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Afghanistan: Fleeing the Taliban into Pakistan and leaving dreams behind

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With the Taliban taking control of Afghanistan, thousands have fled their homes in fear. While much of the attention has focused on the crowds thronging Kabul airport, thousands of others have fled to neighbouring Pakistan over the Chaman border. Shumaila Jaffery speaks to some of them.
The Chaman Spin Boldak border is one of the busiest crossings between Pakistan and Afghanistan with thousands of traders and travellers passing through this dusty town every day.
But these days, the traffic from the Afghan side is particularly high as thousands flee possible persecution by the Taliban.
From dawn till dusk they pour in - hundreds of men with luggage on their shoulders, burqa-clad women walking briskly behind their men, children clinging to their mothers, exhausted in the scorching heat, and even patients pushed on wheelbarrows.
'They will raid our houses'
Zirqoon Bibi*, a 57-year-old woman belonging to the minority Hazara community, has only just arrived in Pakistan when I meet her.
The Hazara group has been persecuted by the Taliban in the past, with a recent brutal attack on some men of the community reigniting fears of what Taliban rule would look like for them.
"My heart is burning (with pain)" she repeatedly sobs when I ask how she is. "I ask myself what will become of my son, my only son".
Her son, who works for a British company, has been trying to leave the country without success.
She says she already lost her daughter-in-law to a bomb blast by the Taliban targeting the Hazara community a few years ago.
"I felt so lost (after her death) that I couldn't sleep for a long time. The Taliban are terrible people, I am scared of them".
Satellite image of Spin Boldak crossing

Before arriving in Pakistan, Zirqoon Bibi was housed in a small makeshift camp on the border with around 24 other Hazara women and children from different parts of Afghanistan.
She left her home in the capital Kabul along with her two daughters and granddaughter.
As she speaks, her granddaughter sits on her lap, completely oblivious to the fact that she has no home now.
"I don't care about my house or our belongings, I am only worried for my son and his daughter," Zirqoon Bibi says while gently massaging the child's shoulders.
"Where can I go? what can I do? I have put this girl's mother in the grave with my own hands. It takes a lot of effort and love to raise children, I can't lose another one".
Zarmeeney Begum*, a 60-year-old Afghan who is a Shia Muslim, has also just arrived with a group of other women. Shia Muslims in Afghanistan have been targeted by the Taliban in the past.
She says when her community received news of the Taliban takeover, they felt they had no option but to leave Afghanistan.
Crowds at Chaman Spin Boldak border

image captionElderly people and patients were transported in wheelbarrows
"We fear the Taliban will resume their acts of terrorism again. They will conduct raids on our houses. They are already looking for government officials. We feel that bombings may start any day," she says.
'Disrupted futures'
Many of the new arrivals are young Afghan men and women who feel that their futures have now become uncertain.
Among them is Muhammad Ahmer* who was studying and working as an English language instructor in Kabul.
He is still in disbelief over how quickly Kabul fell.
"It was so unbelievable. To be honest, we didn't know they would take all of Kabul in just one night. But I was only scared about my school and my education," he said.
He said he currently doesn't know what to do next, but is certain that his future doesn't belong to Afghanistan under the current rule.
"I want to make my own choices in life, I want freedom, so I am not going back."
Crowds at Chaman Spin Boldak border

image captionBusiness is bad and unemployment rates are through the roof, said some who are migrating to find work in Pakistan
Jamal Khan*, also a student in Kabul, has similar sentiments.
"Everybody wants to live in their homes, but we were forced to leave Afghanistan. We are not feeling good about migrating to Pakistan or other countries, all people are worried, but they don't have any hope," he says.
Others say there is no hope of survival under the Taliban.
Obaidullah*, a labourer from Kandahar says he decided to flee to Pakistan because "businesses are destroyed, there is no government and the economy is in complete shambles".
"The situation in Kandahar is normal, but there is no work, I have come here so I can find some work, I will probably drive a rickshaw," he said.
Meanwhile, the Taliban has been trying to portray a more restrained image since its takeover. This is reflected in the stance of one foot soldier who stops to talk to us at the border.
He insists the situation is completely peaceful now and says the "trauma of the Afghan people will end as soon as foreign occupation forces leave the country".
"It's only a trust issue, people will soon know that we mean what we have promised," he adds.
Crowds at Chaman Spin Boldak border

image captionThousands cross the Chaman Spin Boldak every day, but the influx from Afghanistan has been exceptionally high since the Taliban took over
But even as people pour in, they say these words mean little.
"The Taliban may act differently this time, but people who have suffered from their hands in the past are not ready to trust them yet," says Mr Ahmer.
They flee even though they know their futures are uncertain.
Pakistan is already hosting millions of Afghans and says it cannot deal with another influx.
Many believe it's only a matter of time before Islamabad completely halts their entry.
The Pakistan government has already said that unlike the 1980s, when millions of Afghans came over following the Soviet invasion, this time refugee camps would be set up on the borders and Afghans would not be allowed into the heartland.
So far however, people are free to enter the country through the Chaman Spin Boldak border. But they understand the window is small, so they are willing to take any risk to get out.
Where they can go after that remains to be seen.
 
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The Pakistan government has already said that unlike the 1980s, when millions of Afghans came over following the Soviet invasion, this time refugee camps would be set up on the borders and Afghans would not be allowed into the heartland.


So far however, people are free to enter the country through the Chaman Spin Boldak border.

So which one is it? Are we allowing Afghan refugees or not? Just yesterday there was a story of NLC people deployed at border asking bribes from Afghans leaving the country. I hope some corrupt assholes are not letting everyone in after getting paid.

Asking for bribes from poor people in trouble is a lowest someone can stoop to. But then again, even Pakistanis are not spared what can one say about Afghans. Just go to any police station, court katchehri to see how poor majboor people are forced to pay bribes for simple things.
 
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Would Imran Khan revisit his statement of 'Afghans breaking shackles of slavery' ?
Afghan people are running away from Afghanistan in fear of being put under slavery now.
 
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Would Imran Khan revisit his statement of 'Afghans breaking shackles of slavery' ?
Afghan people are running away from Afghanistan in fear of being put under slavery now.

It's sad but Pakistan cannot afford to have a pro indi govt in Kabul, the day India tried to harm Pakistan through Afghanistan was the day, the previous regime was doomed.
 
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It's sad but Pakistan cannot afford to have a pro indi govt in Kabul, the day India tried to harm Pakistan through Afghanistan was the day, the previous regime was doomed.
When majority common Afghans are pro-Indian and anti-Pakistani, any democratically elected Afghan govt is bound to be pro-Indian. However, assuming that India had any nefarious role in Pakistan through Afghanistan is a speculation.
The reality is that the lawlessness after the regime's fall in Afghanistan will hit Pakistan harder than any so-called Indian design through earlier regime.
It's sad but Pakistan cannot afford to have a pro indi govt in Kabul, the day India tried to harm Pakistan through Afghanistan was the day, the previous regime was doomed.
Are you then in agreement that Imran Khan's statement was incorrect.
 
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When majority common Afghans are pro-Indian and anti-Pakistani, any democratically elected Afghan govt is bound to be pro-Indian. However, assuming that India had any nefarious role in Pakistan through Afghanistan is a speculation.
The reality is that the lawlessness after the regime's fall in Afghanistan will hit Pakistan harder than any so-called Indian design through earlier regime.

Are you then in agreement that Imran Khan's statement was incorrect.

India has been trying to destroy us from day 1. We have no choice but to defend ourselves.
 
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Its your speculation. From day 1, India wanted nothing more than to progress peacefully.
You initiated 1965 war trying to take Kashmir from us.
In 1971, your brutality in East Pak forced us to intervene and help BD people.
Again, you initiated 1999 Kargil conflict.

Tell me one war which India initiated since independence.

And the way you are defending yourself by creating and helping Taliban will only bring ISIS next to your doorstep. And you know better than to bring a devil next door. Sooner or later, devil will invade and consume your house.


Yaar don't talk shit

You occupied a Muslim state in Kashmir

There will never be peace in South Asia because of India's actions

This is your fault and as hindutva extremism spreads, the poison makes peace impossible
 
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Its your speculation. From day 1, India wanted nothing more than to progress peacefully.
You initiated 1965 war trying to take Kashmir from us.
In 1971, your brutality in East Pak forced us to intervene and help BD people.
Again, you initiated 1999 Kargil conflict.

Tell me one war which India initiated since independence.

And the way you are defending yourself by creating and helping Taliban will only bring ISIS next to your doorstep. And you know better than to bring a devil next door. Sooner or later, devil will invade and consume your house.
Its your speculation. From day 1, India wanted nothing more than to progress peacefully.
You initiated 1965 war trying to take Kashmir from us.
In 1971, your brutality in East Pak forced us to intervene and help BD people.
Again, you initiated 1999 Kargil conflict.

Tell me one war which India initiated since independence.

And the way you are defending yourself by creating and helping Taliban will only bring ISIS next to your doorstep. And you know better than to bring a devil next door. Sooner or later, devil will invade and consume your house.






@waz @The Eagle @Kambojaric @Foxtrot Alpha @Irfan Baloch @krash @jaibi


This indian troll is spreading anti-Pakistani propaganda of Pakistan having started wars. Has 0 evidence for his claims. Is this acceptable? This is potentially leading to PDF becoming a platform for indian lies and propaganda.
 
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Yaar don't talk shit

You occupied a Muslim state in Kashmir

There will never be peace in South Asia because of India's actions

This is your fault and as hindutva extremism spreads, the poison makes peace impossible
The onus of peace is on Pakistani military.
We have made ourselves abundantly clear that we do not want your territory and nor will give ours. If we had wanted, we could have wrenched Pak Kashmir when you were at your weakest after 1971 defeat. But we did not want to continue the conflict.

J&K merged with us through the legal act of assension by its ruler. Also, its primary leader and party at the time was in favor of India. So drop your victimhood act there.
@waz @The Eagle @Kambojaric @Foxtrot Alpha @Irfan Baloch @krash @jaibi


This indian troll is spreading anti-Pakistani propaganda of Pakistan having started wars. Has 0 evidence for his claims. Is this acceptable? This is potentially leading to PDF becoming a platform for indian lies and propaganda.
Instead of crying propaganda, prove with neutral sources any claim I made is false.
And if mods take any action against me without explanation of what rule I broke, I would have to consider them as biased as well.
@waz @The Eagle @Kambojaric @Foxtrot Alpha @Irfan Baloch @krash @jaibi
 
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The onus of peace is on Pakistani military.
We have made ourselves abundantly clear that we do not want your territory and nor will give ours. If we had wanted, we could have wrenched Pak Kashmir when you were at your weakest after 1971 defeat. But we did not want to continue the conflict.

J&K merged with us through the legal act of assension by its ruler. Also, its primary leader and party at the time was in favor of India. So drop your victimhood act there.

Instead of crying propaganda, prove with neutral sources any claim I made is false.
And if mods take any action against me without explanation of what rule I broke, I would have to consider them as biased as well.





@waz @The Eagle @Kambojaric @Foxtrot Alpha @Irfan Baloch @krash @jaibi


Spreading more indian lies and propaganda. Is this acceptable? Why is PDF being used as a platform for indian lies, propaganda and FAKE news?
 
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When majority common Afghans are pro-Indian and anti-Pakistani, any democratically elected Afghan govt is bound to be pro-Indian. However, assuming that India had any nefarious role in Pakistan through Afghanistan is a speculation.
you assume the Afghanistan society to have same understanding of democracy as preached by what they call foreigners. like India, Afghanistan is highly communal and tribal and like India any imposed democracy threatens the region not just the immediate neighbors.

Do you want natural migration from conflict zones to stop because as an indian you feel you can defy logic and reasoning?
The reality is that the lawlessness after the regime's fall in Afghanistan will hit Pakistan harder than any so-called Indian design through earlier regime.
reality is isis has more Indians than Pakistanis in her ranks. the constant lynchings in India provide steady stream of recruit which are then directed towards Pakistan.

they will eventually turn against you and all you would do is blame Pakistan
 
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you assume the Afghanistan society to have same understanding of democracy as preached by what they call foreigners. like India, Afghanistan is highly communal and tribal and like India any imposed democracy threatens the region not just the immediate neighbors.
I do not care if Afghan people want democracy, monarchy or dictatorship as long as the people there are happy with it and the regime does not work against India.
I merely stated the obvious that if majority Afghans are pro-India, then any truly representative govt will likely be pro-India as well.
We are not in the business of imposing any form of govt on other nations. We are not the US.

Do you want natural migration from conflict zones to stop because as an indian you feel you can defy logic and reasoning?
I am not asking any migration to stop. I merely stated that this migration is a direct result of Taliban takeover of Afg.

reality is isis has more Indians than Pakistanis in her ranks. the constant lynchings in India provide steady stream of recruit which are then directed towards Pakistan.
they will eventually turn against you and all you would do is blame Pakistan
Any source to back up your claim that ISIS has more Indians than Pakistanis. In any case, we do not support any Indian who goes to ISIS. Capture them, kill them, deport them to us - we do not care.
We have Pakistan as a buffer state against ISIS / Taliban. Yes, if and when they engulf Pak, they will next threaten India. So it is in India's interest as well that Pakistan does not encourage Taliban / ISIS.
 
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I merely stated the obvious that if majority Afghans are pro-India, then any truly representative govt will likely be pro-India as well.
We are not in the business of imposing any form of govt on other nations. We are not the US.
Every other minister in India has made claims of making and breaking governments from Malaysia to Madagascar. The Indian war machine aka economy, has bullied smaller countries dependant on her trade for good number of decades.
I am not asking any migration to stop. I merely stated that this migration is a direct result of Taliban takeover of Afg.
A. There's no government in Afghanistan.
B. Transition of power has never happened smoothly in Afghanistan.
C. Migration pattern suggest this is normal.
Any source to back up your claim that ISIS has more Indians than Pakistanis.
Plenty.

Use the search option or dig up the MoAB attack victims in Nangahar.
 
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