Air Chief Marshal Mushaf Ali Mir shaheed - February 20, 2003

[Zarvan]

 

[ali_raza]

a great man.
there was many gossips about who was responsible for his crash

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

The best air chief among all recent air chiefs. His role during stand off with india won't be forgotten. He preapred full strategy to defeat thm like 65 in air. and this time also ground operations were his periority. But he got a great reward in form of SHAHADAT.

 

[R Wing]

What a man!

There are whispers that the plane crash was an assassination/sabotage plot (apparently he was opposed to giving the US certain airfields, etc.). How credible do senior members think this is?

From Wiki:

"According to investigative journalist Gerald Posner, the death of Mir was not an accident, but instead an act of sabotage. The author claims in his book Why America Slept: The Failure to Prevent 9/11, that Osama bin Laden struck a deal with Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) through Mir in 1996 to get protection, arms, and supplies for Al-Qaeda. The meeting was blessed by the Saudis through Prince Turki bin Faisal Al Saud, the Saudi intelligence chief. However, after the September 11 attacks on the United States in 2001, and a reversal of Pakistani and Saudi stances favoring the Taliban and Al-Qaeda, the three Saudi princes associated with the deals died within days, and seven months after that, Mir's plane crashed near the Pakistan–Afghan border. Prince Turki bin Faisal, on the other hand, was removed as intelligence chief and sent as Ambassador to United Kingdom during the same time."​

 

[SQ8]

Just conspiracy theories and nothing more. He died because the Fokker pilot flew too low between the peaks trying to show off to the chief.
A man's own ambitious vanity took down the cream of PAF and possible better future leadership.

 

[Jammer]

One of our finest, RIP Mir Sahab.

 

[ali_raza]

Just conspiracy theories and nothing more. He died because the Fokker pilot flew too low between the peaks trying to show off to the chief.
A man's own ambitious vanity took down the cream of PAF and possible better future leadership.

thats sad

 

[Big Tank]

Just conspiracy theories and nothing more. He died because the Fokker pilot flew too low between the peaks trying to show off to the chief.
A man's own ambitious vanity took down the cream of PAF and possible better future leadership.

I request you to kindly delete this comment on the deceased Pilot alleging him for showinf off without any proof. The final investigation revealed that the plane was had its life span completed and it was PAF fault that I bought such an aircraft while PIA and Navy refused to buy it.

 

[messiach]

That's a sign of poor training.

Just conspiracy theories and nothing more. He died because the Fokker pilot flew too low between the peaks trying to show off to the chief.
A man's own ambitious vanity took down the cream of PAF and possible better future leadership.

 

[MastanKhan]

I request you to kindly delete this comment on the deceased Pilot alleging him for showinf off without any proof. The final investigation revealed that the plane was had its life span completed and it was PAF fault that I bought such an aircraft while PIA and Navy refused to buy it.

Hi,

Oscar did not make any wrong comments---. Life span or Paf buying it has nothing to do with iot---the pilot smashed it into the side of a mountain---.

 

[Big Tank]

Hi,

Oscar did not make any wrong comments---. Life span or Paf buying it has nothing to do with iot---the pilot smashed it into the side of a mountain---.

Dear Sir. PAC told that it was a defective aircraft in 2013 after so many years. Kindly please let me know through professional expertise that under what conditions and "sources" you're blaming the Pilot when the investigation finally got closed securing the reason that it was the aircraft with extreme nautical mileage which caused the crash.

https://www.eturbonews.com/127243/mushaf-ali-mir-plane-crash-report-brings-terrible-revelations
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/15027-ex-paf-chief-mushaf-mir-died-in-defective-aircraft-pac-told

 

[Raider 21]

As a kid at that time, I recall meeting him personally at Kamra during his tenure as OC Flying 33rd Wing. Very humble and good-natured. He was the only senior pilot flying F-16s regularly, sometimes even more than the squadron pilots at that time. Nature had a major part in the crash of the Fokker F-27 en-route to Kohat. But obviously there's more spice added to the situation of the crash as majority of the passengers were high-ranking officers. Poor weather conditions and human-error were termed as some of the causes . Interestingly one of the other people (AVM Raja Rizwan Ullah Khan) killed in that air-crash was a fighter pilot and an aeronautical engineer.

 

[MastanKhan]

Dear Sir. PAC told that it was a defective aircraft in 2013 after so many years. Kindly please let me know through professional expertise that under what conditions and "sources" you're blaming the Pilot when the investigation finally got closed securing the reason that it was the aircraft with extreme nautical mileage which caused the crash.

https://www.eturbonews.com/127243/mushaf-ali-mir-plane-crash-report-brings-terrible-revelations
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/15027-ex-paf-chief-mushaf-mir-died-in-defective-aircraft-pac-told

Hi,

If it was a defective aircraft---then it was the fault of the pilot who flew it--.

He should have simply refused to fly it.

When you take the glory of flying the air chief----then take the 'shaft' when you slam the aircraft into the mountain---.

Paf is habitual of committing these blunders---first this crash---then the awcs destroyed on tarmac at karachi---then more awacs destroyed at another tarmac at another air base.

It is all excuses that the Paf has .

If the aircraft was so beat up---then who better to judge its flying capabilities than the pakistan air force---.

If it is not the pilot---then it is the Pakistan air force that is to be blamed.

 

[Raider 21]

Hi,

If it was a defective aircraft---then it was the fault of the pilot who flew it--.

He should have simply refused to fly it.

When you take the glory of flying the air chief----then take the 'shaft' when you slam the aircraft into the mountain---.

Paf is habitual of committing these blunders---first this crash---then the awcs destroyed on tarmac at karachi---then more awacs destroyed at another tarmac at another air base.

It is all excuses that the Paf has .

If the aircraft was so beat up---then who better to judge its flying capabilities than the pakistan air force---.

If it is not the pilot---then it is the Pakistan air force that is to be blamed.

Absolutely. The actions of a few people projects an entire organisation...

 

[Big Tank]

Hi,

If it was a defective aircraft---then it was the fault of the pilot who flew it--.

He should have simply refused to fly it.

When you take the glory of flying the air chief----then take the 'shaft' when you slam the aircraft into the mountain---.

Paf is habitual of committing these blunders---first this crash---then the awcs destroyed on tarmac at karachi---then more awacs destroyed at another tarmac at another air base.

It is all excuses that the Paf has .

If the aircraft was so beat up---then who better to judge its flying capabilities than the pakistan air force---.

If it is not the pilot---then it is the Pakistan air force that is to be blamed.

Maybe he never operated the Jet before? Maybe he reported it to the authorities previously? How can you assume that. Aren't those responsible who take care of PAF's ordnance? Who make decisions?