Airbus to become world’s biggest plane maker as Boeing’s deliveries plunge over 737 MAX disaster

[riscol]

American aircraft manufacturer Boeing has reported a 37 percent drop in deliveries for the first half of the year due to the prolonged grounding of its best-selling 737 MAX jets after two deadly crashes.

The company supplied 239 planes from January through June, compared to 378 jets in the same period of 2018.

Deliveries for the second quarter of 2019 were down 54 percent from the same period last year, to 90 aircraft.

Analysts say the company’s full-year deliveries are likely to fall behind its European rival Airbus for the first time in eight years.

Airbus on Tuesday reported 389 deliveries in the first six months of the year, up 28 percent from the same period in 2018. The rival plane maker has also recorded 213 orders, about double what Boeing reported.

A few airlines have shown confidence in Boeing’s once best-selling 737 MAX jet since the fatal crashes in Indonesia and Ethiopia, which killed 346 people. The aircraft has been grounded by a number of global airlines since March.

On Monday, Saudi Arabian budget carrier Flyadeal canceled an order of 50 Boeing 737 Max jets worth up to $5.9 billion in favor of a deal with Airbus.

It’s become the first airline to officially cancel its order since the MAX grounding.

https://www.rt.com/business/463814-boeing-plane-deliveries-down/

 

[war&peace]

And all the credit goes to the top management of the Boeing

 

[Khafee]

And all the credit goes to the top management of the Boeing

and Indian $9/hr coders

 

[war&peace]

and Indian $9/hr coders

Yeah but even for that it is management of the Boeing that outsourced such a mission critical software just to save a few bucks. Boeing earns billions and each of its product is high value and the safety and security of its systems are extremely important so it was really shocking for me to know that they outsourced it to some Indian company that hired people for $9/hr.. so honestly I don't blame Indians for that.

 

[Michael Corleone]

and Indian $9/hr coders

woah really? can you give me a source so i can read further on that/


this is for a limited time i believe... i am an airbus fan but boeing just has the industrial capacity to come back up to the top... airbus doesn't have nearly enough to keep boeing down

 

[riscol]

Boeing which is currently suffering a major reputation setback continues revealing more horrified problems plaguing the company. From design flaw, ignoring the first fatal accident which eventually led to the second one, ignoring pilot complaints, hardware issues to outsourcing highly technical and crucial programming of flight systems to an inexperienced Indian IT firm where coders earn as much as $9/hr. This has eventually done more financial harm than the quest for max profits all because of the avaricious nature of top management running the company. It seems like the global community has lost faith in the company and would rather place more order in our European Airbus.

$9/hr
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/soft...oftware-companies.625338/page-2#post-11588703

 

[war&peace]

woah really? can you give me a source so i can read further on that/


this is for a limited time i believe... i am an airbus fan but boeing just has the industrial capacity to come back up to the top... airbus doesn't have nearly enough to keep boeing down

Hey
Report: Boeing outsourced 737 MAX software development to $9/hr subcontractors [URL="http://"][/URL]

 

[Nilgiri]

Ppl, please stop the fake news (bloomberg) stuff.

https://www.businesstoday.in/sector...nt-engineers-boeing-refutes/story/359988.html

These coders from Indian companies, many of them college graduates, were allegedly given the task of writing codes for complex specifications set by Boeing; the company says it never relied on them for the development of the MACS; HCL, Cyient also refute the claim

Secondly as @war&peace (who I believe works in Aerospace sector like me) has pointed out...it is the full responsibility of the original company to fully test any and all flight-critical stuff (they do in-house or outsource...hardware or software) rigorously to the industry and legislative standards.

 

[Khafee]

Ppl, please stop the fake news (bloomberg) stuff.

https://www.businesstoday.in/sector...nt-engineers-boeing-refutes/story/359988.html

These coders from Indian companies, many of them college graduates, were allegedly given the task of writing codes for complex specifications set by Boeing; the company says it never relied on them for the development of the MACS; HCL, Cyient also refute the claim

Secondly as @war&peace (who I believe works in Aerospace sector like me) has pointed out...it is the full responsibility of the original company to fully test any and all flight-critical stuff (they do in-house or outsource...hardware or software) rigorously to the industry and legislative standards.

Fully test- to insure the outsourced co did its job. Boeing failed to catch the flaws from India, It is to blame, like the coders who failed to meet the specs.

Surely, Boeing didn't say: code it so aircrafts crash?

 

[Nilgiri]

Fully test- to insure the outsourced co did its job. Boeing failed to catch the flaws from India, It is to blame, like the coders who failed to meet the specs.

Boeing already said it didn't rely on HCL etc for the system in question.

Bloomberg apparently quoted some disgruntled boeing employees (off the record, and who knows what and where they were working and what the facts governing this was), so who's to go by that over Boeing itself...given Boeing has the full system picture?

And yes, even hypothetically going for sake of argument, there is 0 blame on the coders and component makers of a system (outsourced).....unless they have fully signed a liability agreement/QA assurance agreement kind of thing with the final integrator of the system. This is more common structure in automotive sector. In aerospace, there is simply way more stringent federal regulation regarding this....the final integrator must test each and every flight critical system....including any new design changes. They are held 100% liable. They may then later open liability suit with outsourcers on their own dime if there was any agreement and breaking of said agreement there. But that will be something you see quite clearly as an action taken by Boeing.

 

[war&peace]

Ppl, please stop the fake news (bloomberg) stuff.

https://www.businesstoday.in/sector...nt-engineers-boeing-refutes/story/359988.html

These coders from Indian companies, many of them college graduates, were allegedly given the task of writing codes for complex specifications set by Boeing; the company says it never relied on them for the development of the MACS; HCL, Cyient also refute the claim

Secondly as @war&peace (who I believe works in Aerospace sector like me) has pointed out...it is the full responsibility of the original company to fully test any and all flight-critical stuff (they do in-house or outsource...hardware or software) rigorously to the industry and legislative standards.

Mate in addition to my primary aerospace degree (BS & MS), I did MS in CS with specialisation in mission and safety critical systems and my business is based on that. Thus I call it the failure of Boeings top management. Because we also develop a software that controls our security devices. We never outsourced it and we pay a hefty amount to our in house development team that comprises PhDs and MS with a few BS. Kernel of the software is highly guarded secret to eliminate any chance of hacking. So I really found it shocking that Boeing would outsource such a critical piece of software. Each platform carries 100's of lives and thousands of Boeings flying every day around the globe so 100s of 1000s of lives are at stake.

 

[Nilgiri]

Mate in addition to my primary aerospace degree (BS & MS), I did MS in CS with specialisation in mission and safety critical systems and my business is based on that. Thus I call it the failure of Boeings top management. Because we also develop a software that controls our security devices. We never outsourced it and we pay a hefty amount to our in house development team that comprises PhDs and MS with a few BS. Kernel of the software is highly guarded secret to eliminate any chance of hacking. So I really found it shocking that Boeing would outsource such a critical piece of software. Each platform carries 100's of lives and thousands of Boeings flying every day around the globe so 100s of 1000s of lives are at stake.

Exactly man....you know how this stuff is rigorously tested at every level. Somewhere Boeing slipped up and badly, it will be found and we will hear from it then....because FAA is already facing a huge amount of heat on this for apparently not doing their due diligence and rather may have "rubber stamped" certification of certain changes. Boeing lobby and donor groups are immensely strong. So this will be a somewhat long story in the end.

 

[war&peace]

Exactly man....you know how this stuff is rigorously tested at every level. Somewhere Boeing slipped up and badly, it will be found and we will hear from it then....because FAA is already facing a huge amount of heat on this for apparently not doing their due diligence and rather may have "rubber stamped" certification of certain changes. Boeing lobby and donor groups are immensely strong. So this will be a somewhat long story in the end.

Boeing has a long history of providing very high quality products. Plus it has become the largest commercial jetliner manufacturer and has monopolised the business for a very long time and only second player and serious competitor is the Airbus. So FAA has become relaxed and then monopoly & lobby have their tolls on FAA as well.

 

[denel]

Boeing which is currently suffering a major reputation setback continues revealing more horrified problems plaguing the company. From design flaw, ignoring the first fatal accident which eventually led to the second one, ignoring pilot complaints, hardware issues to outsourcing highly technical and crucial programming of flight systems to an inexperienced Indian IT firm where coders earn as much as $9/hr. This has eventually done more financial harm than the quest for max profits all because of the avaricious nature of top management running the company. It seems like the global community has lost faith in the company and would rather place more order in our European Airbus.

$9/hr
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/soft...oftware-companies.625338/page-2#post-11588703

let me rephrase; HCL is a big company but they are NOT into software development. HCL is now trying to move into this arena. They got what they paid for.

 

[Wow]

hope Boeing collapses scumbag company!