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Hesse is the first German State that recognizes a Muslim community as corporate body under public law. So far, only the Catholic, Evangelical, Greek-orthodox, Russian-orthodox, Jewish and Jehova´s witnesses have been given this status.

The Culture Ministry in the state of Hesse has granted Ahmadiyya Muslim Jamaat (AMJ) in Frankfurt, a Muslim religious community, the status of ‘corporation under public law’ – a first in Germany.

The Ahmadiyya community is active in Germany since 1950′s. The Ahmadiyya community has 35.000 members and 225 organized communities in Germany. Legally, the new status puts it on par with the major Christian churches and the Jewish community in Germany. Public corporation status gives the communities certain rights, including the right to pass laws for their organization and raise taxes from members.

Abdullah Uwe Wagishauser has served as AMJ chairman since 1984. Active in Germany since the 1950s, the AMJ, with its 39 mosques and more than 35,000 members in about 225 communities, is regarded as a moderate Muslim reformist movement.

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Abdullah Uwe Wagishauser (right) with the worldwide head of Ahmadiyya Muslim Community.
Abdullah Uwe Wagishauser (right) with the worldwide head of Ahmadiyya Muslim Community.
DW: What does your religious community stand for?

Abdullah Uwe Wagishauser: We stand for Islam, for peaceful Islam, for Islam that is as compatible with the laws of the country we happen to live in as it was 1,400 years ago.

The AMJ has been granted public corporation status above all because some primary schools in Hesse will be offering Islamic religious education for the first time when the new school year begins. The federal state needs appropriate partners for the project. Did that accelerate the recognition process?

Most certainly. There were many things we did not have to commission – for instance the report on issues concerning religious studies or the legal report. They already existed, so we could build on that.

Was there any opposition, were there protests – or did the recognition go smoothly?

This recognition is purely an administrative act. Under German law, the public is not asked its opinion. There was no opposition from that side. There were some legal inquiries. The process was quite speedy and we were pleased to see how quickly it led to recognition. We always met with very understanding and open people in the Hesse state government and the Culture Ministry, we never encountered any difficulties. Communication was good – I am tempted to say it was harmonious.

What are the AMJ’s new rights?

Our status means we can now establish foundations and thus legalize our Imam Institute and turn it into a state institute – it is only an academy at the moment. We can set up a Muslim cemetery, which is something we plan to do. We could get a seat on the supervisory boards of the public broadcasters, although I don’t think they’ll just offer us that without being asked. We could apply for airtime for religious broadcasting on public stations. When municipal town planning schemes are designed, we can point out Muslim concerns, which could be important in Hesse when mosques are constructed. Those are some of the rights. We still have to find out what else there is; it is an area that lacks comprehensive jurisdiction.

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Could you raise taxes from your members along the lines of Germany’s church tax?

We could do that, but we have a very good donation system that is also very communicative. That is a need we do not see at the moment.

Those are the rights – what about the responsibilities the status involves?

Of course you have the duty to behave as a part of the state. Our former status was that of an association, we were on an equal footing with athletic and cultural clubs. Now we are on a par with the Christian and Jewish religious communities. That puts us on the same level as these communities. That gives us obligations, such as welfare work, like caring for elderly Muslims, hospice care and chaplaincy in prisons or in the Armed Forces.

What future opportunities do you see for your religious community with its new public corporation status?

One of our fantasies is that the status might give a new direction to the discussion of whether Islam belongs to Germany or not: that it simply is a matter of course and will continue to develop, and that Muslims are then regarded as a fixed part of society with all the rights and duties that they are granted and must fulfill. It should be normal that Muslims take part in shaping this society, and shaping it in a positive way.

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Germany: Ahmadiyya community becomes corporate body under public law | Rabwah Times
 
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An attempt by Germany to promote "secular peaceful" and deviant version of Islam (if u can call it islam.. which it is not).. probably to counter radical islamists.. The qadiani version will even be taught in schools!

Similar to US policy of promoting their version of Islam (through sufi/aamir liaqat/othr "peaceful" sects)
 
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An attempt by Germany to promote "secular peaceful" and deviant version of Islam (if u can call it islam.. which it is not).. probably to counter radical islamists.. The qadiani version will even be taught in schools!

Similar to US policy of promoting their version of Islam (through sufi/aamir liaqat/othr "peaceful" sects)

Its not necessarily a bad thing. It will just further cement what a vast majority of Muslims think about Ahmadiyya movement.
 
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Its not necessarily a bad thing. It will just further cement what a vast majority of Muslims think about Ahmadiyya movement.

Well, muslims didn't complain when the west was promoting sunni radicalism to counter the soviets, why cry now?

at least these people are not involved in extremist activities in Europe.
 
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Well, muslims didn't complain when the west was promoting sunni radicalism to counter the soviets, why cry now?

at least these people are not involved in extremist activities in Europe.

The thing is other sects keep fighting in between themselves this will not only help just Ahmadis but other Muslims as well the funny thing is the same muslims dont offer the same rights to Ahmadis in their own countries and complain when western countries dont offer the same rights to them ?

Its not necessarily a bad thing. It will just further cement what a vast majority of Muslims think about Ahmadiyya movement.

and what would that be ?
 
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Well, muslims didn't complain when the west was promoting sunni radicalism to counter the soviets, why cry now?

at least these people are not involved in extremist activities in Europe.

How are two related again?
 
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Well, muslims didn't complain when the west was promoting sunni radicalism to counter the soviets, why cry now?

at least these people are not involved in extremist activities in Europe.
These people don't have to...Why would they do so? When Europe is in perfect harmony with them why would Ahmadies be revolting against the Europe? Its Illogical.
 
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A Muslim sect that might finally bring some good rep to the Muslim community . The first Muslim community that works with the state rather than against it.



Its divide and rule, Divide Muslims and rule them...
 
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Is that a good or bad thing?

Good thing of course Muslims have same rights as Christians and other religions registered as public body in the state.

Its divide and rule, Divide Muslims and rule them...

Muslims divided themselves by making a Kafir factory, So called Muslims kill more Muslims.
 
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3 of my best friends were ahmadis. Sorry but they are not muslims.
They dont believe non ahmadis are on right path either or that non ahmadis will go to heaven.
One of these friends frankly told me that to become behisti( a dweller of heaven) I would have to become Ahmadi.
 
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3 of my best friends were ahmadis. Sorry but they are not muslims.
They dont believe non ahmadis are on right path either or that non ahmadis will go to heaven.
One of these friends frankly told me that to become behisti( a dweller of heaven) I would have to become Ahmadi.

i beg to differ SIR ! I dont doubt that your friends were Ahmadis but they might have not enough knowledge themselves i was raised in the centre of Ahmadiyya community in Pakistan Rabwah and i was never told to call anybody a Kafir or non muslim or say that he wont or he will go to heaven i was told to judge everybody on "Taqwa" and we never say that non ahmadis are non muslims or they wont go to heaven its up to God Please dont turn this discussion into a religious one but i wanted to make my point that its absolutely NOT TRUE !
 
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From what I assume the ahmadi in Pakistan are similar to the druze in Israel and the Ba'haii in iran , they 've fed so much from jews they are addicted to it.
 
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