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After 20 years, R&AW upgrades to super spy jets

The reason why ISI, Mossad or CIA are efficient and effective is because they are led by military officers at all level. The environment is totally military. In RAW it is civil bureaucracy all the way.

We have the DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency), Aviation Research Centre, Directorate of Air Intelligence, Directorate of Navy Intelligence, Signals Intelligence Directorate etc. for specific defense related intelligence.

for other research, we have the IB and NIA work in tandem with the RAW.
 
India can never progress as long it keeps buying weapons simple :disagree:

India doesn't have much capability to domestically produce weapons simple

come mate why worry about us , :)
we are ,as per you, not progressing:)
 
India can never progress as long it keeps buying weapons simple :disagree:

India doesn't have much capability to domestically produce weapons simple

we can produce but problem is with development. We are licence producing best machines like su 30mki and T90, under ToT but, india is bridging gap rapidly. we are developing K Serise missile, aircraft carrier. SAMs and nuclear submarines now.
 
1. RAW is decidedly the most massive organization in the business. It has also huge funds at its disposal quite independent of GOI. Huge investments have been made all over the world - a lesson LTTE had lerant from them. Huge business/industrial syndicates are on board. The richest being the Ambanis. RAW's doctrine is India's doctrine as enshrined in The Arthasastra of Katulya/Chanokya. Hindu religion, local politics and women are used lavishly as weapons. SSB and other paramilitary organizations work in close cohesion for Intel Ops.

2. With all that RAW is not as efficient or effective as one would expect. Bureaucracy is an ailment. There is even trade unionism with instances of RAW employees going on strike!! In recent years more and more retired and even some serving military officers have been inducted in. But this exercise has not been effective because of the jealousy against the military.

3. The reason why ISI, Mossad or CIA are efficient and effective is because they are led by military officers at all level. The environment is totally military. In RAW it is civil bureaucracy all the way.

4. In 1962, Indian Intel heavily funded by US and UK Intel, who still had some listening posts in the Himalayas, had started covert ops in Tibet unknown to Nehru or his cabinet. That was a stray incident, and RAW had not been born. But now, thanks in most part to the mega graft that Indian leaders are involved in, RAW quite often acts free of the political leadership. We in BD are seeing this happening. There is historical reason behind this no doubt. But in Indo-BD affairs, all agreements, treaties, understandings, commitments, etc from India to BD has proved to be totally false. Beginning with the Indira - Mujib Pact of 1974 India has not honored a single commitment - although the current BAL Govt has given them all they asked for.
With the diversity that our country has, there is always a chance this would result in the military becoming independent of the government, like it has happened in Pakistan....
And FYI CIA is not managed by govt., it is a totally independent organisation....
 
1. RAW is decidedly the most massive organization in the business. It has also huge funds at its disposal quite independent of GOI. Huge investments have been made all over the world - a lesson LTTE had lerant from them. Huge business/industrial syndicates are on board. The richest being the Ambanis. RAW's doctrine is India's doctrine as enshrined in The Arthasastra of Katulya/Chanokya. Hindu religion, local politics and women are used lavishly as weapons. SSB and other paramilitary organizations work in close cohesion for Intel Ops.

2. With all that RAW is not as efficient or effective as one would expect. Bureaucracy is an ailment. There is even trade unionism with instances of RAW employees going on strike!! In recent years more and more retired and even some serving military officers have been inducted in. But this exercise has not been effective because of the jealousy against the military.

3. The reason why ISI, Mossad or CIA are efficient and effective is because they are led by military officers at all level. The environment is totally military. In RAW it is civil bureaucracy all the way.

4. In 1962, Indian Intel heavily funded by US and UK Intel, who still had some listening posts in the Himalayas, had started covert ops in Tibet unknown to Nehru or his cabinet. That was a stray incident, and RAW had not been born. But now, thanks in most part to the mega graft that Indian leaders are involved in, RAW quite often acts free of the political leadership. We in BD are seeing this happening. There is historical reason behind this no doubt. But in Indo-BD affairs, all agreements, treaties, understandings, commitments, etc from India to BD has proved to be totally false. Beginning with the Indira - Mujib Pact of 1974 India has not honored a single commitment - although the current BAL Govt has given them all they asked for.

Lol on Bolled part. So RAW keeps informing about the strikes by there Unions, You must be Union leader.
 
I still dont understand why RAW choose a plane to to this job. Drones would have been much much easier.

because if they could , they would have gone with a drone. the size and weight restrictions on drone vs. these jets ( can carry) tell me the equipment in place has more " stuff" than what can be added on a drone. Keep in mind drones too are ordered for border patrol duties. But to me it's obvious that the sheer amount of EW packages in those jets could not be or have not been replicated to be put into drones.
 
I dont know how this even can make news !! Certain news piece should be purely kept off the records - especially RAW related...jizzz morons will never learn.
 
RAW should partner with the USA on this one:

AeroVironment Global Observer

The Global Observer™ is an AeroVironment concept for a high-altitude, long endurance unmanned aerial vehicle, designed by AeroVironment (AV) to operate as a stratospheric geosynchronous satellite system with regional coverage.

Two Global Observer aircraft, each flying for up to a week at an altitude of 55,000 to 65,000 feet (17,000 to 20,000 m), could alternate coverage over any area on the earth, providing a platform for communications relays, remote sensing, or long-term surveillance.

In addition to flying above weather and above other conventional aircraft, operation at this altitude permits communications and sensor payloads on the aircraft to service an area on the surface of the earth up to 600 miles (970 km) in diameter, equivalent to more than 280,000 square miles (730,000 km2) of coverage. Global Observer may offer greater flexibility than a satellite and longer duration than conventional manned and unmanned aircraft.

The Global Observer is currently in development; its first flight was in August 2010,[1] and the first hydrogen-fueled flight was in January 2011.

from Wikipedia

Or buy this one:

Northrop Grumman RQ-4 Global Hawk
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
RQ-4/MQ-4 Global Hawk

Role Surveillance UAV
National origin United States
Manufacturer Northrop Grumman
First flight February 28th, 1998
Status In service
Primary users United States Air Force
United States Navy
NASA
Luftwaffe
Program cost US$1.635 billion[1]
Unit cost US$104 million (flyaway cost for FY2012)[2]
Variants Scaled Composites Model 396

The Northrop Grumman (formerly Ryan Aeronautical) RQ-4 Global Hawk (known as Tier II+ during development) is an unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) used by the United States Air Force and Navy as a surveillance aircraft.

In role and operational design, the Global Hawk is similar to the Lockheed U-2, the venerable 1950s spy plane. It is a theater commander's asset to provide a broad overview and systematic target surveillance. For this purpose, the Global Hawk is able to provide high resolution Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR)—that can penetrate cloud-cover and sandstorms— and Electro-Optical/Infrared (EO/IR) imagery at long range with long loiter times over target areas. It can survey as much as 40,000 square miles (103,600 square kilometers) of terrain a day.

It is used as a high-altitude platform for surveillance and security. Missions for the Global Hawk cover the spectrum of intelligence collection capability to support forces in worldwide military operations. According to the Air Force, the capabilities of the aircraft allow more precise targeting of weapons and better protection of forces through superior surveillance capabilities.

The Global Hawk costs about US$35 million to procure each aircraft.[3] With development costs included, the unit cost rises to US$218 million.[4]

Initial operational capability was declared for the RQ-4 Block 30 in August 2011. In January 2012, the Air Force announced that no further RQ-4 Block 30 aircraft would be procured, and that the existing fleet would be mothballed to reduce costs.
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Sensor packages

The Global Hawk carries the Hughes Integrated Surveillance & Reconnaissance (HISAR) sensor system.[27] HISAR is a lower-cost derivative of the ASARS-2 package that Hughes developed for the Lockheed U-2. HISAR is also fitted in the US Army's RC-7B Airborne Reconnaissance Low Multifunction (ARLM) manned surveillance aircraft, and is being sold on the international market. HISAR integrates a SAR-MTI system, along with an optical and an infrared imager. All three sensors are controlled and their outputs filtered by a common processor. The digital sensor data can be transmitted at up to 50 Mbit/s to a ground station in real time, either directly or through a communications satellite link.

The SAR-MTI system operates in the X-band and provides a number of operational modes:
The wide-area MTI mode can detect moving targets within a radius of 62 miles (100 kilometers).
The combined SAR-MTI strip mode provides 20 foot (6 meter) resolution over a swath 23 miles (37 kilometers) wide at ranges from 12.4 to 68 miles (20 to 110 kilometers).
The SAR spot mode can provide 6 foot (1.8 meter) resolution over 3.8 square miles (10 square kilometers), as well as provide a sea-surveillance function.

The visible and infrared imagers share the same gimballed sensor package, and use common optics, providing a telescopic close-up capability. It can be optionally fitted with an auxiliary SIGINT package. To improve survivability, the Global Hawk is fitted with a Raytheon developed AN/ALR-89 self-protection suite consisting of the AN/AVR-3 Laser Warning System, AN/APR-49 Radar Warning Receiver and a jamming system. An ALE-50 towed decoy also aids in the Global Hawk's deception of enemy air defenses.[28][29]

In July 2006, the US Air Force began testing segments of the improved Global Hawk Block 30 upgrades in the Benefield Anechoic Facility at Edwards AFB. This version incorporates an extremely sensitive SIGINT processor known as the Advanced Signals Intelligence Payload.[28]

In September 2006, testing began on a new specialty radar system, the Multi-Platform Radar Technology Insertion Program, or MP-RTIP, onboard the Scaled Composites Proteus. Once validated, one Global Hawk will be modified to carry this radar set. Previously, the Air Force was considering a larger variant of the MP-RTIP (known as the Wide-Area Surveillance or WAS sensor) for the cancelled E-10 MC2A testbed or E-8 Joint STARS aircraft.

In August 2010, Northrop announced that a new version, Block 40, was about to commence production; it would have a new sensor capabilities, including MP-RTIP radar, emphasising surveillance over reconnaissance. The Block 40 design also has a modified undercarriage.[30]
 
So all the Pakistani saying that they had better economy than India, before the WOT and India only got ahead is because of Pakistan involvement in WOT is lie then?? Are you calling your own brothers liars?

Pakistan once had the same development rate as South Korea and was considered to be on the same footing, but you guys shot yourself in the foot, now you blame others for your own misery.

On Topic: Are these planes specifically for RAW or are other agencies allowed to borrow them?

Borrow planes ??? Most unlikely. RAW operations is something you never know
Data: Data is also for other agencies. May be just for other agencies as RAW is not involved in physical counter measures :D

Well yeah but I would think that RAW would at least allow other agencies to at least take part in the operation.

Well these planes (along with the other 9 SIGNIT/ELINT a/c that are being procured) are for exclusive use by RAW'S ARC yet on paper it will look like these planes are for IAF.The IAF actually have their own seperate tender for battlefield/EW/SIGNIT a/cs.The 2 a/c mentioned in this RFP are for belly mounted SAR separate to the other RFP as such right now there is a hunt on for 11 spy planes of different types for RAW's ARC at the moment.


+ these planes will be manned by ARC pilots but the data will no doubt be shared to other intel agencies with NRTO being top of that list no doubt.
 
Well these planes (along with the other 9 SIGNIT/ELINT a/c that are being procured) are for exclusive use by RAW'S ARC yet on paper it will look like these planes are for IAF.The IAF actually have their own seperate tender for battlefield/EW/SIGNIT a/cs.The 2 a/c mentioned in this RFP are for belly mounted SAR separate to the other RFP as such right now there is a hunt on for 11 spy planes of different types for RAW's ARC at the moment.


+ these planes will be manned by ARC pilots but the data will no doubt be shared to other intel agencies with NRTO being top of that list no doubt.

I will not agree with all the contentions in the post above.

First of all ARC planes are ARC planes. ARC has no pilots of its own. ARC gets pilots on deputation/secondment from the IAF. When that happens the pilots are under ARC's administrative control. ARC has its own technicians.

ARC may share information with IAF or other agencies but on a "strictly on a need to know" basis. ARC's aircraft will be bought and funded by the ARC. Lastly, the ARC aircraft are very differently configured from IAF aircraft.
 
I will not agree with all the contentions in the post above.

First of all ARC planes are ARC planes. ARC has no pilots of its own. ARC gets pilots on deputation/secondment from the IAF. When that happens the pilots are under ARC's administrative control. ARC has its own technicians.

ARC may share information with IAF or other agencies but on a "strictly on a need to know" basis. ARC's aircraft will be bought and funded by the ARC. Lastly, the ARC aircraft are very differently configured from IAF aircraft.

I am aware that ARC has no pilots and their assets are IAF pilots on deputation but the planes are procured as if the IAF is the procurer and will be the eventual operator but are completely the assets of ARC. However you will find it impossible to find a single peice of paper when it comes to procurement of these a/c mentioning RAW/ARC by name as the actual eventual operators of the craft-the IAF acts as a "front" in this regard.
 
I am aware that ARC has no pilots and their assets are IAF pilots on deputation but the planes are procured as if the IAF is the procurer and will be the eventual operator but are completely the assets of ARC. However you will find it impossible to find a single peice of paper when it comes to procurement of these a/c mentioning RAW/ARC by name as the actual eventual operators of the craft-the IAF acts as a "front" in this regard.

No, that has never been the case. Even the usual tender route does not apply. There is no overlap of funding or control. There are even different ministrys involved. Believe me.
 
India's military regime is a fail.

Who buys Jets all the time? Clearly we are seeing how 'weak' these people are. True engagement against enemies lies on the ground, and not in the air. Lol we are seeing a face of a female that cannot become a man.


Engagements in the ground ....lol....wake up mr.sleepyhead,
Today the sky is the ultimate battlefield and people call india "Mother india" so calling it a woman is ok .

But becoming a man is wat pakk has failed miserably and.the proof is usa which screws u with drone attacks....again....lol.....
 

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