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All American F-35s grounded worldwide

Bro,

F-35 is way too advanced for even experienced pilots to get accustomed to, in short order. There is lot of silly propaganda circulating around - ignore it.

F-35 is great in all aspects and its DAS is something else entirely in comparison to standard IRST. Situational awareness of this Jet surprise almost any pilot who test it.

I want to see any Jet do this:


F-35 can kill ballistic missiles in boost phase.

F-35 have intercepted even terrain hugging cruise missiles in tests.

F-35 is the queen of low speed combat maneuvers and tactics. It was envisaged as a networked system that takes offensive EW to the next level. Its weakness lies against any fast, highly maneuverable adversary that can either:

1. Close the gap and bring combat to WVR.
2. Or punch through EW by either sheer brure force or sophisticated EW of its own.
3. Or survive its extremely limited stealth load out while overwhelming it with its own weapons.

A combination of SU-35, S-400 and A-100 provides such an adversary which fulfills all criteria from 1 to 3.

Today, the F-35 needs support elements such as FA-18s and F-16s or ideally the F-22. One can say that is exactly how it was supposed to be used, and hey fair enough. But at the price point the performance you get.... let's just say in the calculus of ordinary nations it cannot be justified. Of course if you are America, you can eek out max use of F-35 in its current form while investing further to remove its handicaps. It is that final form when it can stand its own against threats that I look forward to. Until then, it remains a curious technological marvel.
 
I know you are hurt, maybe you are now crying in one corner over your overprice crap "Made in USA" plane crashed.

J-20 is still flawless. better than high crash rate, heavy faulty low quality made in USA over price F-22/F-35. :lol:

no aircraft is flawless. Try selling any of your original aircraft designs before bitching.
 
no aircraft is flawless. Try selling any of your original aircraft designs before bitching.
Say that to troll who bitch about Chinese plane. You reap what u sow in past. Now is paid back times. :enjoy:

Our J-20 dont crash like your overprice junk.
 
Say that to troll who bitch about Chinese plane. You reap what u sow in past. Now is paid back times. :enjoy:

USA wrote the book on aeronautics and aircraft design
there is a long way if China wants to be even close
 
USA wrote the book on aeronautics and aircraft design
there is a long way if China wants to be even close
LOL.. Fancy, you brag about writing aeronautic books. Shouldnt u more ashamed your F-35 fare far worst of reliability and manufacturing quality over J-20?

I got one stupid US members brag about US naval supremacy and 10 CVN sailing around the global and yet can't even get basic seamanship and operating procedure, right? There is no point talking about past glory if you cant even get safety right now in 2018. :enjoy:

 
LOL.. Fancy, you brag about writing aeronautic books. Shouldnt u more ashamed your F-35 fare far worst of reliability and manufacturing quality over J-20?

Has anyone outside China evaluated the J-20 ? Has China made any original aircraft and exported it in large numbers ?

you cannot compare an opaque project like J-20 to relatively open project like f-35 ?
 
well if there's a time for someone to attack the US it'd be now, when their F-35 fleet is grounded and some F-22's damaged in a hurricane.
 
Has anyone outside China evaluated the J-20 ? Has China made any original aircraft and exported it in large numbers ?

you cannot compare an opaque project like J-20 to relatively open project like f-35 ?

Typical cheapshot from you. Has your F-22 being very open and export to other countries? Yet, may I asked how many F-22 has crashed? :lol:

https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/dead...cated-stunning-crash-report/story?id=18490248

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/f-22-crashes-at-tyndall-pilot-safe-379091/
 
Well exprnsive but not worthy buying

So you say. Go buy China's version of the F-35.

well if there's a time for someone to attack the US it'd be now, when their F-35 fleet is grounded and some F-22's damaged in a hurricane.

Nobody attacked the U.S. when it grounded the F-15s.

F-35 is the queen of low speed combat maneuvers and tactics. It was envisaged as a networked system that takes offensive EW to the next level. Its weakness lies against any fast, highly maneuverable adversary that can either:

1. Close the gap and bring combat to WVR.
2. Or punch through EW by either sheer brure force or sophisticated EW of its own.
3. Or survive its extremely limited stealth load out while overwhelming it with its own weapons.

A combination of SU-35, S-400 and A-100 provides such an adversary which fulfills all criteria from 1 to 3.

Today, the F-35 needs support elements such as FA-18s and F-16s or ideally the F-22. One can say that is exactly how it was supposed to be used, and hey fair enough. But at the price point the performance you get.... let's just say in the calculus of ordinary nations it cannot be justified. Of course if you are America, you can eek out max use of F-35 in its current form while investing further to remove its handicaps. It is that final form when it can stand its own against threats that I look forward to. Until then, it remains a curious technological marvel.

They can try to close the gap to get closer, but they will lose aircraft doing so and the pilots can easily evade them. Fire missiles and then fly away. You won't even be able to sneak on it either.
 
Typical cheapshot from you. Has your F-22 being very open and export to other countries? Yet, may I asked how many F-22 has crashed? :lol:

https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/dead...cated-stunning-crash-report/story?id=18490248

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/f-22-crashes-at-tyndall-pilot-safe-379091/

you want to call f-22 crap. that is fine with me. if you want to go war with USA thinking f-22 is crap that is fine. do not complain when your head gets blown off.
 
you want to call f-22 crap. that is fine with me. if you want to go war with USA thinking f-22 is crap that is fine. do not complain when your head gets blown off.
LOL.. Go to one corner and cry. Its your F-22 and F-35 that crashed. :enjoy:

Made in USA, overpriced, low quality junk.
 
F-35 is the queen of low speed combat maneuvers and tactics. It was envisaged as a networked system that takes offensive EW to the next level. Its weakness lies against any fast, highly maneuverable adversary that can either:

1. Close the gap and bring combat to WVR.
2. Or punch through EW by either sheer brure force or sophisticated EW of its own.
3. Or survive its extremely limited stealth load out while overwhelming it with its own weapons.

A combination of SU-35, S-400 and A-100 provides such an adversary which fulfills all criteria from 1 to 3.

Today, the F-35 needs support elements such as FA-18s and F-16s or ideally the F-22. One can say that is exactly how it was supposed to be used, and hey fair enough. But at the price point the performance you get.... let's just say in the calculus of ordinary nations it cannot be justified. Of course if you are America, you can eek out max use of F-35 in its current form while investing further to remove its handicaps. It is that final form when it can stand its own against threats that I look forward to. Until then, it remains a curious technological marvel.
Maneuverability of F-35: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/impressive-maneuvers-of-f-35-paris-air-show-2017.504581/

Sensor suite of F-35: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/unde...on-system-of-f-35-jsf-for-the-dummies.472240/

SU-35 might have superior maneuverability but it can reliably engage F-35 in close-quarters only, where its IRST and maneuverability will come into play. F-35, on the other hand, will see first (and shoot first)*, thanks to its superior sensor suite and resultant situation awareness**, and low-observable characteristics***. I would rather worry about the fate of SU-35 in this confrontation.

*Overview:-

f35-stealth-and-designing-a-21st-century-fighter-from-the-ground-up-5-728.jpg


**Overview:-

f35-multirole-8-728.jpg


Su-35-1-Cockpit-1S.jpg


***Overview:-

f35-stealth-and-designing-a-21st-century-fighter-from-the-ground-up-1-728.jpg


Again, from how far the S-400 system can reliably detect and track F-35, is the question. F-35 would have clear idea of where S-400 is located from afar. And;


A saturation attack of the state-of-the-art terrain-hugging cruise missiles on the FTR of S-400?

F-35 is a potent EW platform as well:

Unlike legacy tactical aircraft that had "federated" electronic-warfare systems, the F-35 architecture is highly integrated. Radio-frequency and electro-optical receivers are embedded around the edge of the airframe to provide continuous sensing of hostile emitters in every direction, with collections from all sensors fused through a central computer before being displayed on the visor of the pilot's helmet. The system also merges information from off-board sensors to provide a comprehensive picture of the local electronic environment.

F-35 is the first fighter that integrates threat data from across the relevant segments of the spectrum before displaying it to the pilot. That reduces the time required to respond to dangers while also easing pressure on the pilot. In fact, if the pilot is preoccupied with other facets of the mission, the EW system will automatically generate the optimum solution to a threat, whether that means jamming a radar, releasing chaff to confuse it, or launching false targets (usually high-tech flares) to draw away heat-seeking missiles.

Onboard EW functions are closely coupled with the F-35's agile radar, which like many other onboard electronic systems is built by Northrop Grumman. The radar is used not only to track and target potential threats, but also to generate jamming signals that overload enemy sensor and communication receivers so that they cannot be used effectively. These software-driven functions must be performed with great precision to generate effects at the exact frequencies where hostile emitters are operating without disrupting signals used by friendly forces.

Because the F-35's EW architecture is fully digitized, it weighs less, needs less space, and requires less power than legacy technology. However, the F-35 provides much greater electrical power for electronic applications than last-generation aircraft, enabling it to collect information and generate effects over larger areas. The radar is designed to generate highly directional signals for jamming so that emitters in specific locations can be disrupted without causing collateral effects elsewhere in the battlespace.

To summarize, the F-35 is essentially self-sufficient in its capacity to detect, localize, prioritize and defeat hostile emitters. It not only doesn't require dedicated support aircraft, but it can act as a jamming aircraft for other planes that are not so well-endowed. Whatever information a particular pilot cannot get from his or her onboard systems can generally be obtained from off-board sources (including other F-35s) via secure data links. This is yet another way in which the Pentagon's biggest program is building the foundation for U.S. global air dominance in the decades ahead.


Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/lorent...t-of-the-f-35-fighter-story-you-havent-heard/

Rare admission from Russian sources:

"Koral is a ground-based EW system, and in order to effectively counter surface-to-air missiles, especially the kind of missiles that the S-400 uses – missiles that are specifically designed to withstand enemy electronic countermeasures – you need air-based EW systems," Mikheev told media. "You need the analogues of our Rychag or Khibiny systems, and Turkey has nothing of that kind. Obviously, the US has such systems, but it doesn’t export that kind of equipment even to its NATO allies."

Source: https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201512021031139763-turkey-russia-electronic-warfare/

Russians are under no illusion irrespective of whatever propaganda they sell to the public in Syria and otherwise. They know that USAF will clean sweep.


S-400 is a formidable defense system and a stuff of nightmares for pilots in general but USAF have unprecedented resources and Cooperative Engagement Capability on its side.

This isn't to say that Russian assets are easy to overcome, but squadrons of F-35 can/will deliver against such odds. Decent planning and right combination of munitions and tactics needed.
 
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LOL.. Another cheapshot I know you will use. What kind of battlescar?
The only 'scars' your PLAAF have is their troops kicked each other's butts in marching in those useless parades. Right now, your China is suffering a masculinity crisis so bad that even the government have to get involved.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/china/...ity-crisis-tries-stop-effeminate-boys-n703461

I bet YOU are one of those pretty made up boys. No wonder you never served, not even as a pathetic conscript. This is a military oriented forum, so that make a conscript better than you, pretty boy. The reason why the PLAAF fly so safe is because their pilots are too terrified to fly hard lest they spoil their make-up.
 
Maneuverability of F-35: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/impressive-maneuvers-of-f-35-paris-air-show-2017.504581/

Sensor suite of F-35: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/unde...on-system-of-f-35-jsf-for-the-dummies.472240/

SU-35 might have superior maneuverability but it can reliably engage F-35 in close-quarters only, where its IRST and maneuverability will come into play. F-35, on the other hand, will see first (and shoot first)*, thanks to its superior sensor suite and resultant situation awareness**, and low-observable characteristics***. I would rather worry about the fate of SU-35 in this confrontation.

*Overview:-

f35-stealth-and-designing-a-21st-century-fighter-from-the-ground-up-5-728.jpg


**Overview:-

f35-multirole-8-728.jpg


Su-35-1-Cockpit-1S.jpg


***Overview:-

f35-stealth-and-designing-a-21st-century-fighter-from-the-ground-up-1-728.jpg


Again, from how far the S-400 system can reliably detect and track F-35, is the question. F-35 would have clear idea of where S-400 is located from afar. And;


A saturation attack of the state-of-the-art terrain-hugging cruise missiles on the FTR of S-400?

F-35 is a potent EW platform as well:

Unlike legacy tactical aircraft that had "federated" electronic-warfare systems, the F-35 architecture is highly integrated. Radio-frequency and electro-optical receivers are embedded around the edge of the airframe to provide continuous sensing of hostile emitters in every direction, with collections from all sensors fused through a central computer before being displayed on the visor of the pilot's helmet. The system also merges information from off-board sensors to provide a comprehensive picture of the local electronic environment.

F-35 is the first fighter that integrates threat data from across the relevant segments of the spectrum before displaying it to the pilot. That reduces the time required to respond to dangers while also easing pressure on the pilot. In fact, if the pilot is preoccupied with other facets of the mission, the EW system will automatically generate the optimum solution to a threat, whether that means jamming a radar, releasing chaff to confuse it, or launching false targets (usually high-tech flares) to draw away heat-seeking missiles.

Onboard EW functions are closely coupled with the F-35's agile radar, which like many other onboard electronic systems is built by Northrop Grumman. The radar is used not only to track and target potential threats, but also to generate jamming signals that overload enemy sensor and communication receivers so that they cannot be used effectively. These software-driven functions must be performed with great precision to generate effects at the exact frequencies where hostile emitters are operating without disrupting signals used by friendly forces.

Because the F-35's EW architecture is fully digitized, it weighs less, needs less space, and requires less power than legacy technology. However, the F-35 provides much greater electrical power for electronic applications than last-generation aircraft, enabling it to collect information and generate effects over larger areas. The radar is designed to generate highly directional signals for jamming so that emitters in specific locations can be disrupted without causing collateral effects elsewhere in the battlespace.

To summarize, the F-35 is essentially self-sufficient in its capacity to detect, localize, prioritize and defeat hostile emitters. It not only doesn't require dedicated support aircraft, but it can act as a jamming aircraft for other planes that are not so well-endowed. Whatever information a particular pilot cannot get from his or her onboard systems can generally be obtained from off-board sources (including other F-35s) via secure data links. This is yet another way in which the Pentagon's biggest program is building the foundation for U.S. global air dominance in the decades ahead.


Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/lorent...t-of-the-f-35-fighter-story-you-havent-heard/

Rare admission from Russian sources:

"Koral is a ground-based EW system, and in order to effectively counter surface-to-air missiles, especially the kind of missiles that the S-400 uses – missiles that are specifically designed to withstand enemy electronic countermeasures – you need air-based EW systems," Mikheev told media. "You need the analogues of our Rychag or Khibiny systems, and Turkey has nothing of that kind. Obviously, the US has such systems, but it doesn’t export that kind of equipment even to its NATO allies."

Source: https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201512021031139763-turkey-russia-electronic-warfare/

Russians are under no illusion irrespective of whatever propaganda they sell to the public in Syria and otherwise. They know that USAF will clean sweep.


S-400 is a formidable defense system and a stuff of nightmares for pilots in general but USAF have unprecedented resources and Cooperative Engagement Capability on its side.

This isn't to say that Russian assets are easy to overcome, but squadrons of F-35 can/will deliver against such odds. Decent planning and right combination of munitions and tactics needed.

The SU-35 backed by A-100 and carrying a VLRAAM would be a nightmare for the F-35. This threat has worried USAF commanders even.

Similarly, the S-400 has been designed specifically for any A2G threats.

The real threat posed by the USAF is that they simply keep coming at you until they overwhelm you. But in the case of Russia, there will be carnage on both sides.

Offtopic: @gambit i would like your input as well. What is the difference between the USAF as a force and the airforce wing of the US Navy?
 

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