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Afghanistan Exit Is Seen as Peril to C.I.A. Drone Mission
Sunday January 26, 2014

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Defiance by President Hamid Karzai has American officials studying security options.

WASHINGTON — The risk that President Obama may be forced to pull all American troops out of Afghanistan by the end of the year has set off concerns inside the American intelligence agencies that they could lose their air bases used for drone strikes against Al Qaeda in Pakistan and for responding to a nuclear crisis in the region.

Until now, the debate here and in Kabul about the size and duration of an American-led allied force in Afghanistan after 2014 had focused on that country’s long-term security. But these new concerns also reflect how troop levels in Afghanistan directly affect long-term American security interests in neighboring Pakistan, according to administration, military and intelligence officials.

The concern has become serious enough that the Obama administration has organized a team of intelligence, military and policy specialists to devise alternatives to mitigate the damage if a final security deal cannot be struck with the Afghan president, Hamid Karzai, who has declined to enact an agreement that American officials thought was completed last year.

If Mr. Obama ultimately withdrew all American troops from Afghanistan, the C.I.A.’s drone bases in the country would have to be closed, according to administration officials, because it could no longer be protected.

Their concern is that the nearest alternative bases are too far away for drones to reach the mountainous territory in Pakistan where the remnants of Al Qaeda’s central command are hiding. Those bases would also be too distant to monitor and respond as quickly as American forces can today if there were a crisis in the region, such as missing nuclear material or weapons in Pakistan and India.

A senior administration official, asked about the preparations, responded by email on Sunday that as the possibility of a pullout “has grown in Afghanistan, we have been undertaking a methodical review of any U.S. capabilities that may be affected and developing strategies to mitigate impacts.”

The official added that the administration was determined to find alternatives, if necessary. “We will be forced to adapt,” the official said, “and while perhaps less than most efficient, the United States will find ways necessary to protect our interests.”

The issue is coming to the fore after the Pentagon recently presented Mr. Obama with two options for the end of the year. One option calls for a presence through the end of Mr. Obama’s term of 10,000 American troops who could train Afghan troops, conduct counterterrorism raids and protect the American facilities, including those in eastern Afghanistan where drones and nuclear monitoring are based.

Under the other, so-called zero option, no American troops would remain. The United States has said that if it is unable to reach a final security arrangement with Mr. Karzai, it is prepared, reluctantly, to pull out completely, as it did in Iraq in 2011.

Mr. Obama has made “no decisions” on troop levels, said Caitlin M. Hayden, the spokeswoman for the National Security Council. “We will be weighing inputs from our military commanders, as well as the intelligence community, our diplomats and development experts, as we make decisions about our-post 2014 presence in Afghanistan,” she said.

In his State of the Union address on Tuesday night, however, Mr. Obama is expected to say that by the end of this year the Afghan war will be over — at least for Americans — slightly more than 13 years after it began, making it the longest in American history.

Mr. Obama’s hope is to keep 8,000 to 12,000 troops — most of them Americans, some from allies — in Afghanistan after the NATO combat mission ends this year. The resurgence of Al Qaeda’s affiliate in Iraq, combining with insurgents in Syria, has offered a sobering reminder of the consequences of the American decision to withdraw all its troops from Iraq. Mr. Karzai seems to be betting that the damage that a withdrawal would do to American intelligence operations is so great that he may be able to strike a better deal.

Even though the zero option has few supporters in the administration, the idea has gained renewed credence with each day that Mr. Karzai delays signing the security accord and poses new demands to the United States. “Karzai has believed for some time that he has this leverage — that we need him and his bases more than he needs us,” said Daniel Markey, a former State Department official and the author of “No Exit From Pakistan,” published last year.

Secretary of State John Kerry is to meet Pakistan’s foreign and national security policy adviser, Sartaj Aziz, here on Monday, and counterterrorism operations are to be a major subject of discussion, a senior State Department official said Sunday. Talking with Pakistan about its nuclear program is especially delicate.

In recent years the country has accelerated its drive to build small tactical nuclear weapons — similar to what the United States placed in Europe during the Cold War — that could be used to repel an invasion from India. But those weapons are considered more vulnerable to theft or use by a rogue commander, and they are one reason that American intelligence agencies have invested so heavily in monitoring the Pakistani arsenal.

A scare in 2009, when the United States feared that nuclear materials or a weapon was missing in Pakistan, led Mr. Obama to order the basing of a permanent monitoring and search capability in the region.

But the complexities of bringing those capabilities to an end are forcing the intelligence agencies, which run the covert strikes into Pakistan and monitor nuclear events around the world, to scramble. Their base inside Pakistan was closed after a shooting involving a C.I.A. security contractor, Raymond Davis, and the raid into Pakistani territory that killed Osama bin Laden, both in 2011.

Crucial to the surveillance of Bin Laden’s house in Abbottabad was the use of an RQ-170 drone. Pakistani officials talked openly in the weeks after that raid about their fear that the unmanned aircraft was also being used to monitor their nuclear arsenal, now believed to be the fastest growing in the world. The raid, and those drones, came out of American facilities just over the Afghan border.

“You hear about the president’s decision of the ‘zero option’ in the context of the future of Afghanistan, but this is really more about Pakistan,” said one former senior intelligence official who has consulted with the Pentagon and intelligence agencies about the problem. “That’s where the biggest problem is.”

The C.I.A.’s drone bases in Afghanistan, including one in the eastern part of the country, allow operators to respond quickly to fresh intelligence. The proximity to Pakistan’s tribal areas also allows the Predator drones and their larger, faster cousin, the Reaper, to fly longer missions without having to return to base.

“There certainly is an interdependence between the military and the intelligence community in Afghanistan,” one senior administration official said.

The Reapers, the newest, largest and most capable of the unmanned armed vehicles, have a range of up to 1,100 miles. That puts Pakistan’s tribal areas within range of some bases the American military has flown from, especially in Kyrgyzstan, where for more than a decade the Pentagon has conducted air operations, include cargo and troop flights, out of a base at Manas. But the United States said last fall that it would pull out of that base in July.

Other allied countries are within the Reaper’s range — in the Persian Gulf, for example. But the distances would be too great to carry out drone operations effectively, officials said, and it is very unlikely that any of those nations would approve launching the diplomatically sensitive strikes missions from their soil.

“There’s no easy alternative to Afghanistan,” one former senior American counterterrorism official said.

Afghanistan Exit Is Seen as Peril to C.I.A. Drone Mission
 
So after all truth is coming out. It's all about Pakistan nuclear...

Bhai sahib

Try to read the whole thing

it says


if there were a crisis in the region, such as missing nuclear material or weapons in Pakistan and India.


Why the these guys drag India in to this?

Because Indian baboos drag others too.
 
Well they can launch them from aircraft carriers.

I am not sure whether Global hawk can take up missiles or not but it does has a range of more than 8,000 miles
 
U.S. Concerned About Pakistani Nuke Security, Secret Budget Reveals

U.S. intelligence officials are far more worried about the security of Pakistan's nuclear weapons and materials than the government has publicly admitted, according to a report on the secret budget for U.S. intelligence operations that was leaked to the Washington Post by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden.

The intelligence community has significantly heightened its efforts to keep tabs not only on Pakistan's nuclear weapons but also on chemical and biological facilities in the violence-wracked South Asian nation, according to the so-called "black budget" for fiscal 2013. That classified U.S. spending plan covers the operations of a number of U.S. spy agencies involved in covert activities, counterintelligence and surveillance.

The 178-page summary of the secret budget reveals that the United States has grown more suspicious of Pakistan, and also has carried out a much broader intelligence-collection effort of its supposed security partner than was previously known, the Post reported.

"Knowledge of the security of Pakistan's nuclear weapons and associated material encompassed one of the most critical set of ... intelligence gaps," reportedly states the budget overview, which was signed by U.S. National Intelligence Director James Clapper. This lack of information is especially troubling in light of "the political instability, terrorist threat and expanding inventory (of nuclear weapons) in that country," the document is said to read.

The budget overview does not disclose the specific amount of money spent on surveillance of Pakistan, though it does indicate the country is a focus of U.S. nonproliferation and anti-terrorism efforts.

The U.S. intelligence community requested roughly $6.9 billion for fiscal 2013 to fund efforts to limit the spread of weapons of mass destruction and $16.6 billion to combat al-Qaida and other terrorist organizations. When combined, those two areas take up close to 50 percent of the spy agencies' desired funding for the current fiscal year, which ends Sept. 30.

U.S. spy agencies are concentrating on two especially troubling possibilities in Pakistan: the chance that atomic sites in the nation would be assaulted by local extremist groups, and that radical militants would be able to infiltrate the military or intelligence agencies, giving them a better position to gain access to nuclear materials or to mount an insider attack, according to the article.

The United States does not know much about how Pakistani nuclear material is channeled through the various facilities involved in the warhead program. U.S. worries about the country's nuclear weapons seem to be the result of just how little information is known than by any particular information that would suggest a security gap, the Post concludes after reviewing the budget documents.

The budget summary reportedly contains a table that lists a minimum of six areas where information about Pakistan's nuclear weapon activities is deemed lacking. The Post does not disclose what those six areas are.

The U.S. intelligence community's formation of a Pakistan WMD Analysis Cell to monitor the physical status of atomic substances was seen as helpful in providing a "more comprehensive understanding of strategic weapons security in Pakistan," the document is said to state.

Still, "the number of gaps associated with Pakistani nuclear security remains the same," the budget overview reportedly says, and "the questions associated with this intractable target are more complex."

Multiple mentions in the secret document about the augmentation of U.S. surveillance over Pakistani biological and chemical research facilities is thought to be the result of concerns that extremist organizations might attempt to steal WMD-relevant substances from the state-managed laboratories, according to the Post.

The United States also is monitoring the security of neighboring India's nuclear activities, the budget report is said to state.
 
Pakistan Nukes were & are the target of US. This is the reason why they are in Afghanistan & they are delaying the pull out. Pak Army is desperatley waiting for US withdrawl from Afghanistan but I don't see that happening anytime soon beacuse US is going to come up with epic excuse to stay in Aghanistan & we will see some new games played against Pakistan.
 
...if there were a crisis in the region, such as missing nuclear material or weapons in Pakistan and India.....

I think Dajjal should be more worried about it's own thermals.

Because:
1) It's the ONLY one who ever used them, Twice.
2) It's the ONLY one who ever lost control over them. Thrice. at least.


*Once in August of 2007, on a B-52, they "accidently" loaded 6 live cruise missiles. Then 6-7 crew from involved airbases died in car\bike accidents in coming months. Remember!

*Then again in 2010 ((LINK)), their surveillance of their Hydrogen-ones was switched off accidently, for almost an hour. Some Veterans in a press conference claimed it was switched off by aliens...o_O remember anyone.

*Then a third time: ((Link))... ((Video Link)). cover story of Gambling to soothe the sheeple.


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This has been debunked. The chainletter mentions people from Minot airbase who died under "mysterious" circumstances.
Problem is half of them died BEFORE the incident and none were the actual crew of the plane.
However it is true the nukes were accidentally loaded on a B52.

Not half of them, just 2 of them died few days earlier. But so many suicides & vehicle accidents so close to incidence & involving crew from involved bases...!!! A common way of agencies to kill someone & make it look like a suicide or a vehicle accident or drug over-dose...

Even if 2 of them died little prior to incident, that does NOT rule out foul play. As this "accidental-loading of B-52" wasn't really an accident. Planning must have been going on for long prior to incident... Accident was a cover story. Of course no one would tell people they deliberately flew 6 live nuclear cruise missiles on B-52 across US width. May be those who resisted taking part in such activity were killed earlier than incidence on 29th-Aug-2007; since they were privy to the matter now; had to be silenced.


1-Todd Blue - Minot AFB(Airforce Base) - Died Sep-2007 (LINK) (Shot himself in head; allegedly)
2-a married couple;Senior Airman Clint Huff of Barksdale, and his wife Linda died on Sept.15, 2007.
3-Adam Barrs died= Car Accident. Car driven by Stephen Garrett - Minot AFB=July-5th, 2007
4-Weston Kissel - Minot AFB = July-20th, 2007 = motorcycle accident
5-John Frueh - suicide again. Aug. 30, 2007..
6-Jonathan Bayless - Minot AFB= died 3 Feb 2009... 2 years later.! Might be unrelated.
7-Thomas L. Tinsley - Alleged of breach in following the standards while handling nukes. = Suicide on 28 Jul 2008


And then story continues with OBL-team's copter crash, & suicide-again of Officer Job W. Price....... DC.Madam who was to expose private life of top notch committed suicide too, even though she had said on record that she had no intention to kill herself.
Even Lee Harvey Oswald's death was similar phenomenon.



 
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*Once in August of 2007, on a B-52, they "accidently" loaded 6 live cruise missiles. Then 6-7 crew from involved airbases died in car\bike accidents in coming months. Remember!

This has been debunked. The chainletter mentions people from Minot airbase who died under "mysterious" circumstances.
Problem is half of them died BEFORE the incident and none were the actual crew of the plane.
However it is true the nukes were accidentally loaded on a B52.
 
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But i read some where the drones gonna stay in the region...... (even after 2014)
 
lol , this is knows from long ago and American gov. lied to public that they are in Afghanistan for 9/11 revenge against Talibans
They are in afghanistan to monitor Pak Nukes and they have failed in doing so, CIA and Pentagon failed from last 13 years or so, and in there frustration they have killed innocents through drones..

Shame on American public and Americans in general to believe in what ever there gov. CIA and Pentagon says about Afghanistan war...
It was about Pakistan, it is about Pakistan and it will be about Pakistan...

But the funny thing is they (CIA, Pentagon) failed to keep an eye on their own nukes, and there are reports of mishandled nukes in USA by forces lol
 
lol , this is knows from long ago and American gov. lied to public that they are in Afghanistan for 9/11 revenge against Talibans
They are in afghanistan to monitor Pak Nukes and they have failed in doing so, CIA and Pentagon failed from last 13 years or so, and in there frustration they have killed innocents through drones..

You believe the US has spent all this money on ground fighting in Afghanistan when they could have simply spent ALL that money on better spy planes and reconnaisance equipment??

Facepalm!
 
You believe the US has spent all this money on ground fighting in Afghanistan when they could have simply spent ALL that money on better spy planes and reconnaisance equipment??

Facepalm!
looks like you haven't read the whole thing ? if you do you will see its all about Pakistan and maybe some additional things but the prime is what your people are saying now as they are worried :)
 
@FaujHistorian
One thing that US dont know nothing is about our nuclear weapons.In 2009 they can even figure out missing PAk nukes
.But they are absolutely blind about Indian nukes.Till now except only sentence in this article.they dont express fear about Indian nukes.They know they dont need it.
For US pakistan is to different compared to India.You already figure it out in nuke deals.

support you claim with evidence ....

@Aeronaut .....plz take care of this fellow member
 
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