After 17 years of war, top US commander in Afghanistan admits Taliban cannot be defeated

[Verve]

The hijackers were part of Al-Qaeda.
Al-Qaedas leader, Osama bin Laden was in Afghanistan.
Mullah Omar was requested to deport him in a meeting with Pakistan and KSA.
Mullah Omar refused, and insulted personally the KSA prince present at the meeting
That made Afghanistan an ally of Al Qaeda, and ripe for attack.
That has been known for a long time.

Afghanistan, Libya are ungovernable because of Muslim infighting,
Iraq seems in better shape.

No, Taliban demanded proof and trial before handing Osama over. USA didn't accept that condition.

 

[khail007]

The hijackers were part of Al-Qaeda.
Al-Qaedas leader, Osama bin Laden was in Afghanistan.
Mullah Omar was requested to deport him in a meeting with Pakistan and KSA.
Mullah Omar refused, and insulted personally the KSA prince present at the meeting
That made Afghanistan an ally of Al Qaeda, and ripe for attack.
That has been known for a long time.

Your are unaware of the ground realities, OBL was in Sudan and on US wanted list, search yourself who transported him to Afghanistan and what were the interests, what you know since long, always could not be the truth.
Just do some research upon creation and training of the Talibans. What shall you sow, so shall you reap. US started it against Russia and then it blows back.

Afghanistan, Libya are ungovernable because of Muslim infighting,
Iraq seems in better shape.

The US lust to grab money from ME and to soften the grounds for future expansion of Zionism is the main point behind all that mess. The word of 'infighting' is only a lie and deceit.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

No, Taliban demanded proof and trial before handing Osama over. USA didn't accept that condition.

There is nothing that says that the US have to provide proof.
Afghanistan has two choices, throw out Al Qaeda, or assume the status of ally of Al Qaeda.
If the US are mistaken, then they do not have a case.
Since Osama himself claimed responsibility for the 9/11 attacks, we know that they had a case.

Your are unaware of the ground realities, OBL was in Sudan and on US wanted list, search yourself who transported him to Afghanistan and what were the interests, what you know since long, always could not be the truth.
Just do some research upon creation and training of the Talibans. What shall you sow, so shall you reap. US started it against Russia and then it blows back.


The US lust to grab money from ME and to soften the grounds for future expansion of Zionism is the main point behind all that mess. The word of 'infighting' is only a lie and deceit.

There are no US troops in Libya, yet there is fighting - infighting.
Sunnis blowing up Shias in Iraq - infighting.
Taliban attacking Afghan government troops - infighting...

 

[Verve]

There is nothing that says that the US have to provide proof.

Apparently the law doesn't apply to USA.

Tapes/recordings can easily be doctored. USA should have accepted the offer of trial in an international court.

There are no US troops in Libya, yet there is fighting - infighting.
Sunnis blowing up Shias in Iraq - infighting.
Taliban attacking Afghan government troops - infighting...

Libya - USA attacked and overthrew the government
Iraq - USA attacked and overthrew the government
Afghanistan - USA attacked and overthrew the government

See the link?

USA is the biggest firestarter in the recent history.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Apparently the law doesn't apply to USA.

Tapes/recordings can easily be doctored. USA should have accepted the offer of trial in an international court.



Libya - USA attacked and overthrew the government
Iraq - USA attacked and overthrew the government
Afghanistan - USA attacked and overthrew the government

See the link?

USA is the biggest firestarter in the recent history.

There is no law that says that you have to provide proof.
Either a ”neutral” country is harbouring combatants or not.
In this case Afghanistan was harbouring combatants.

Germany - 1945 - the Allies overthrew the government - no significant infighting

 

[maximuswarrior]

blah blah blah, that's what you do, not me.
we're done. have a nice day.

You keep your little good feel speeches to yourself.

Everyone understands and fully grasps the ground reality in Afghanistan.

The Taliban are in full control and they won't let go anytime soon. That is that. You thought you were going to contain China through your little shitty war, but how did that backfire LOL

No one is buying your China containment BS other than India. That too is a lost war.

Apparently the law doesn't apply to USA.

Tapes/recordings can easily be doctored. USA should have accepted the offer of trial in an international court.



Libya - USA attacked and overthrew the government
Iraq - USA attacked and overthrew the government
Afghanistan - USA attacked and overthrew the government

See the link?

USA is the biggest firestarter in the recent history.

Only this time USA got hacked by Russia and papa Trump got installed.

LOL a "military victory" just like USSR in Afghanstan and like USA in Vietnam

Keep telling yourself a lie a thousand times a day and it will eventually become a fake reality.

- Joseph Goebbels

i nearly choked on my tea when i read this headline

the Taliban can be "defeated" (that population re-educated under policing force and a replacing of all their Holy Books with a more moderate version, like Holy books have been replaced by force in entire regions quite a few times earlier in history all over the world)

we've always offered the Taliban the option to stick to themselves, to mind their own business, which includes leaving the moderates in their country in peace,

but know that with enough troops and money spent over a significant time, and just a few smart determined commanders with the right plan of action to enforce this cultural change, we do have the option of doing this.

the real question is : are the Taliban foolish enough to once again host training camps for attacks on western soft or hard targets, and foolish enough to do this often enough to force us into this monetarily expensive solution?

a nasty fact is that we can afford less to care about attacks on moderates in Afghanistan or Pakistan if those governments won't support a decisive push against extremists'/fundamentalists' expansionist ambitions.
and the troops to change the Holy books in Taliban regions, would have to be moderates from that region too. And yes, it would require more effort, much more effort, for those books to become the actual social guidelines for a Taliban-like population.

but attacks on western targets, especially double attacks or sequences of attacks, or growing of domestic muslim terrorists in western countries with a significant percentage of Muslims living there proven to be orchestrated from a Taliban stronghold,
would force us nearer to a solution like this, although budget restraints will probably restrict the actual defensive activities to things like drone strikes on Taliban commanders.

the Taliban has a simple and very real chance, at all times, to prevent such drastic action against their leaders and soldiers.
refrain from attacking anyone. do not think revenge sends any message but a need to be defeated yet again.

it's bad enough women seeking actual love in a bad marriage in Taliban regions, get stoned to death for that.
i'd love to see that changed, and frankly i don't care how much force it would take.
but.. unfortunately i'm not in charge of the military policy for the Taliban regions, so i can't do anything for the defenseless innocents tortured and killed by the more absurd social rules of groups like the Taliban. i wish i could. i would be moderate, wise, swift, unpredictable yet trustable, and ruthless only whenever necessary, with my use of force.
i would not risk the lives of my troops or see my troops take my enemies' lives without the most dire of need created by the enemy.

fight like that, and eventually enemies do reach a compromise.

and guess what? that's exactly what the US military has been doing when it comes to attacks by the Taliban outside their own territory. This war is a nasty asymmetrical war, but currently it stands as a win for both the west and the Taliban itself.

Taliban, we know how you treat those who can't defend themselves, and our very large populations don't approve of such "policing" of your own population.

So if you cross the line, you'll get "the treatment" (pruning by drone force most likely), again, and again, every time you cross the line of attacking people outside your own borders. I wish we could just culture-change you by force. You fully deserve that.

Your governments and forces are doing a terrific job of propping up Afghan warlords who sodomize young boys. That much credit has to be given to you.

It is always very joyous to read your lenghty fantasies and wishes. If only fantasies could become realities. 17 years of utter failure. You should really land back on planet earth now. Just call it a day. It won't be like you planned. It is better to accept and move on.

I should be more worried about insider attacks. Just yesterday's news:

U.S. soldier in Afghanistan is killed in insider attack

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...2dee3c-df63-11e8-b732-3c72cbf131f2_story.html

 

[BATMAN]

May be US general should talk more technical and explain in detail, how it was possible!
It's not joke to defeat US military machine, while they have drones, helis, fighter jets, and other technological advantage over local freedom fighters aka Talibans.
Not even best of Pakistan army commandos can save them self on ground if they are being shot upon from sky.
Nah... i don't get it. Specially considering, there are troops from UK as well working together with US. Not to mention the ruling northern alliance which was and is religious enemy of Taliban.

 

[maximuswarrior]

May be US general should talk more technical and explain in detail, how it was possible!
It's not joke to defeat US military machine, while they have drones, helis, fighter jets, and other technological advantage over local freedom fighters aka Talibans.
Not even best of Pakistan army commandos can save them self on ground if they are being shot upon from sky.
Nah... i don't get it. Specially considering, there are troops from UK as well working together with US. Not to mention the ruling northern alliance which was and is religious enemy of Taliban.

Let me tell you where this war was lost. The whole bogus narrative to free Afghans from tyranny fell apart the moment US/NATO forces decided to bring their Northern Alliance stooges to the forefront. The US/NATO wanted to liberate Afghans by pushing them into the lap of child molesting and women hating warlords LOL You cannot win a war when you play divide and conquer by propping up certain groups against others. You are bound to fail if you try to play this game against Pashtun. They tried the same thing in Iraq between various ethnic factions and everyone knows how that ended up. Dishonesty is never rewarded. You reap what you sow. They can blame and beg Pakistan or Timbuktu all year long. It won't make an iota of difference on the ground in Afghanistan. The seeds of child molesting warlords cannot be reversed. Afghanistan is a cursed and doomed hellhole and US/NATO contributed mightily in this regard.

 

[LeGenD]

Let me tell you where this war was lost. The whole bogus narrative to free Afghans from tyranny fell apart the moment US/NATO forces decided to bring their Northern Alliance stooges to the forefront. The US/NATO wanted to liberate Afghans by pushing them into the lap of child molesting and women hating warlords LOL You cannot win a war when you play divide and conquer by propping up certain groups against others. You are bound to fail if you try to play this game against Pashtun. They tried the same thing in Iraq between various ethnic factions and everyone knows how that ended up. Dishonesty is never rewarded. You reap what you sow. They can blame and beg Pakistan or Timbuktu all year long. It won't make an iota of difference on the ground in Afghanistan. The seeds of child molesting warlords cannot be reversed.

You have a point in regards to situation in Afghanistan [I agree with your view to an extent] but they have Iraq under control and influence.

Key difference between Iraq and Afghanistan is this: Afghanistan is landlocked and this geographical situation have made it impractical for US to decisively defeat Afghan Taliban in the South [Afghan Taliban is not just strong in the South but also have footprint in Iran and Pakistan]. US have direct access to Iraq from the Arabian Ocean, and also from Kuwait.

Regardless, you can also check my observations which highlight another reality.

 

[PeaceGen]

You keep your little good feel speeches to yourself.

Everyone understands and fully grasps the ground reality in Afghanistan.

The Taliban are in full control and they won't let go anytime soon. That is that. You thought you were going to contain China through your little shitty war, but how did that backfire LOL

No one is buying your China containment BS other than India. That too is a lost war.



Only this time USA got hacked by Russia and papa Trump got installed.



Keep telling yourself a lie a thousand times a day and it will eventually become a fake reality.

- Joseph Goebbels



Your governments and forces are doing a terrific job of propping up Afghan warlords who sodomize young boys. That much credit has to be given to you.

It is always very joyous to read your lenghty fantasies and wishes. If only fantasies could become realities. 17 years of utter failure. You should really land back on planet earth now. Just call it a day. It won't be like you planned. It is better to accept and move on.

I should be more worried about insider attacks. Just yesterday's news:

U.S. soldier in Afghanistan is killed in insider attack

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...2dee3c-df63-11e8-b732-3c72cbf131f2_story.html

This is an open forum. If you don't like an opinion, don't respond with repeated lies and verbal attacks. It proves you stupid to those who read this forum.
You ignore all arguments of facts that can be checked in open source news history, that i bring forth, calling it 'a good feel speech'.
it's a listing of the facts that prove you to be blurting out lies and false claims of victory.

 

[BATMAN]

Let me tell you where this war was lost. The whole bogus narrative to free Afghans from tyranny fell apart the moment US/NATO forces decided to bring their Northern Alliance stooges to the forefront. The US/NATO wanted to liberate Afghans by pushing them into the lap of child molesting and women hating warlords LOL You cannot win a war when you play divide and conquer by propping up certain groups against others. You are bound to fail if you try to play this game against Pashtun. They tried the same thing in Iraq between various ethnic factions and everyone knows how that ended up. Dishonesty is never rewarder. You reap what you sow.

Northern Alliance are not Afghans, previously they were Iranian influenced Tajiks and now CIA influenced Uzbeks joined the ranks as well.
The true Afghan nation has been subjected to genocide, during past 10-15 years.
There's hardly a village, which wasn't invaded by the rapists and child abductees.
Now where does northern alliance use abducted kids, is anyone's guess, because Afghanistan is only open to the non friendly states of Pakistan... e.g Iran, India, Israel, UK and US.
In short, Afghanistan has been party place for the listed countries for past 10-15 years.
However India is step ahead of them all, it has been using abducted Pashtoons to change India's demography. Well see results pretty soon.

 

[SabzShaheen]

The Taliban can be defeated. The US knows this and is lying. They want to maintain their presence in Afghanistan to keep a lookout on Iran, Pakistan, Russia and China in their backyards. They want to maintain a puppet regime in Afghanistan and portray Pakistan and Pakistan as their enemies through blame games and other types of propaganda to raise generations of Afghan terrorists who harm Pakistan.

 

[BATMAN]

Afghanistan is landlocked

Afghanistan may be land locked, but they have all borders open till Europe.

 

[MultaniGuy]

USA should do a political solution with the Afghan Taliban and get the hell out of Afghanistan.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

May be US general should talk more technical and explain in detail, how it was possible!
It's not joke to defeat US military machine, while they have drones, helis, fighter jets, and other technological advantage over local freedom fighters aka Talibans.
Not even best of Pakistan army commandos can save them self on ground if they are being shot upon from sky.
Nah... i don't get it. Specially considering, there are troops from UK as well working together with US. Not to mention the ruling northern alliance which was and is religious enemy of Taliban.

The US general say that the Taliban cannot be defeated, that is not the same as saying that the Taliban has defeated the US. The Taliban are defeated every year, but they than recruit and train new Talibans for next year.
The irony is that if the Talibans would stop trying to take over the country, and accepted a political solution, the US would leave voluntarily.
The Taliban are not that smart that they realize this.