After 4 Crashes, Ecuador Grounds Fleet of Indian Dhruv Choppers, Cancels Contract

[Abingdonboy]

12 with over 200 in service in multiple countries for over a decade now that too when these helos are being flown daily in inhospitable climates such as NE and JK? There is nothing wrong with the helo, the attrition rate is well within acceptable norms and quite a few have been found to be pilot error (the vast majority in fact).


Nailed it. HAL were so desperate for orders they jumped the gun with Ecuador when they would have been smart to conduct some due diligence and steer clear of these amateurs.


+ for all those trying to malign the ALH/HAL, tell me, does any air force select what they consider to be an unsafe aircraft to fly their head of state? Ecuador found the ALH to be perfectly safe to do so, the problems came AFTER it was inducted.

The Ecuadorians are plagued by these "maintenance issues"- many of their other aircraft have been hit by this too. I don't think it is fair to blame HAL for this, initially the Ecuadorians tried to pass of a few of the crashes as maintenance related but HAL conclusively proved it had been pilot error. The ALHs delivered to Nepal, Mauritius and the Maldives have had no such issues.

Ecuador needs to look at its training (of both pilots and ground crew).

 

[IndoCarib]

Still got a costumers for our product (JF-17) while your own airforce reject ur home assembled fighter .

dont get me started on 'our' product (JF-17)

 

[AyanRay]

Still got a costumers for our product (JF-17) while your own airforce reject ur home assembled fighter .

The only customer JF-17 has got is the PAF. TEJAS has been inducted by IAF, while JF-17 has been rejected by the country of its origin.(China) tells a lot about the capability of the fighter.

And regarding Dhruv, apart from India and Ecuador, the helicopter is also being used by countries like Israel and Turkey.

 

[scientien]

Man... every project India undertakes almost certainly fails... Insas, Arjun, Tejas.... All crap.

Ur whole country is fail...want proof have a look at your face in mirror.

 

[Hindustani78]

The alternate theory that Ecuadorian staff is incompetent with proper maintenance and running of the chopper?

Spares parts are not any issue as DM have already clearly stated that.

January 31, 2015
Hindustan Aeronautics Limited has been asked to set up additional depots for spares after Ecuador.

HAL has taken a decision to keep Rs 400 crore aside for built up of spares


Ecuador has been perturbed by the high repair cost which Indian manufacturer is demanding for the OMU. According to sources, India is demanding $ 250,000 for the repair of the OMU

While Ecuador has been besieged by this current problem, it is yet to receive the last consignment of two helicopters from India. price of two additional ‘Dhruv’ ALH and it now stands at $ 12 million apiece

 

[Hiptullha]

Pakistan made choppers dont crash coz there are no Pakistan made choppers

Hey hey, India should be comparing itself with China. Similar population, both of them aspiring powers, both wanting to exert dominance. Why is shupa pawa not able to get on the same level as the Chinese?

Also.
#MakeInIndia

 

[somebozo]

Ur whole country is fail...want proof have a look at your face in mirror.

I am not a big fan of made in India..the quality is guaranteed to be sh!t!
Actually when it comes to Pakistan atleast we have some respect as some Made in Pakistan products are demanded by name but for India and China it is always the advantage of cheap price...

 

[Hindustani78]

However, following the crash of an Ecuadorian HAL Dhruv in 2009 due to pilot error, the Ecuadorian operators have complained of recurring problems including higher than expected maintenance costs, India's high fees demands for spares, and HAL raising prices of the last two helicopters of the seven it was contracted to deliver.

 

[AyanRay]

I am not a big fan of made in India..the quality is guaranteed to be sh!t!
Actually when it comes to Pakistan atleast we have some respect as some Made in Pakistan products are demanded by name but for India and China it is always the advantage of cheap price...

Which quality Pakistani product are you talking about? which the world buys despite being expensive? Don't tell me mangoes and rice.
And what's stopping Pakistan from creating and exporting high end products at a very cheap price, like the Indians and Chinese do?

 

[Providence]

the problem lies ith the ecuadorians. i think poor maintenance and pilot errors are the major cause. dhruvs have good service record with Indian armed forces.

Don't be an idiot !

When a product is sold to a country, you make sure that all factors like adequate training etc are considered and then you quote a price to cover all the costs.

If you act like a cowboy and just try to undercut prices blindly to win the contract, then at the end of the day, it is your product that would lose it's market value. This is more important for these helos since they have a handful users only.

And w.t.f is this "we are yet to receive any such notification" cr@p ? Speaks volumes about the sales team's agility in tackling any issue.

 

[Hindustani78]

Don't be an idiot !

When a product is sold to a country, you make sure that all factors like adequate training etc are considered and then you quote a price to cover all the costs.

If you act like a cowboy and just try to undercut prices blindly to win the contract, then at the end of the day, it is your product that would lose it's market value. This is more important for these helos since they have a handful users only.

And w.t.f is this "we are yet to receive any such notification" cr@p ? Speaks volumes about the sales team's agility in tackling any issue.

But here we cant simply overlook the fact that in 2007 , Defence Minister of Ecuador was killed in Helicopter crash but that was not Dhruv.

Here it doesnt seems maintainence problem nor spare parts problem , there might be other issues , may be internal ones of Ecuador.

 

[Providence]

But here we cant simply overlook the fact that in 2007 , Defence Minister of Ecuador was killed in Helicopter crash but that was not Dhruv.

Here it doesnt seems maintainence problem nor spare parts problem , there might be other issues , may be internal ones of Ecuador.

Maybe. No one is refuting that. But in a huge B2B transaction, you do research on your customers as well.

Make them pilots go through a training course and certify the worthy ones. Obviously this will cost you money which can be factored in bid quote.

When you come with a new product in market, you have to go the extra mile to ensure there is no negative associations with the brand.

 

[nForce]

@ramu Good to see you back.

 

[Hindustani78]

Maybe. No one is refuting that. But in a huge B2B transaction, you do research on your customers as well.

Make them pilots go through a training course and certify the worthy ones. Obviously this will cost you money which can be factored in bid quote.

When you come with a new product in market, you have to go the extra mile to ensure there is no negative associations with the brand.

Such blame games are nothing but a tactic to defame the product.

ALH Dhruv Helicopter Hatsoff simulator

 

[Hindustani78]

Ecuador grounds fleet of Dhruv choppers after mishaps, cancels contract with HAL

Oct 16, 2015, Agencies:

In a major setback for India, Ecuador has grounded all the Dhruv Advanced Light Helicopters after four of the seven choppers crashed.

It has unilaterally ended the contract with Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, reports NDTV.

While addressing the media, Ecuadorian Defence Minister stated that the helicopters had crashed because of some mechanical problems.

Senior officials of HAL told NDTV that they haven't received any cancellation orders yet.

Ecuadorian Air Force had bought seven Dhruv helicopters from state-run HAL in 2009 under a deal costing nearly USD 45 million.