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[A Pakistani Abroad]

Yes be brutally honest. Don't start British history at the industrial era to suit your narrative.

Did Romans improve Britain from its preceding pagan society or not?

Yes or no please.

Then do wax lyrical over how the Romans brutalised the Celts and any Anglo tribes that stood in their path. Do you wish to be schooled on the brutalities of the Romans in Britain in front of all these people here who already know your agenda and are merely - like me - humouring you for entertainment value?

Once you've done that, ask the British to be ashamed of this forced conversion from their prior civilisational and religious identity into the new Roman one. Then by all means - once the nationals of the nation you leech off share your view that they should feel shame over the various invasions of the British Isles that have shaped their DNA and cultural identity - tell Pakistanis to do likewise.

The Romans improved Britain greatly, but after being unaffected for hundreds of years by any mass invasion, the British more or less gave us the modern world with the Industrial Revolution.

It would be rather humiliating however, if the British just kept riding high on past glories and banging on about what the Romans did. While achieving nothing much of value since the day the Romans departed, just imagine if Britain still had Roman level infrastructure and they kept being in your face about how 'they' built all that?

Perhaps you understand the difference between British people and subcontinental people now when it comes to history?

British people are certainly proud of their ancestors, but they know for sure they were in reality *their* ancestors and they also know that the whole world knows this. As such they do not feel the need to boast about this too much.

Subcontinental on the other hand...

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Yes, South Indians do not look like us because they are Dravidian peoples. North Indians are genetically identical to us. If it were not for the beards that are more common amongst Pakistanis in the UK, I would struggle to tell the difference between a Pakistani and a North Indian, because that is like trying to tell the difference between an Englishman and a Scotsman.

Only SOME/ a minority of North indians are genetically similar to us. The majority are not. But that is neither here nor there. There are many Pakistanis from the North and Western regions of Pakistan who are genetically identical to Afghans and Iranians. Doesn't make us the same people just as it Doesn't make us indian.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

The Romans improved Britain greatly, but after being unaffected for hundreds of years by any mass invasion, the British more or less gave us the modern world with the Industrial Revolution.

It would be rather humiliating however, if the British just kept riding high on past glories and banging on about what the Romans did. While achieving nothing much of value since the day the Romans departed, just imagine if Britain still had Roman level infrastructure and they kept being in your face about how 'they' built all that?

Perhaps you understand the difference between British people and subcontinental people now when it comes to history?

British people are certainly proud of their ancestors, but they know for sure they were in reality *their* ancestors and they also know that the whole world knows this. As such they do not feel the need to boast about this too much.

Subcontinental on the other hand...

Just between you and me, there was no unified Britain as a concept until the awful evil brutal Invaders from Italy came and made it happen.

Monty python said it best:

"All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?"

Don't worry so much about Pakistanis either. Pakistan is 72 years old.

"British" achievements stalled significantly following the exit and collapse of Roman administration. Indeed, the DARK AGES (clue is in the name) lasted over 500 years.

By ridding themselves of the horrific evil invaders, Britain stalled its own rise for half a millennium, though as an aside, Roman losses elsewhere caused them to abandon Britannia, rather than some dramatic reversal militarily by "native Britons" against their "occupiers".

The argument offered by many Pakistanis is that Hindus happily cut off their own nose to spite their face by repeatedly allying with (ironically) the Victorian era Brits against the brutal evil horrible mughals. Instead of accepting the mughals as the subcontinent's Romanising influence, the Hindus went full inferiority-complex-mode and that is pretty much where we still are today vis a vis the psychology between the modern nation states of Pakistan and india.

By my calculations, Pakistan gets at least another 400 years before you can start to judge it against post-Roman British achievements.

 

[A Pakistani Abroad]

Only SOME/ a minority of North indians are genetically similar to us. The majority are not. But that is neither here nor there. There are many Pakistanis from the North and Western regions of Pakistan who are genetically identical to Afghans and Iranians. Doesn't make us the same people just as it Doesn't make us indian.

Yes, there is no 'typical' Pakistani just like.

This is basic history, the original dwellers of what is now India were almost all Hindus until they were converted by the sword or chose willfully to convert to escape the brutal caste system. After many hundreds of years, there began to emerge a schism between Indian Muslims and Hindus, despite both being from the same stock.

When Partition came, some Indian Muslims chose to join Jinnah while others remained, most of the migrations occured in the Northern part of India and as such there is much in similar between North Indians and Pakistanis.

Yes, there are some fair-skinned and light-eyed people near the Afghan border. But otherwise large swathes of Indians and large swathes of Pakistanis are the same people.

I do not understand why one would want to deny this, it doesn't even require complex scientific studies, it just required one to look with ones owns eyes.

Just between you and me, there was no unified Britain as a concept until the awful evil brutal Invaders from Italy came and made it happen.

Monty python said it best:

"All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?"

Don't worry so much about Pakistanis either. Pakistan is 72 years old.

"British" achievements stalled significantly following the exit and collapse of Roman administration. Indeed, the DARK AGES (clue is in the name) lasted over 500 years.

By ridding themselves of the horrific evil invaders, Britain stalled its own rise for half a millennium, though as an aside, Roman losses elsewhere caused them to abandon Britannia, rather than some dramatic reversal militarily by "native Britons" against their "occupiers".

The argument offered by many Pakistanis is that Hindus happily cut off their own nose to spite their face by repeatedly allying with (ironically) the Victorian era Brits against the brutal evil horrible mughals. Instead of accepting the mughals as the subcontinent's Romanising influence, the Hindus went full inferiority-complex-mode and that is pretty much where we still are today vis a vis the psychology between the modern nation states of Pakistan and india.

By my calculations, Pakistan gets at least another 400 years before you can start to judge it against post-Roman British achievements.

Fair enough.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

As such they do not feel the need to boast about this too much.

Fyi, I don't think Pakistanis bother "boasting" or losing sleep about the mughals as much as you would dearly love to prove to yourself. We do however call India out for being destroyers of subcontinent heritage and history, much like any responsible nation would do when historical sites are vandalised in the name of religion. Ignorance has led Hindutva down this path. Pakistan is right to call it what it is. Furthermore, destruction of mosques - historic or otherwise - is rightly condemned.

Indians of the Hindutva kind pathetically seem to lose sleep over mughals damaging their DNA, their national discourse, their history, and even their lexicon. Pakistanis are at peace with their past.

In fact, it is because of this inferiority complex that Indians suffer with that naming missiles after afghans offends them so much.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Yes, there is no 'typical' Pakistani just like.

This is basic history, the original dwellers of what is now India were almost all Hindus until they were converted by the sword or chose willfully to convert to escape the brutal caste system. After many hundreds of years, there began to emerge a schism between Indian Muslims and Hindus, despite both being from the same stock.

When Partition came, some Indian Muslims chose to join Jinnah while others remained, most of the migrations occured in the Northern part of India and as such there is much in similar between North Indians and Pakistanis.

Yes, there are some fair-skinned and light-eyed people near the Afghan border. But otherwise large swathes of Indians and large swathes of Pakistanis are the same people.

I do not understand why one would want to deny this, it doesn't even require complex scientific studies, it just required one to look with ones owns eyes.



Fair enough.

Some?????.........have you even been to North Western Pakistan??????..........

 

[Dalit]

Yes, there are some fair-skinned and light-eyed people near the Afghan border. But otherwise large swathes of Indians and large swathes of Pakistanis are the same people.

LOL you obviously know nothing about Pakistan. Judging by your words you know as little about Pakistan as the producers of Homeland.

 

[Super Falcon]

India was big hurdle for talibans india opposes them how they want hindu who kill muslims this is against taliban teachings shaking hands with mob modi not a possibly

 

[PakSword]

Listen to just the ten seconds from where the video starts!

 

[A Pakistani Abroad]

LOL you obviously know nothing about Pakistan. Judging by your words you know as little about Pakistan as the producers of Homeland.

Pakistan is ethnically diverse just like India.

I have lived my whole life in Scotland, I visit Pakistan on holidays (Karachi). It is really impossible to tell the difference between an Indian and a Pakistani here in the UK as most Indians are 'Patel' types hailing from the north.

There is actually an ethnic slur 'P*ki' that was used by white racists against Pakistani communities in the UK when the latter first settled to work in mills in the North of England, it is also used against Indian and Bangladeshis as no one can tell the difference between the two.

White British people have learned to tell the difference between Pakistanis and Indians from name, but given two people, one clean shaven Pakistani and one clean shaven Indian, it will be nigh impossible to tell the difference.

Punjabi, Sindhi and Muhajir, who make up the majority of Pakistan, are genetically the same as North Indian groups.


The original point of debate was how similar Pakistanis and North Indians were.

 

[StormBreaker]

Listen to just the ten seconds from where the video starts!

Bhai, apko tag kia hai thread par, give your views please on the topic in hand