Ah....The reason why Uncle SAM is whining.

[Thomas]

Completely on own point of view advocated

true, that can be said of every poster on these boards including the news articles.

 

[huzihaidao12]

true, that can be said of every poster on these boards including the news articles.

So that, from the "Western News", OK, I know, so that's not so strange.

 

[Hafizzz]

Man do you have any basic idea of arab countries oil & US? other then Iran all other arab countries sell oil for US $ not there own currency, this helps keep the $ strong. All the oil money is then invested in US economy by the arab royals, so if the US economy goes so will the royal wealth, their interests are inter connected to make sure they dont go out of line to harm US. During the embargo by King Faisal of KSA the US was fighting the Vietnam and was having oil shortage for its jets over there so it was decided that if need be US should attack and take control of the major oil fields in eastern Saudi Arabia, the whole thing was planned and this all is revealed in a documentry House of Saud. The US generals who made the attack plans and the Us embassador to KSA confirmed this on video. So stop your day dreaming of Oil embargo by Arabs on USA.

The reason why Bin Laden is fight the USA is because of US troops controlling the oil fields in Saudi Arabia so that America gets an unlimited supply of Oil.

 

[Thomas]

The reason why Bin Laden is fight the USA is because of US troops controlling the oil fields in Saudi Arabia so that America get an unlimited supply of Oil.

Actually he got upset the King of Saudi Arabia turning him down on allowing him and his fighters to help defend Saudi Arabia.

Al-Qaeda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

" The Iraqi invasion of Kuwait in August 1990 had put the kingdom and its ruling House of Saud at risk. The world's most valuable oil fields were within easy striking distance of Iraqi forces in Kuwait, and Saddam's call to pan-Arab/Islamism could potentially rally internal dissent.

In the face of a seemingly massive Iraqi military presence, Saudi Arabia's own forces were well armed but far outnumbered. Bin Laden offered the services of his mujahideen to King Fahd to protect Saudi Arabia from the Iraqi army. The Saudi monarch refused bin Laden's offer, opting instead to allow U.S. and allied forces to deploy troops into Saudi territory.

The deployment angered Bin Laden, as he believed the presence of foreign troops in the "land of the two mosques" (Mecca and Medina) profaned sacred soil. After speaking publicly against the Saudi government for harboring American troops, he was banished and forced to live in exile in Sudan. "

 

[Hafizzz]

Actually he got upset the King of Saudi Arabia turning him down on allowing him and his fighters to help defend Saudi Arabia.

Al-Qaeda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

" The Iraqi invasion of Kuwait in August 1990 had put the kingdom and its ruling House of Saud at risk. The world's most valuable oil fields were within easy striking distance of Iraqi forces in Kuwait, and Saddam's call to pan-Arab/Islamism could potentially rally internal dissent.

In the face of a seemingly massive Iraqi military presence, Saudi Arabia's own forces were well armed but far outnumbered. Bin Laden offered the services of his mujahideen to King Fahd to protect Saudi Arabia from the Iraqi army. The Saudi monarch refused bin Laden's offer, opting instead to allow U.S. and allied forces to deploy troops into Saudi territory.

The deployment angered Bin Laden, as he believed the presence of foreign troops in the "land of the two mosques" (Mecca and Medina) profaned sacred soil. After speaking publicly against the Saudi government for harboring American troops, he was banished and forced to live in exile in Sudan. "

Of course there is always an excuse to cover up the truth.

 

[Tshering22]

Of course it is not that simple because even before the Arabs or China can do anything....the USA will nuke the hell out of them.

LOL LOL

Everyone doesn't think like you, dude. US has only 10% of its oil from the Arab world. On the contrary the Arab world will be in a big mess if US moves its helping hands away.

About China, there's a specific economy thread on how US and China have inter-mingled economies and how much equally they're depending on each other despite the "cold war" that you day and night fancy happening between them.

Go through the forum that involves in Chinese, Americans, French and a few other nationalities on there. Check it out, its really informative.

 

[below_freezing]

It's a good thing then that China doesn't hold anywhere near 92% of the worlds supply then isn't. Though it may hold the largest developed mines. It wouldn't take long under a supply cut off to get new mines up and running. Though in the short term it would be painful for the world economy including China's. In the long term it would undercut China's position world wide. Which is precisely why China won't cut off supplies completely. They will reduce supplies to drive up prices but only to a point. At some point it hurts them just as much.

I understand emotionally many here would love to see such things like a cut off of supplies. Or anything that in your view would show up the U.S.. But you need to differentiate between your fantasy of the U.S. getting it's proverbial "come upping" and the realities of worlds economy and politics.

we don't do just the mining, we also have a technological monopoly on several key steps of processing. it'll take the US at least a decade to build both upstream and downstream facilities for the use of these metals. other than the US and Russia, no other country can even come close to us in both upstream and downstream processing technologies, Russia probably isn't selling, so the US has to develop the entire supply chain, on its own. so yes, an export ban, not a general supply cut just an export ban, would devastate the US economy.

 

[CAPTAIN AMERICA]

we don't do just the mining, we also have a technological monopoly on several key steps of processing. it'll take the US at least a decade to build both upstream and downstream facilities for the use of these metals. other than the US and Russia, no other country can even come close to us in both upstream and downstream processing technologies, Russia probably isn't selling, so the US has to develop the entire supply chain, on its own. so yes, an export ban, not a general supply cut just an export ban, would devastate the US economy.

Really China has a number of major problems with developing technology. One of the big ones and one of the reasons China has never been awarded a Nobel prize is

" "Intellectual property rights have done a lot to hamper China's development of green technology," says Linden Ellis, U.S. director of nonprofit China Dialogue. "People would rather come to Silicon Valley and develop a technology where they know it will be protected by the law, right down to every line, than go to China and try to develop a technology there where maybe the components will be cheaper and there is a lot of interest, but people do not trust that their findings will be protected."

Let's Deconstruct the Phantom China v US Cleantech War : TreeHugger

No major internation corporation is going to develope any thing in China where there is little or no protection of Property Rights. Silicon Valley or other wise.

Theres very few if any materials that China has that cant be found else where. China has more to lose in a conflict with the west in terms of trade then the USA does. Many countries like Pakistan, Mexico and India would love to have the trade China has with the USA and the cost to americans would not much higher.

I expect in a trade war with the USA China would confiscate all US investments in China and the USA would declare all debt to China null and void. But then thats another subject.

 

[Thomas]

we don't do just the mining, we also have a technological monopoly on several key steps of processing. it'll take the US at least a decade to build both upstream and downstream facilities for the use of these metals. other than the US and Russia, no other country can even come close to us in both upstream and downstream processing technologies, Russia probably isn't selling, so the US has to develop the entire supply chain, on its own. so yes, an export ban, not a general supply cut just an export ban, would devastate the US economy.

Don't under estimate U.S. will. Take WWII as an example things that normally took years to build took just months. The U.S. has the technical and industrial ability, all it needs is the motivation. No country since then has even come close to pulling off what the U.S. did in just 4 short years.

 

[gambit]

Don't under estimate U.S. will. Take WWII as an example things that normally took years to build took just months. The U.S. has the technical and industrial ability, all it needs is the motivation. No country since then has even come close to pulling off what the U.S. did in just 4 short years.

The guy is just grossly exaggerating China's capability to 'cripple' US in this manner. Just like how many claim oil can do the same. It is entertaining, though.

 

[CAPTAIN AMERICA]

Don't under estimate U.S. will. Take WWII as an example things that normally took years to build took just months. The U.S. has the technical and industrial ability, all it needs is the motivation. No country since then has even come close to pulling off what the U.S. did in just 4 short years.

If China does start restricting supplies, am sure other supplies will be developed or substitutes, as matter fact some already have. Also something like that would not just involve the USA. China is a member of the WTO World Trade Organization .
Among some of the commitments undertaken by China are the following:

China will provide non-discriminatory treatment to all WTO Members. All foreign individuals and enterprises, including those not invested or registered in China, will be accorded treatment no less favourable than that accorded to enterprises in China with respect to the right to trade.

China will eliminate dual pricing practices as well as differences in treatment accorded to goods produced for sale in China in comparison to those produced for export.

price controls will not be used for purposes of affording protection to domestic industries or services providers.

the WTO Agreement will be implemented by China in an effective and uniform manner by revising its existing domestic laws and enacting new legislation fully in compliance with the WTO Agreement.

Within three years of accession all enterprises will have the right to import and export all goods and trade them throughout the customs territory with limited exceptions.

China will not maintain or introduce any export subsidies on agricultural products.

WTO | NEWS - WTO successfully concludes negotiations on China's entry - Press 243

In the end I dont think China will want to lose their seat in the WTO

Perhaps China has not advanced far enought from communism or matured enough to be a member of the WTO any longer.

 

[huzihaidao12]

If China does start restricting supplies, am sure other supplies will be developed or substitutes, as matter fact some already have. Also something like that would not just involve the USA. China is a member of the WTO World Trade Organization .
Among some of the commitments undertaken by China are the following:

China will provide non-discriminatory treatment to all WTO Members. All foreign individuals and enterprises, including those not invested or registered in China, will be accorded treatment no less favourable than that accorded to enterprises in China with respect to the right to trade.

China will eliminate dual pricing practices as well as differences in treatment accorded to goods produced for sale in China in comparison to those produced for export.

price controls will not be used for purposes of affording protection to domestic industries or services providers.

the WTO Agreement will be implemented by China in an effective and uniform manner by revising its existing domestic laws and enacting new legislation fully in compliance with the WTO Agreement.

Within three years of accession all enterprises will have the right to import and export all goods and trade them throughout the customs territory with limited exceptions.

China will not maintain or introduce any export subsidies on agricultural products.

WTO | NEWS - WTO successfully concludes negotiations on China's entry - Press 243

In the end I dont think China will want to lose their seat in the WTO

Perhaps China has not advanced far enought from communism or matured enough to be a member of the WTO any longer.

World Trade Organization? Who can exclude China in 2010? The United States? NO, you have failed, because no one will follow.

 

[huzihaidao12]

Don't under estimate U.S. will. Take WWII as an example things that normally took years to build took just months. The U.S. has the technical and industrial ability, all it needs is the motivation. No country since then has even come close to pulling off what the U.S. did in just 4 short years.

Will be no such relation. The key is the cost, unless the war, the cost is the decisive role in the business.

 

[huzihaidao12]

Really China has a number of major problems with developing technology. One of the big ones and one of the reasons China has never been awarded a Nobel prize is

" "Intellectual property rights have done a lot to hamper China's development of green technology," says Linden Ellis, U.S. director of nonprofit China Dialogue. "People would rather come to Silicon Valley and develop a technology where they know it will be protected by the law, right down to every line, than go to China and try to develop a technology there where maybe the components will be cheaper and there is a lot of interest, but people do not trust that their findings will be protected."

Let's Deconstruct the Phantom China v US Cleantech War : TreeHugger

No major internation corporation is going to develope any thing in China where there is little or no protection of Property Rights. Silicon Valley or other wise.

Theres very few if any materials that China has that cant be found else where. China has more to lose in a conflict with the west in terms of trade then the USA does. Many countries like Pakistan, Mexico and India would love to have the trade China has with the USA and the cost to americans would not much higher.

I expect in a trade war with the USA China would confiscate all US investments in China and the USA would declare all debt to China null and void. But then thats another subject.

Meanwhile, the dollars will collapse, you know that the United States mean?

 

[chauism]

Meanwhile, the dollars will collapse, you know that the United States mean?

No need to argue with him here, I don't even know where to start pointing out his logical flaws here in his posts, because they are everywhere.