AI robots to patrol India borders soon, How is Pakistan countering?

[Psychic]

Are you sure you want to replace soldier with an AI based robot in a country of 1.2 billion people ?

Those robots are for the countries where people are not willing to join armies or they have declining population.

Does this make economic sense to a country like India and Pakistan. By the way for your knowledge robot do not necessarily mean an alternate to the soldier. It could be any machine with sensors such heat detectors of infrared light detectors (which is already widely use tech) only with a moving vehicle that can provide real time data. Not such of a high tech thing

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[airmarshal]

For the last 45 years we have been waiting for Arjun MBT.

For the last 10 years we have been waiting for Indian fighter jet in IAF service.

For the last 13 years we have been waiting for first jet in Indian colors under their MMRCA program.

 

[Yaseen1]

china has developed small drones swarm killing spiderweb technology which uses a drone carrying a large web to catch swarm of small drones
https://newsobservatory.com/china-tests-its-new-spider-drone/
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UNITED STATES, WASHINGTON (OBSERVATORY) — Inspired by a spider, a new Chinese combat drone is able to wrap its target in a net, depriving it of its strength, and dragging it into a fall.

Chinese engineers have developed a combat drone capable of firing a wide net at its target, according to local media reports.

The new aircraft would also be capable of reconnaissance missions as well as bombing enemy forces. The Chinese public television broadcast a video showing the device “capturing” another device, also controlled remotely, during an exercise.

Designed by the China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation, a group owned and managed directly by the government, the drone is equipped with a camera that helps it detect targets.

According to the CCTS channel, the device is able to automatically identify other UAVs, whose presence in the airspace is not allowed, and to intercept them.


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China says it has developed a new hunter drone that can disable other drones -- or even small aircraft -- by firing a 16-square-meter web at them https://cnn.it/32vYqdO


China says its drone can hunt like Spiderman
China says it has developed a new hunter drone that can disable other drones -- or even small aircraft -- by firing a 16-square-meter (172 square feet) web at them.

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The spider-drone trials have been going on for at least a year. According to experts quoted by the European media, the new machine will be able to work in parallel with ground-based missile systems and radars.

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[Signalian]

Companies in Pakistan with names involving "electronics" are in all likelihood just assembler of components and circuits boards which they import from China, Singapore, Taiwan etc. where the FABs are located where those electronic components, SMDs, ICs, Micro-controllers, processors, memories chips are manufactured.

What I am talking about are Electronic components like didodes, transistors, ICs and Chips manufacturing Fabrication facilities called FAB in semiconductor industry which are not existent in Pakistan. Assembling of electronics components is NOT same as fabrication/manufacturing of those electronic components in high-tech clean room based foundries.

Intel for example has its own FAB facility which produces Intel processors, AMD on the other hand used to have a FAB foundary which it spun off with the name of Global foundaries and now AMD is practically FABless processor designing company which gets its processors designed by its engineers in silicon valley produced by Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing corporation which is the biggest electronic chip manufacturing foundary in the world. NVIDIA which produces graphic cards is also FABless and has outsourced its manufacturing to China or Taiwan foundaries but their chips are designed by their engineers also in the silicon valley California.

This wikipedia article summarises the current location and capacity of various semiconductor electronics FABs all round the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabrication_plants

did u read about margalla electronics

 

[YeBeWarned]

You mean Sex robots ? or Dildo's ? well we can F them with our bullets no need to deploy Robots .

 

[Crusher]

did u read about margalla electronics

OK read about them, they are not even an assembler company but rather just a "distributor shop" for Samsung electronic products.

 

[Signalian]

OK read about them, they are not even an assembler company but rather just a "distributor shop" for Samsung electronic products.

funny right ?

Read this
https://enacademic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/10674284

 

[Crusher]

funny right ?

Read this
https://enacademic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/10674284

OK that was another Magalla electronics from islamabad.

But your Margalla electronics that is only serving "armed forces" for electronic equipment is doing what I suspected in my earlier post just repair, maintenance and assembling of electronic devices.

quote from your source

"Within a short span of time ME has accumulated sophisticated skills and hardware necessary for assembling, testing, and repairing of various types of military electronics products. ME has co-produced and fielded sophisticated state-of-the-art radar systems and communications equipment jointly with various international companies."

So getting the electronic components diodes, transistors, ICs, micro-controllers, processors, memory chips either from the China, Taiwan, Japan, Singapore OEM companies/distributors or in case there are sanctions then getting them from some black market channels. So they aren't doing anything special. So no chip fabrication/manufacturing , just reinventing the wheel by assembling the existing devices using available circuit/design diagrams most probably obtained through chinese who in turn get them by steeling them from US/European companies which is a core issue of China US trade spat these days, so-called intellectual property theft by chinese hackers backed by chinese government.

 

[Signalian]

OK that was another Magalla electronics from islamabad.

But your Margalla electronics that is only serving "armed forces" for electronic equipment is doing what I suspected in my earlier post just repair, maintenance and assembling of electronic devices.

quote from your source

"Within a short span of time ME has accumulated sophisticated skills and hardware necessary for assembling, testing, and repairing of various types of military electronics products. ME has co-produced and fielded sophisticated state-of-the-art radar systems and communications equipment jointly with various international companies."

So getting the electronic components diodes, transistors, ICs, micro-controllers, processors, memory chips either from the China, Taiwan, Japan, Singapore OEM companies/distributors or in case there are sanctions then getting them from some black market channels. So they aren't doing anything special. So no chip fabrication/manufacturing , just reinventing the wheel by assembling the existing devices using available circuit/design diagrams most probably obtained through chinese who in turn get them by steeling them from US/European companies which is a core issue of China US trade spat these days, so-called intellectual property theft by chinese hackers backed by chinese government.

Companies collaborating with defence agencies, may not give full information of capabilities.

 

[Crusher]

Companies collaborating with defence agencies, may not give full information of capabilities.

But we don't need companies to "collaborate" only with defence industries but rather we also badly need electronic companies that serve Pakistani civil commercial markets as their primary objective so that we can reduced our "import bill" by reducing the imports of simple diodes, transistors and simple ICs (not talking about Hightech logic electronic chips) frpm abroad, that is quite important for Pakistan's industrial development than concentrating our resources only for collaboration for defence agencies like Nescom etc.

If you see the list of original chip manufacturers in the above page of wikipedia that tagged in a previous post, this one

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabrication_plants

You will see that there is at least ONE declared manufacturer of electronic components and chips in india, it is a FAB/manufacturing facility run by their space agency ISRO in Chandigarh indian Punjab that has the capability to design and manufacture electronic chips with a precision of on-chip electronic components down to "180" nanometers which for a third world country like india is remarkable in my view and they are producing there hightech chips like MEMS (micro electronic mechanical switches), CMOS (complementary metal oxide semiconductors), CCD (charge coupled devices). So gangus are doing good job in the field of manufacturing of not just simple but rather advanced electronic semiconductor chips and unlike permanently scared Pakistan they don't even hide it from the rest of the world.

 

[Signalian]

But we don't need companies to "collaborate" only with defence industries but rather we also badly need electronic companies that serve Pakistani civil commercial markets as their primary objective so that we can reduced our "import bill" by reducing the imports of simple diodes, transistors and simple ICs (not talking about Hightech logic electronic chips) frpm abroad, that is quite important for Pakistan's industrial development than concentrating our resources only for collaboration for defence agencies like Nescom etc.

If you see the list of original chip manufacturers in the above page of wikipedia that tagged in a previous post, this one

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabrication_plants

You will see that there is at least ONE declared manufacturer of electronic components and chips in india, it is a FAB/manufacturing facility run by their space agency ISRO in Chandigarh indian Punjab that has the capability to design and manufacture electronic chips with a precision of on-chip electronic components down to "180" nanometers which for a third world country like india is remarkable in my view and they are producing there hightech chips like MEMS (micro electronic mechanical switches), CMOS (complementary metal oxide semiconductors), CCD (charge coupled devices). So gangus are doing good job in the field of manufacturing of not just simple but rather advanced electronic semiconductor chips and unlike permanently scared Pakistan they don't even hide it from the rest of the world.

Is this close ?

PCB Lab

PCB lab is equipped with state of the art equipment for analysis, diagnostics/trouble shooting of PCBs. The equipment includes logic analyzer for testing of digital ICs, pinpoint-II for trouble shooting of PCBs and polar fault locator for IC testing. Reverse engineering of PCBs is also undertaken when repair is uneconomical or non-feasible. PCB lab also has the capability to design multilayered PCBs using state of the art PCB designing softwares and generate fabrication data in form of Gerber files for fabrication of PCBs. Starting cost of IC testing (DIPICs) is Rs. 129 per IC. Starting cost of PCB designing including generation of Gerber file is Rs. 259 per square inch for single sided PCB and Rs. 388 for double sided PCB

http://www.hit.gov.pk/ardiclabs.php#tab-11

 

[The Accountant]

Is this close ?

PCB Lab

PCB lab is equipped with state of the art equipment for analysis, diagnostics/trouble shooting of PCBs. The equipment includes logic analyzer for testing of digital ICs, pinpoint-II for trouble shooting of PCBs and polar fault locator for IC testing. Reverse engineering of PCBs is also undertaken when repair is uneconomical or non-feasible. PCB lab also has the capability to design multilayered PCBs using state of the art PCB designing softwares and generate fabrication data in form of Gerber files for fabrication of PCBs. Starting cost of IC testing (DIPICs) is Rs. 129 per IC. Starting cost of PCB designing including generation of Gerber file is Rs. 259 per square inch for single sided PCB and Rs. 388 for double sided PCB

http://www.hit.gov.pk/ardiclabs.php#tab-11

I think PCB fabrication is a very basic operation in electronics industties ... i m not an engineer so i can be wrong

 

[Krptonite]

Whatever the Indians do we will do better.

By that estimate you fail harder?

 

[khansaheeb]

By that estimate you fail harder?

No, hit harder.

 

[Crusher]

Is this close ?

PCB Lab

PCB lab is equipped with state of the art equipment for analysis, diagnostics/trouble shooting of PCBs. The equipment includes logic analyzer for testing of digital ICs, pinpoint-II for trouble shooting of PCBs and polar fault locator for IC testing. Reverse engineering of PCBs is also undertaken when repair is uneconomical or non-feasible. PCB lab also has the capability to design multilayered PCBs using state of the art PCB designing softwares and generate fabrication data in form of Gerber files for fabrication of PCBs. Starting cost of IC testing (DIPICs) is Rs. 129 per IC. Starting cost of PCB designing including generation of Gerber file is Rs. 259 per square inch for single sided PCB and Rs. 388 for double sided PCB

http://www.hit.gov.pk/ardiclabs.php#tab-11

I think you are not understanding about the Semiconductor fabrication process, here is an interesting short video by Intel to explain the fabrication of semiconductor chips, it is a very complex process at micrometer/nanometer scale. Those semiconductor chips are then mounted on the PCBs to do "interesting things".

And this is the one of the most advanced automatic semi chips fabrication plant of Intel explained in this short video, semi chip fabrication is performed in "ultra pure environment" called "clean room" where the density of "contaminants in the air" is kept at ultra low levels and the workers also use a special "clean room dress" during fabrication process inside the clean room fabrication plants.