it was bad taste at best and racism at worst to offend believers. You were “punching down” at largely poor and largely Muslim communities. We thought they were being wilfully blind. They did not understand how men with real power and malice were manipulating religious outrage to consolidate their rule over their wretched population. Iran issued a death sentence on Salman Rushdie in 1989 for satirising Islam’s foundation myths in The Satanic Verses. Its theocratic dictator, Ayatollah Khomeini, was augmenting his powers by claiming to speak for the Muslim world, as well as taking aim at novelists. When the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten published largely innocuous cartoons of Muhammad in 2005, to assert the right to mock religion, the Egyptian and Syrian dictators, Hosni Mubarak and Bashar al-Assad, turned a local argument into a global campaign against Denmark. The cries of rage usefully distracted from their corruption and misrule. I could add further examples but they tell the same story. Authoritarian politics and authoritarian religion are just two sides of the same debased coin.

China has stripped away the religious justifications to reveal what was once half-hidden: unadorned and unstoppable power. In many countries, criticising China is the new blasphemy. Nowhere can you see the power more nakedly displayed than in Muslim-majority regimes. Once, they tried to murder blasphemous novelists and screamed about their desire to defend the prophet from the smallest insult. Today, they bend their knees and bite their tongues as China engages in unspeakable atrocities against the largely Muslim Uighur population of western China.

One of the great crimes of the 21st century is being committed in front of our eyes. We see it, yet we don’t register it. The Chinese Communist party is reverting to type, and reviving the totalitarian fear of the Mao era. To bring down numbers of the largely Muslim Uighurs of Xinjiang, the China scholar Adrian Zenz reports, the Communists are forcing women to be sterilised or fitted with contraceptive devices. If they resist, the state sends them to join the one million Uighur people and other Muslim minorities detained in what the state defines as “re-education” camps. A BBC investigation found that China was separating children from their families so they grew up without understanding Islam.

Xinjiang without taking extraordinary risks. With no footage of their suffering, millions can suffer unnoticed in the dark.

But the main reasons why Muslims suffer in silence is that the Muslim-majority countries that raged against Rushdie, Jyllands-Posten and Charlie Hebdo have decided to stay silent. They use the idea of Muslim solidarity only when it suits them.

In July 2019, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, the United Arab Emirates, Algeria and other Muslim-majority states that pose as defenders of the faith helped to block a western motion at the United Nations calling for China to allow “independent international observers” into the Xinjiang region. Iran issues occasional criticisms but wants Chinese support in its struggle against the Trump administration and so keeps its complaints coded. Their hypocrisy is almost funny, if you take your humour black. Iran, Egypt, Syria and dozens of other countries that could not tolerate a magical realist novel can live with the mass sterilisation of Muslim women. They will give concentration camps a conniving wink of approval, but draw the line at cartoons in a Danish newspaper.

Many have been bought off. China is now a more active and influential voice at the United Nations because so many countries are benefiting from billions of dollars in Chinese investments through its “Belt and Road” infrastructure programme. As Norway found in 2010, and Australia found this year when it asked for an international inquiry into the origins of Covid-19, those who blaspheme against China face cyber-attacks and sanctions. Better to take the rewards and avoid the punishments.

Following the money, however, can lead you into a dead end. In a survey of China’s growing power, the Economist noted it was making the world safe for autocracy. Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, for example, keeps his conservative base happy in Turkey by posing as an ostentatiously Islamic strongman. But he is not likely to condemn the abuse of Muslims by China when he is just as keen on abusing the rights of his domestic opponents. The Chinese world order appeals to the freemasonry of publicity-shy sadists. You say nothing about what we do to our subject people and we will say nothing about what you do to yours.

“The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas – uncertainty, progress, change – into crimes,” said Salman Rushdie when he was in fear of his life in 1990. He was talking about conservative Islam. China is now turning criticism of its disastrous record on incubating the Covid-19 virus and its atrocities against its Muslim minorities into crimes, and the people who should be shouting the loudest are bowing their heads in reverential silence.

•Nick Cohen is an Observer columnist

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ates-stay-silent-over-chinas-uighur-brutality

Isn't this how the world works?

Stronger conuntries dictate their subservient, history has the proof for it, present is confirming it, and the future will carry on this tradition.
 
My mother want to visit Xin Jiang, he visited Beijing November last year. She will likely visit it with my sister inshaAllah.

Talking about Uigyur, Indonesian foreign minister is quite active asking about Uigyur to Chinese ambassador and also Chinese foreign minister.
If Indonesian foreign minister is interested, why not have a trip to Xinjiang, witness the ground reality.
China has nothing to hide. Xinjiang is no Kashmir under Curfew.

I plan to visit Xinjiang next 2 weeks.

Xinjiang is open to everyone.
 
I plan to visit Xinjiang next 2 weeks.

Xinjiang is open to everyone.
I booked a ticket to Urumqi last month, then the virus hit, the flight was cancelled, no one can go there now. I checked with Urumqi quarantine office before this new outbreak, even then you had to be quarantined for 2 week upon arrival.
 
The American criminal justice system holds almost 2.3 million people in 1,833 state prisons, 110 federal prisons, 1,772 juvenile correctional facilities, 3,134 local jails, 218 immigration detention facilities, and 80 Indian Country jails as well as in military prisons, civil commitment centers, state psychiatric hospitals, and prisons in the U.S. territories.


https://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/pie2020.html

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_United_States_state_prisons


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The US prisons are not labor and torture camps where you pick up people, with no due process, and send them to be imprisoned, raped, and killed en masse like what happens in China and in these Chinese camps. Why do you not go back to your paradise and send us your vacation pics from those camps?
 
I see Chinese flooding with propaganda pictures of happy muslims like Nazi Goebbels who showed happy jewish kids in ghetto's as propaganda

JEWISH CHILDREN IN THE THERESIENSTADT GHETTO
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You can have a trip to Xinjiang, anywhere, any time if you are not completely blind.
Those pictures are posted by visitors, worldwide. Anyone can take pictures, so do you.
 
The US prisons are not labor and torture camps where you pick up people, with no due process, and send them to be imprisoned, raped, and killed en masse like what happens in China and in these Chinese camps. Why do you not go back to your paradise and send us your vacation pics from those camps?

Ccp shall not allow this to be believed!!

Good ole commies and their goebbels department will make you believe that killing your parents and your children is progress.

(Cue the great leap backward and long live chairman Moses, or mases, or maoses whiever he was lol)
 
The US prisons are not labor and torture camps where you pick up people, with no due process, and send them to be imprisoned, raped, and killed en masse like what happens in China and in these Chinese camps. Why do you not go back to your paradise and send us your vacation pics from those camps?
The US Prisons are the darkest side of US society. Violence, drugs, gays gang bang, anything you can't hardly imagine.
 
The vocal Muslms are those sicko Malays. Malays are bunch of low iq immoral people. They can only compensate their inferiority by hallucinating a evil Chinese race.

The Turks tends to hate China due to pan turkism wet dream.

For Assad and Iran, Chinese is a God send to help Muslims free themselves against big Satan usa.

The Gulf wahabbi have not much interest in pushing uighur agenda antagonizing China.
 
The US Prisons are the darkest side of US society. Violence, drugs, gays gang bang, anything you can't hardly imagine.

Your Chinese propaganda only works fellow sheep Chinese. You are comparing criminal activity by prisoners inside prisons which happens the world over, to your government kidnapping and picking up people with no due process, torturing, killing, organ harvesting, raping Muslim women in these illegal camps.

Why don't you go back and sends some happy pics from the Chinese labor camps to prove us wrong?
 
You can have a trip to Xinjiang, anywhere, any time if you are not completely blind.
Those pictures are posted by visitors, worldwide. Anyone can take pictures, so do you.

Apparently it is very hurting to the elite Americans that the Chinese Government mostly fixed the terrorism problem in Xinjiang by very strong social economic efforts.

Evidently lots of visitor video clips on YouTube show that the Uighur people are striving to make more money and get their lives better. Tourism is booming in that area. People can see the facts, record them and present them to the world using modern technologies.

That's very sad to the Americans though.
 
If Indonesian foreign minister is interested, why not have a trip to Xinjiang, witness the ground reality.
China has nothing to hide. Xinjiang is no Kashmir under Curfew.

I plan to visit Xinjiang next 2 weeks.

Xinjiang is open to everyone.
Are you actually going to Xinjiang even in these times o_O
 
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