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Air India flies Delhi-San Francisco nonstop over Pacific, and into record books

NEW DELHI: Flying Delhi to San Francisco (SFO) over the Pacific Ocean instead of the Atlantic, as it had done till last week, has earned Air India the record of operating the world's longest nonstop flight.

The Pacific route is almost 1,400km longer than the Atlantic one, and the flight covered 15,300 kilometres in 14.5 hours. Despite the route being longer, the flight took almost two hours less thanks to tailwinds — winds that blow in the same direction as an aircraft and thus make it go faster.

"The Earth rotates from west to east, and winds flow in that direction too. Flying west means facing strong headwinds (that decreases an aircraft's actual ground speed), and flying east means getting strong tailwinds, which does the opposite," said a senior AI official. "While taking the (western) Atlantic route to SFO, we usually face headwinds of 24kmph. This means that if our aircraft is doing 800kmph, its actual ground speed is 776kmph. Taking the (eastern) Pacific route will mean getting tailwinds of 138kmph, which make the aircraft have an actual ground speed of 938kmph," the official added.

At 13,900km, the Atlantic route of AI's Delhi-SFO nonstop flight made it the world's second-longest after Emirates' Dubai-Auckland (14,120km). Now, AI's Pacific route will remain the world's longest nonstop for two years, till Singapore Airlines launches the mother of all direct flights — Singapore-New York — that will cover 16,500km in 19 hours.

The four pilots, captains Rajneesh Sharma, Gautam Verma, MA Khan and SM Palekar, and the 10 cabin crew members who operated the first Delhi-SFO flight over the Pacific are ecstatic at setting this record.

"The aircraft took off from Delhi at 4am on Sunday (October 16) morning. We were in that date till Japan. After that, we crossed the international date line and were in October 15. By the time we landed in San Francisco, it was 6.30am on October 16 (local time in SFO)," said one of the pilots.

The AI Delhi-SFO-Delhi flight now does a round trip of the world as it flies back to India over the Atlantic to get tailwinds on both the outbound and inbound flights.

The Boeing-777 200 long range used by AI on this route, on an average, burns 9,600 litres of fuel for each hour of flying. A shorter flying time on the Delhi-SFO route — from an hour in summer to three hours (in winter) — would mean huge fuel savings for the airline.


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...nd-into-record-books/articleshow/55005821.cms
 
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Air India flies Delhi-San Francisco nonstop over Pacific, and into record books

NEW DELHI: Flying Delhi to San Francisco (SFO) over the Pacific Ocean instead of the Atlantic, as it had done till last week, has earned Air India the record of operating the world's longest nonstop flight.

The Pacific route is almost 1,400km longer than the Atlantic one, and the flight covered 15,300 kilometres in 14.5 hours. Despite the route being longer, the flight took almost two hours less thanks to tailwinds — winds that blow in the same direction as an aircraft and thus make it go faster.

"The Earth rotates from west to east, and winds flow in that direction too. Flying west means facing strong headwinds (that decreases an aircraft's actual ground speed), and flying east means getting strong tailwinds, which does the opposite," said a senior AI official. "While taking the (western) Atlantic route to SFO, we usually face headwinds of 24kmph. This means that if our aircraft is doing 800kmph, its actual ground speed is 776kmph. Taking the (eastern) Pacific route will mean getting tailwinds of 138kmph, which make the aircraft have an actual ground speed of 938kmph," the official added.

At 13,900km, the Atlantic route of AI's Delhi-SFO nonstop flight made it the world's second-longest after Emirates' Dubai-Auckland (14,120km). Now, AI's Pacific route will remain the world's longest nonstop for two years, till Singapore Airlines launches the mother of all direct flights — Singapore-New York — that will cover 16,500km in 19 hours.

The four pilots, captains Rajneesh Sharma, Gautam Verma, MA Khan and SM Palekar, and the 10 cabin crew members who operated the first Delhi-SFO flight over the Pacific are ecstatic at setting this record.

"The aircraft took off from Delhi at 4am on Sunday (October 16) morning. We were in that date till Japan. After that, we crossed the international date line and were in October 15. By the time we landed in San Francisco, it was 6.30am on October 16 (local time in SFO)," said one of the pilots.

The AI Delhi-SFO-Delhi flight now does a round trip of the world as it flies back to India over the Atlantic to get tailwinds on both the outbound and inbound flights.

The Boeing-777 200 long range used by AI on this route, on an average, burns 9,600 litres of fuel for each hour of flying. A shorter flying time on the Delhi-SFO route — from an hour in summer to three hours (in winter) — would mean huge fuel savings for the airline.


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...nd-into-record-books/articleshow/55005821.cms


GREAT :yahoo:
 
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This is the Safest way to fly across the Pacific. :agree:

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I don't care about a few more hours, but the leg room sucks in cattle class. O God won't you give me a Mercedes Benz and a private jet.
 
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Direct flights between India and North America will cut into gulf carrier markets. Even other airlimes like jet should try these flights

BTW they are using Boieng 777 why not use A380's. They have larger capacity. all major airports of India - Delhi, Mumbai, Bangalore , Hyderabad are A380 compliant. Using A380 will give big boost in prestige and revenue
 
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People who always criticise Air India needs a reality check!

AI currently has more non-stops from USA to India and has the largest international market share out of India (Including AI-Express AI has 25%, Jet Airways has 23%).

AI Flies BOM-EWR, DEL-ORD, DEL-JFK, DEL-SFO (Also AMD-LHR-EWR).

People prefer non-stops and its high time Indians avoid the ME carriers (Emirates, Qatar and Etihad) and use desi carriers like Jet and AI.

ps: AI flight to SFO was so successful that it is increasing it to 6 per week come December. First casualty of this is Etihad who is reducing Abu Dhabi- San Francisco from Daily to 3 weekly! Who would have thought AI will beat EY someday !

Direct flights between India and North America will cut into gulf carrier markets. Even other airlimes like jet should try these flights

BTW they are using Boieng 777 why not use A380's. They have larger capacity. all major airports of India - Delhi, Mumbai, Bangalore , Hyderabad are A380 compliant. Using A380 will give big boost in prestige and revenue
A380 will be a disaster for any Indian carrier. Even today, except for EK (who operate 65% of whole of A380 fleet in the world) and some big legacy carriers like BA/LH , everyone are having losses with these birds.

Malaysia is looking to dump then and so are Virgin(yet to take delivery).
 
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Direct flights between India and North America will cut into gulf carrier markets. Even other airlimes like jet should try these flights

BTW they are using Boieng 777 why not use A380's. They have larger capacity. all major airports of India - Delhi, Mumbai, Bangalore , Hyderabad are A380 compliant. Using A380 will give big boost in prestige and revenue

You are wrong. US has something called "open skies" policy which really means that their skies are NOT OPEN.

The airways are negotiated by the US govt. with the Emirates, Etihad, and Qatar Airways in favour of US airlines. Its a quid pro quo arrangement.

Similarly India has a limited number of flights that can be flown into the US and these are split between the IA, Jet, Indigo etc .
 
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You are wrong. US has something called "open skies" policy which really means that their skies are NOT OPEN.

The airways are negotiated by the US govt. with the Emirates, Etihad, and Qatar Airways in favour of US airlines. Its a quid pro quo arrangement.

Similarly India has a limited number of flights that can be flown into the US and these are split between the IA, Jet, Indigo etc .

Err... no!

Look into DoT and DoJ proceedings regarding US-Middle east open skies policy (mostly with UAE/ Qatar).

US carriers operate a big FAT ZERO flights a day between US and Dubai while likes of EK/QR operate 25-30 flighjts a day into USA!

How is it favoring US carriers?

In fact ,this is the reason that the US Big 3 (Delta, American and United) are fighting publicly and in the US government circles against granting ME3 carriers anymore access as they cannibalise the traffic to other places from US like India/ S.E Asia etc.
 
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Err... no!

Look into DoT and DoJ proceedings regarding US-Middle east open skies policy (mostly with UAE/ Qatar).

US carriers operate a big FAT ZERO flights a day between US and Dubai while likes of EK/QR operate 25-30 flighjts a day into USA!

How is it favoring US carriers?

In fact ,this is the reason that the US Big 3 (Delta, American and United) are fighting publicly and in the US government circles against granting ME3 carriers anymore access as they cannibalise the traffic to other places from US like India/ S.E Asia etc.

That is in exchange for keeping those airlines OUT of US domestic flights which is a FAR bigger market.
 
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That is in exchange for keeping those airlines OUT of US domestic flights which is a FAR bigger market.
But why would they operate domestic flights in US?

You are getting confused I thinK. IATA and all countries these days allow 5th freedom flights only. 6th freedom and domestic service by foreign carriers is unheard of.

Infact, there are no countries in the world where foreign carriers operate domestic flights in another country. So how are EK,QR, EY to operate domestic flights in USA?

What you are saying is 8th freesom and there are no examples in the whole world except for few rare tag-on flights in Australia/ Canada (YVR-YYZ).
 
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A380 will be a disaster for any Indian carrier. Even today, except for EK (who operate 65% of whole of A380 fleet in the world) and some big legacy carriers like BA/LH , everyone are having losses with these birds.

Malaysia is looking to dump then and so are Virgin(yet to take delivery).

If I am not wrong >80% of EK's long haul flights are A380. The reason they are able to do that is because they have successfully marketed DXB as the hub of the wold. Anyone travelling to North America/Europe from Asia or Africa and vice versa can come to central point DXB and then fly. It has 15,700 KM range and seating capacity of Approx 500 in a 3 class configuration. You can easily have 2-3 flights a week of A380 direct to North America from India. I am sure that market is there and people will prefer a direct flight over one with a layover in DXB
 
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If I am not wrong >80% of EK's long haul flights are A380. The reason they are able to do that is because they have successfully marketed DXB as the hub of the wold. Anyone travelling to North America/Europe from Asia or Africa and vice versa can come to central point DXB and then fly. It has 15,700 KM range and seating capacity of Approx 500 in a 3 class configuration. You can easily have 2-3 flights a week of A380 direct to North America from India. I am sure that market is there and people will prefer a direct flight over one with a layover in DXB

Ek has mastered the long haul hub and spoke model of flying thanks to shitty airlines in Africa/ India/ pak etc. The number of A380 flights is actually less tha 30% of EK's network (including short haul). They subsidixe their long haul flying by the goldmine short haul flying to third world nations who have crappy national carriers. As a reasult EK is the de-facto national carrier of many countries like Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, India (untill recently they had the largest share of INDIA-US/Europe market).

Consider this, out of 180 A380s flying today, 83 are with Emirates!
 
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Similarly India has a limited number of flights that can be flown into the US and these are split between the IA, Jet, Indigo etc .

Indigo, Spicejet etc are more interested in Mid East and South East Asia Routes. They ar not flying to Europe/North America

Ek has mastered the long haul hub and spoke model of flying thanks to shitty airlines in Africa/ India/ pak etc. The number of A380 flights is actually less tha 30% of EK's network (including short haul). They subsidixe their long haul flying by the goldmine short haul flying to third world nations who have crappy national carriers. As a reasult EK is the de-facto national carrier of many countries like Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, India (untill recently they had the largest share of INDIA-US/Europe market).

They had the market because Indian Carriers allowed them the market. If they start flights to Europe /US the Indian carriers can give EK run for their money. You give the public a direct flight they will not go to DXB. Why will I take a 2 hour flight BOM-DXB , a 2-3 hour layover then a 14 hour DXB-JFK instead of travelling direct BOM-JFK
 
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If I am not wrong >80% of EK's long haul flights are A380. The reason they are able to do that is because they have successfully marketed DXB as the hub of the wold. Anyone travelling to North America/Europe from Asia or Africa and vice versa can come to central point DXB and then fly. It has 15,700 KM range and seating capacity of Approx 500 in a 3 class configuration. You can easily have 2-3 flights a week of A380 direct to North America from India. I am sure that market is there and people will prefer a direct flight over one with a layover in DXB

I think the biggest problem with A380 is fuel efficiency. It is considered to be a gas-guzzler compared to the alternatives from Boeing-LR.

Obviously the gulf carriers can afford the higher fuel bills and hence you see them sticking with A380 while virtually all others have abandoned it.
 
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BTW they are using Boieng 777 why not use A380's. They have larger capacity. all major airports of India - Delhi, Mumbai, Bangalore , Hyderabad are A380 compliant. Using A380 will give big boost in prestige and revenue

Boeing 777 is much more fuel efficient

The A 380 is expensive to operate and maintain

And many a times the flights are not fully filled to capacity
thus incurring losses

Air India flies Delhi-San Francisco nonstop over Pacific, and into record books

NEW DELHI: Flying Delhi to San Francisco (SFO) over the Pacific Ocean instead of the Atlantic, as it had done till last week, has earned Air India the record of operating the world's longest nonstop flight.

The Pacific route is almost 1,400km longer than the Atlantic one, and the flight covered 15,300 kilometres in 14.5 hours. Despite the route being longer, the flight took almost two hours less thanks to tailwinds — winds that blow in the same direction as an aircraft and thus make it go faster.

"The Earth rotates from west to east, and winds flow in that direction too. Flying west means facing strong headwinds (that decreases an aircraft's actual ground speed), and flying east means getting strong tailwinds, which does the opposite," said a senior AI official. "While taking the (western) Atlantic route to SFO, we usually face headwinds of 24kmph. This means that if our aircraft is doing 800kmph, its actual ground speed is 776kmph. Taking the (eastern) Pacific route will mean getting tailwinds of 138kmph, which make the aircraft have an actual ground speed of 938kmph," the official added.

At 13,900km, the Atlantic route of AI's Delhi-SFO nonstop flight made it the world's second-longest after Emirates' Dubai-Auckland (14,120km). Now, AI's Pacific route will remain the world's longest nonstop for two years, till Singapore Airlines launches the mother of all direct flights — Singapore-New York — that will cover 16,500km in 19 hours.

The four pilots, captains Rajneesh Sharma, Gautam Verma, MA Khan and SM Palekar, and the 10 cabin crew members who operated the first Delhi-SFO flight over the Pacific are ecstatic at setting this record.

"The aircraft took off from Delhi at 4am on Sunday (October 16) morning. We were in that date till Japan. After that, we crossed the international date line and were in October 15. By the time we landed in San Francisco, it was 6.30am on October 16 (local time in SFO)," said one of the pilots.

The AI Delhi-SFO-Delhi flight now does a round trip of the world as it flies back to India over the Atlantic to get tailwinds on both the outbound and inbound flights.

The Boeing-777 200 long range used by AI on this route, on an average, burns 9,600 litres of fuel for each hour of flying. A shorter flying time on the Delhi-SFO route — from an hour in summer to three hours (in winter) — would mean huge fuel savings for the airline.


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...nd-into-record-books/articleshow/55005821.cms

Fantastic achievement by All Crew members
 
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