Alarming! 30,000 people in India ready to work for ISIS to wage war against their own nation

[JanjaWeed]

That figure of 30K is too far fetched! There's nothing new here.. old stale SIMI, IM & rest of those fanatics are now congregated under one brand called ISIS.. which is the going thing right now. On the other hand.. Indian security agencies are right on top of their game..

 

[JOEY TRIBIANI]

Good for us . now indian security forces will cornered indian Muslims . Eventually indian muslims join isis or different anti india movements .

 

[haviZsultan]

I doubt this claims authenticity. Are muslims really so dumb to sacrifice their right for freedom in such a manner by supporting a terrorist group that does not even believe in humanity? India is doing what it always did. Scaremongering against the muslims is what this is.

 

[SrNair]

Sir I am still learning from people like you, your posts reminds me lectures on metaphysics. I find myself swimming in sea of knowledge while reading your Unbiased posts.
Please don't quote me further I can't handle too much hidden knowledge.

Sorry sir
I would be biased in this case because subject is internal affairs of my nation.
And will quote again

 

[illusion8]

The new generation digs it. They are everywhere now. You underestimate the desire of a Muslim to see a Khilafat. No matter how vilified it is. They perceive themselves as being unjustly treated. They look for solace and power. They find their answers in IS. Not surprising.

I'll give you that, but analyse it differently..isis recruits come in droves from democratic countries too, countries where freedom of speech and expression is practised. Even extremist mosques and madrassahs are not restricted from practising for the sake of secularism...Muslims in these countries can openly preach hatred towards the countries that feed them..like the one's in Britain or Australia or even India (owaisi and the kashmiri nutjobs for eg) they can take out anti national processions, attack people and properties in mobs and even suggest that all non Muslims be killed..no one's stopping them from working hard like the rest who do...There are billions of poor in the world..They do not become terrorists and start killing...

This is a deeper set ideology, not a feeling of unjust treatment..These people are.funded and preached and it's systemic.wahaabi and salafi ideology is behind this mess.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

I'll give you that, but analyse it differently..isis recruits come in droves from democratic countries too, countries where freedom of speech and expression is practised. Even extremist mosques and madrassahs are not restricted from practising for the sake of secularism...Muslims in these countries can openly preach hatred towards the countries that feed them..like the one's in Britain or Australia or even India (owaisi and the kashmiri nutjobs for eg) they can take out anti national processions, attack people and properties in mobs and even suggest that all non Muslims be killed..no one's stopping them from working hard like the rest who do...There are billions of poor in the world..They do not become terrorists and start killing...

This is a deeper set ideology, not a feeling of unjust treatment..These people are.funded and preached and it's systemic.wahaabi and salafi ideology is behind this mess.

Not unjust treatment. The feeling of unjust treatment. It happens due to Muslim expectations.

From his childhood a religious kid knows that he follows the ONE TRUE religion and all non Muslims will go to hell. Yet in real life he gets treated at par with other kids of other religions. This makes him feel that he is not getting his due. Muslim complaints are varied. Like the following:
i. There is a mosque on top of a pagan temple. It's damaged by pagans. Injustice to Muslims. Eg. Ram janmabhoomi, al Aqsa etc
ii. Islam is criticized. Injustice to Muslims.
iii. Islamic customs are not being followed. Injustice to Muslims.
iv. Sharia is not followed in country. Injustice to Muslims.
v. Full face hijab is being not allowed. Injustice to Muslims.
vi. Muslim majority areas are not being given the right to self determination. Injustice to Muslims.
...and so on...

 

[Peshwa]

I doubt this claims authenticity. Are muslims really so dumb to sacrifice their right for freedom in such a manner by supporting a terrorist group that does not even believe in humanity? India is doing what it always did. Scaremongering against the muslims is what this is.

Indian muslims are definitely not dumb...or radical! and...Probably more nationalistic than most would believe on this forum.

and if they are..will be playing right into the hands of the hindutvadi brigade...who need to find just another reason to keep muslims in check..

For once I agree with you!

 

[Albatross]

That's bound to happen when humans are killed over cows and schemes like Ghar Wapsi are initiated with govt patronage.

 

[Peshwa]

That's bound to happen when humans are killed over cows and schemes like Ghar Wapsi are initiated with govt patronage.

But Pakistan and Afghanistan dont have such schemes and eat all the beef they want...
Why are your comrades joining ISIS?

 

[Nilgiri]

Even if we are to take this number at face value (for arguments sake):

30,000 out of 183 million people (Muslim population in India) is like 0.016%. That is about 16 in every 100,000 people.

What will be the crucial factors are:

a) How many of the other 99,984 are willing to do nothing about those 16 (lets not even bring non-Muslims into it yet). I would assume not very many would be acquiescent to such development. Generally it has been found that you need 10% of a population to follow an extremist doctrine for the majority to offer little to no resistance...and fall behind them to large degree. So we are magnitudes away from this, even with these probably exaggerated numbers.

b) The dispersion of these 16 among the 100,000. If the overall "30,000" are concentrated in just a few areas....they can coordinate better....but also they can get targeted and neutralised much more effectively. Reverse is also true. In any case the tiny percentage works against them in practical terms. A few flickers here and there maybe....but no sustained combustion....and the net result will be more negative focus, pressure and attention on the Muslim community as usual when any episodes do happen to deal with it strongly....or have it dealt with for them (which will punish them exponentially more over time).

Over time ISIS is simply doomed to failure because of pressure from their own co-religionists.

There will never be a critical mass of ISIS support in India achieved....too much will happen in between these so called 30,000 supporters potentially turning into millions.

India needs to practice vigilance for the threat....but does not need to worry in any unfounded way (Even if this number of 30,000 is true...which it probably isn't).

 

[takeiteasy]

Indian muslims are definitely not dumb...or radical!

like this? Tamilnadu:

They ARE radical. I think Muslims from states like Kerala are moderate compared to the northern and Deccani(Nizam region) types. They fall for all kind of propaganda. These particular orthodox Muslims in these regions, have kept alive a long going enemity against Hindus although, that's slowly fading away.

They still live in separate ghettoes in states like KA and TN and are much more religious and aggressive than the common Muslims from middle east or even Pakistan. That's the hard truth.
Also, see those Turkic hats that they wear? These are worn because they believe they are Turkic...the remnants from Khilafat years. These Muslims are also locally known as Thulukkar (Thurukkar).

 

[Nilgiri]

like this? Tamilnadu:

They ARE radical. I think Muslims from states like Kerala are moderate compared to the northern and Deccani(Nizam region) types. They fall for all kind of propaganda. These particular orthodox Muslims in these regions, have kept alive a long going enemity against Hindus although, that's slowly fading away.

They still live in separate ghettoes in states like KA and TN and are much more religious and aggressive than the common Muslims from middle east or even Pakistan. That's the hard truth.
Also, see those Turkic hats that they wear? These are worn because they believe they are Turkic...the remnants from Khilafat years. These Muslims are also locally known as Thulukkar (Thurukkar).

I would like to have a machine gun when they have gathered so nicely like that.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

And my solution would be to create an environment where the breeding ground doesn't exist..

You are right when you say that external forces (ISIS) will take advantage of such situations to lure impressionable individuals with money or ideology...
But the question you haven't answered is...What makes these countries so ripe for the advance of ISIS in the region?

Why hasn't a country like China been a staging ground for ISIS? The powers (India, US, Israel...assuming that's your veiled implication) as you claim that control ISIS have a stake in taking China down a few notches as well...
So why did ISIS choose only Iraq, Syria, Afg and Pak for recruiting?

What the "breeding ground" got to with these lot? they are mercenaries, its their bread and butter, they work for money and thats it. If ISI hire them tomorrow they will wear kippah or become sadhu next day.

You are not getting what I meant by chopping hands who feed these snakes. These are foot soldiers, they are dispensable and can be replaced easily. Muslim world cannot be at peace unless the source is not rooted out. These not so "hidden hands" needs to be paid back, and their home needs to burn as well. It took us Pakistanis more then a decade to get out of our state of denial and state of confusion, induced by powers to be, in a very carefully crafted way. It was always been, foreign states sponsored terrorism in Pakistan, which has now spread all over Muslim lands.

 

[Peshwa]

What the "breeding ground" got to with these lot? they are mercenaries, its their bread and butter, they work for money and thats it. If ISI hire them tomorrow they will wear kippah or become sadhu next day.

My friend...the breeding ground means a ready supply of impressionable recruits...
If these lands mentioned previously were not ripe with youth that could be recruited to carry out the acts...where is ISIS going to get these fighters from? Syria?
Even if they are merceneries, they do need some boots on the ground to pay right?

like this? Tamilnadu:

They ARE radical. I think Muslims from states like Kerala are moderate compared to the northern and Deccani(Nizam region) types. They fall for all kind of propaganda. These particular orthodox Muslims in these regions, have kept alive a long going enemity against Hindus although, that's slowly fading away.

They still live in separate ghettoes in states like KA and TN and are much more religious and aggressive than the common Muslims from middle east or even Pakistan. That's the hard truth.
Also, see those Turkic hats that they wear? These are worn because they believe they are Turkic...the remnants from Khilafat years. These Muslims are also locally known as Thulukkar (Thurukkar).

I have to run out, but will reply to your post later my friend...

 

[Taimoor Khan]

My friend...the breeding ground means a ready supply of impressionable recruits...
If these lands mentioned previously were not ripe with youth that could be recruited to carry out the acts...where is ISIS going to get these fighters from? Syria?
Even if they are merceneries, they do need some boots on the ground to pay right?



I have to run out, but will reply to your post later my friend...

Question is who is hiring these mercenaries. The ones who are feeding these snakes. They are the ones who need to be tackled first and foremost, otherwise they will keep on propping up these foot soldiers and the Muslim world will be in perpetual cycle of terrorism. Ever wondered why terrorism came to Pakistan only after Afghanistan got occupied by "forigen forces"?