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Faced with the prospects of a military vacuum as Western forces will soon withdraw from its territory, Afghanistan is hopeful that India, under the Modi government, will emerge as a major player in filling the security gap in the strife-torn nation.

“Even before Prime Minister Narendra Modi had taken the oath of office, Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai had held two telephonic conversations with him, setting the tone for energising an already formidable relationship,” a diplomatic source said. The appointment of Ajit Doval as National Security Adviser also undergirds Afghan hopes. “We are aware of Mr. Doval’s security instincts when it comes to Afghanistan, and these augur well for a robust military relationship,” the source said.

From Afghanistan’s perspective, a prominent military dimension will raise the profile of the relationship between the two SAARC countries to the next level. With the Americans expected to leave behind only 10,000 troops by 2014-end, the Afghans are looking to bolster their armed forces with big-ticket military hardware from India, including Russian-origin fighter jets and tanks that New Delhi eventually wants to discard. These include MiG-21 fighters and T-72 tanks, apart from Bofors howitzers and equipment vital for command and control. But wary of upsetting Pakistan, the UPA-II government had told the Afghans that India would not be in a position to fly this equipment over Pakistani airspace in case it required repair in Indian military establishments, sources said.

Consequently, the Afghans approached the problem in a larger geopolitical perspective, involving a deeper and simultaneous engagement with India, Russia and China. Russia was approached to supply India-funded military hardware to Afghanistan, resulting in the establishment of a complex triangular partnership.

Reuters had earlier quoted Indian officials as saying that New Delhi had held talks with China, Japan and Iran to find ways to fund Afghan security demands, with a price tag of around $4 billion a year.

Seeking a special relationship with China, the Afghans want Beijing to invest heavily in their country, hoping that the Chinese will drive sufficient economic and commercial stakes in Afghanistan, persuading them to play a stabilising role in the country.

Analysts point out that the focus of Afghanistan on India, Russia and China to fortify its strategic interests comes at a time of a sharp deterioration of ties between Washington and Moscow, and Russia’s growing relationship with China, anchored by a recent $400-billion gas deal.

Afghanistan bullish on military ties with India - The Hindu

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But wary of upsetting Pakistan

The new government has no such qualms, coupled with the failed assassination attempt on Abdullah Abdullah, the adversary has revealed its intentions much too soon in a botched up attempt. The Afghans clearly know the path ahead and who the new leader of Afghanistan knows all too well and now more certainly that who is his enemy.
 
The new government has no such qualms, coupled with the failed assassination attempt on Abdullah Abdullah, the adversary has revealed its intentions much too soon in a botched up attempt. The Afghans clearly know the path ahead and who the new leader of Afghanistan knows all too well and now more certainly that who is his enemy.

But this is quite a milestone in our foreign policy.If things are going like this way
Afghanistan will become our responsiblity in future.It will become our responsibility to talk for Afghan military in international stage.We would use our diplomatic clout for their funding like mentioned in article.
But we are happy with that because it is for our national security and strategic security.
 
But this is quite a milestone in our foreign policy.If things are going like this way
Afghanistan will become our responsiblity in future.It will become our responsibility to talk for Afghan military in international stage.We would use our diplomatic clout for their funding like mentioned in article.
But we are happy with that because it is for our national security and strategic security.

I think India will come under considerable pressure to support Afghanistan and Abdullah (slated to be the next leader) who incidentally is an excellent one. The next couple of years will be quite crucial for Afghans and I am afraid there will be numerous attacks on them and also on Indian presence and interests in Afghanistan. But unlike the last time, the whole international community (barring just two who support the Taliban) favor the Afghan forces. We will most likely have to up the ante to keep in line with Afghanistan's expectations.
 
I think India will come under considerable pressure to support Afghanistan and Abdullah (slated to be the next leader) who incidentally is an excellent one. The next couple of years will be quite crucial for Afghans and I am afraid there will be numerous attacks on them and also on Indian presence and interests in Afghanistan. But unlike the last time, the whole international community (barring just two who support the Taliban) favor the Afghan forces. We will most likely have to up the ante to keep in line with Afghanistan's expectations.

I think our team can do that.Especially our new NSA Ajit Doval
 
Faced with the prospects of a military vacuum as Western forces will soon withdraw from its territory, Afghanistan is hopeful that India, under the Modi government, will emerge as a major player in filling the security gap in the strife-torn nation.

“Even before Prime Minister Narendra Modi had taken the oath of office, Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai had held two telephonic conversations with him, setting the tone for energising an already formidable relationship,” a diplomatic source said. The appointment of Ajit Doval as National Security Adviser also undergirds Afghan hopes. “We are aware of Mr. Doval’s security instincts when it comes to Afghanistan, and these augur well for a robust military relationship,” the source said.

From Afghanistan’s perspective, a prominent military dimension will raise the profile of the relationship between the two SAARC countries to the next level. With the Americans expected to leave behind only 10,000 troops by 2014-end, the Afghans are looking to bolster their armed forces with big-ticket military hardware from India, including Russian-origin fighter jets and tanks that New Delhi eventually wants to discard. These include MiG-21 fighters and T-72 tanks, apart from Bofors howitzers and equipment vital for command and control. But wary of upsetting Pakistan, the UPA-II government had told the Afghans that India would not be in a position to fly this equipment over Pakistani airspace in case it required repair in Indian military establishments, sources said.

Consequently, the Afghans approached the problem in a larger geopolitical perspective, involving a deeper and simultaneous engagement with India, Russia and China. Russia was approached to supply India-funded military hardware to Afghanistan, resulting in the establishment of a complex triangular partnership.


Reuters had earlier quoted Indian officials as saying that New Delhi had held talks with China, Japan and Iran to find ways to fund Afghan security demands, with a price tag of around $4 billion a year.

Seeking a special relationship with China, the Afghans want Beijing to invest heavily in their country, hoping that the Chinese will drive sufficient economic and commercial stakes in Afghanistan, persuading them to play a stabilising role in the country.

Analysts point out that the focus of Afghanistan on India, Russia and China to fortify its strategic interests comes at a time of a sharp deterioration of ties between Washington and Moscow, and Russia’s growing relationship with China, anchored by a recent $400-billion gas deal.

Afghanistan bullish on military ties with India - The Hindu

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" Afghanistan is asking India to provide Mig 21 in reserve "
I am not sure how reliable the news is ?
why would Afghanistan request for aircraft that we ourselves are in the process of eliminating ...?
 
" Afghanistan is asking India to provide Mig 21 in reserve "
I am not sure how reliable the news is ?
why would Afghanistan request for aircraft that we ourselves are in the process of eliminating ...?

I dont know whether that is correct or not.
But we have a strong govt now .So coming years will be very interesting .
 
" Afghanistan is asking India to provide Mig 21 in reserve "
I am not sure how reliable the news is ?
why would Afghanistan request for aircraft that we ourselves are in the process of eliminating ...?

This is not possible.

Also, we need to speed Tejas production first.
 
The new government has no such qualms, coupled with the failed assassination attempt on Abdullah Abdullah, the adversary has revealed its intentions much too soon in a botched up attempt. The Afghans clearly know the path ahead and who the new leader of Afghanistan knows all too well and now more certainly that who is his enemy.
remember 1990s if we want to we can arm Afghani resistance fighter with Tanks and Stingers and with artillery and their are plenty of muslim states who will help us so i think afghan govt is afraid and is crying for help because they know what happened to najabeullah after russian withdrawal any ways best of luck u play ur cards we will play our and for those who Call taliban of afghanistan as terrorist for them kiddo they were the ruler of afghanistan prior to 9/11
 
Faced with the prospects of a military vacuum as Western forces will soon withdraw from its territory, Afghanistan is hopeful that India, under the Modi government, will emerge as a major player in filling the security gap in the strife-torn nation.

That's really good. But we cannot unilaterally do everything. Technically, we need Russian and Iranian cooperation. Having a poor military industrial complex that struggles to even arm our own defences means that we need to rely on other partners as well.

Russia and Iran are equally important and are the two countries that share the same concerns as we do.

Same thing with Chinese. Xinjiang isn't exactly going to benefit with an ISI-backed Taliban government in Afghanistan.

“Even before Prime Minister Narendra Modi had taken the oath of office, Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai had held two telephonic conversations with him, setting the tone for energising an already formidable relationship,” a diplomatic source said. The appointment of Ajit Doval as National Security Adviser also undergirds Afghan hopes. “We are aware of Mr. Doval’s security instincts when it comes to Afghanistan, and these augur well for a robust military relationship,” the source said.

For all his see saw, Karzai seems to be a smart guy. He really set the bedrock for Abdullah Abdullah to take it forward smoothly. :D

From Afghanistan’s perspective, a prominent military dimension will raise the profile of the relationship between the two SAARC countries to the next level. With the Americans expected to leave behind only 10,000 troops by 2014-end, the Afghans are looking to bolster their armed forces with big-ticket military hardware from India, including Russian-origin fighter jets and tanks that New Delhi eventually wants to discard. These include MiG-21 fighters and T-72 tanks, apart from Bofors howitzers and equipment vital for command and control. But wary of upsetting Pakistan, the UPA-II government had told the Afghans that India would not be in a position to fly this equipment over Pakistani airspace in case it required repair in Indian military establishments, sources said.

Hardly likely.

MiG-21s are dead now. They are getting thrown out as soon as Tejas and MMRCA serial production starts. AAF will only be sending pilots to their graves if they want MiG-21. Tejas they won't be able to afford even if we can miraculously increase production to 30 fighters a year in the first year.

For now ANA and AAF should stick to the following types of aerial assets:

1- Russian YAK-130 or Czech L-159. Cheap, Easy to maintain, new and from reliable sources. Unless we can rectify problems in IJT-36 and give it to them in time with good quality.

2- HAL LCH: an ideal gunship for high altitude close air support.
3- Mi-17: the most easily usable transport platform around the world.
4- HAL Dhruv: High altitude tactical transport for special units of ANA and emergency evacuation. Turkey already uses them for SAR and MEDEVAC services.

Consequently, Iran can help Afghanistan arm up as well, considering that they are much more self-reliant in weapons production than us. Their influence also means end of Talibunnism, which suits all of us.

Consequently, the Afghans approached the problem in a larger geopolitical perspective, involving a deeper and simultaneous engagement with India, Russia and China. Russia was approached to supply India-funded military hardware to Afghanistan, resulting in the establishment of a complex triangular partnership.

True that. But officially, Chinese don't want to participate militarily in Afghanistan. If they can sell them weapons, nothing like it. Although they will be questioned by Pakistanis considering the festering tensions between Pakistanis and Afghans.

Reuters had earlier quoted Indian officials as saying that New Delhi had held talks with China, Japan and Iran to find ways to fund Afghan security demands, with a price tag of around $4 billion a year.Seeking a special relationship with China, the Afghans want Beijing to invest heavily in their country, hoping that the Chinese will drive sufficient economic and commercial stakes in Afghanistan, persuading them to play a stabilising role in the country.

I think we will need help from all these countries to get the weapons. China equally faces the risk of Taliban in its western regions and Japan has future stakes at trading and mining in Afghanistan.

Analysts point out that the focus of Afghanistan on India, Russia and China to fortify its strategic interests comes at a time of a sharp deterioration of ties between Washington and Moscow, and Russia’s growing relationship with China, anchored by a recent $400-billion gas deal.

I don't know about our Brazilian and South African partners, but R-I-C format has a direct impact if something goes to the blows in Afghanistan.

And till the apparatus is there in neighbouring Pakistan to keep Afghanistan a boiling pot, we all have to cooperate with them together.

remember 1990s if we want to we can arm Afghani resistance fighter with Tanks and Stingers and with artillery and their are plenty of muslim states who will help us so i think afghan govt is afraid and is crying for help because they know what happened to najabeullah after russian withdrawal any ways best of luck u play ur cards we will play our and for those who Call taliban of afghanistan as terrorist for them kiddo they were the ruler of afghanistan prior to 9/11

But why do you hate them so much?

Why do you want to destroy a country needlessly? They are in no position to attack you and they don't want to attack you. Then why are you having so much hate for all your neighbours?

They have emerged from a war, there is no basic service in the country. Let them stabilize and live their lives, mate.

Anyway don't you keep crying islamic unity and islamic this and islamic that?

Afghans are muslims right? Then why so much hatred against them?
 
That's really good. But we cannot unilaterally do everything. Technically, we need Russian and Iranian cooperation. Having a poor military industrial complex that struggles to even arm our own defences means that we need to rely on other partners as well.

Russia and Iran are equally important and are the two countries that share the same concerns as we do.

Same thing with Chinese. Xinjiang isn't exactly going to benefit with an ISI-backed Taliban government in Afghanistan.



For all his see saw, Karzai seems to be a smart guy. He really set the bedrock for Abdullah Abdullah to take it forward smoothly. :D



Hardly likely.

MiG-21s are dead now. They are getting thrown out as soon as Tejas and MMRCA serial production starts. AAF will only be sending pilots to their graves if they want MiG-21. Tejas they won't be able to afford even if we can miraculously increase production to 30 fighters a year in the first year.

For now ANA and AAF should stick to the following types of aerial assets:

1- Russian YAK-130 or Czech L-159. Cheap, Easy to maintain, new and from reliable sources. Unless we can rectify problems in IJT-36 and give it to them in time with good quality.

2- HAL LCH: an ideal gunship for high altitude close air support.
3- Mi-17: the most easily usable transport platform around the world.
4- HAL Dhruv: High altitude tactical transport for special units of ANA and emergency evacuation. Turkey already uses them for SAR and MEDEVAC services.

Consequently, Iran can help Afghanistan arm up as well, considering that they are much more self-reliant in weapons production than us. Their influence also means end of Talibunnism, which suits all of us.



True that. But officially, Chinese don't want to participate militarily in Afghanistan. If they can sell them weapons, nothing like it. Although they will be questioned by Pakistanis considering the festering tensions between Pakistanis and Afghans.



I think we will need help from all these countries to get the weapons. China equally faces the risk of Taliban in its western regions and Japan has future stakes at trading and mining in Afghanistan.



I don't know about our Brazilian and South African partners, but R-I-C format has a direct impact if something goes to the blows in Afghanistan.

And till the apparatus is there in neighbouring Pakistan to keep Afghanistan a boiling pot, we all have to cooperate with them together.



But why do you hate them so much?

Why do you want to destroy a country needlessly? They are in no position to attack you and they don't want to attack you. Then why are you having so much hate for all your neighbours?

They have emerged from a war, there is no basic service in the country. Let them stabilize and live their lives, mate.

Anyway don't you keep crying islamic unity and islamic this and islamic that?

Afghans are muslims right? Then why so much hatred against them?
we want old govt that was friendly to Pakistan not some former CIA and RAW operatives running that country i hope you got my ans
 
" Afghanistan is asking India to provide Mig 21 in reserve "
I am not sure how reliable the news is ?
why would Afghanistan request for aircraft that we ourselves are in the process of eliminating ...?

I think no country simply retires and destroys the equipment.its true that Migs are almost at the end of their service life.but many countries simply put these jets and tanks into reserves.China has several thousands of such jets.India too has hundreds of T-55 into reserves.these are going to be used in case of shortage or in general,later gets scrapped.

Though I concur,Afghanistan should get modern jets for airforce.these makeshift arrangement is barely going to work.they can search for second hand jets.

from my view,they should procure SU-24,rather than good A2A platforms right now.PAF is no way going to engage AAF using jets.they're going to need Su-24 for ground attack.

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they could probably get these from international market.can have limited A2A capability with good payload for ground attack.best choice against taliban.
 
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But why do you hate them so much?

Why do you want to destroy a country needlessly? They are in no position to attack you and they don't want to attack you. Then why are you having so much hate for all your neighbours?

They have emerged from a war, there is no basic service in the country. Let them stabilize and live their lives, mate.

Anyway don't you keep crying islamic unity and islamic this and islamic that?

Afghans are muslims right? Then why so much hatred against them?

1: Something how you feel about Bangladesh, we hosted several million Afghan refugees for decades, in return we have soaring rate of crime and the menace of Heroin.
2 : Surely you are not oblivious of regular attacks on our border posts carried out by miscreants harboured by the likes of ANA, if Afghanistan wasn't our neighbour, do you think Pakistan would be facing all the troubles that happen now , as for hating all neighbours, how are India's relations with Pakistan, China, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc. ???
 
1: Something how you feel about Bangladesh, we hosted several million Afghan refugees for decades, in return we have soaring rate of crime and the menace of Heroin.

Send them out. It is your right.

Who is stopping your generals?

Why are your real rulers the military quiet about this?

as for hating all neighbours, how are India's relations with Pakistan, China, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc. ???

Sri lanka and China are improving. Pakistan's is in your hands and Bangladesh needs to stop illegal migration. Otherwise all is well.

we want old govt that was friendly to Pakistan not some former CIA and RAW operatives running that country i hope you got my ans

Help them develop instead of attacking them. Build confidence. Despite differences of their religion and our culture, we still helped them to build trust.

You have an easier path, but use it to build trust by helping them develop so that the refugees who are in your country can leave. Remember, they won't have been there if your and CIA's Taliban had not destroyed their land.

They would have been in their country and you won't have had a refugee problem.

And then you will have an Afghan government that is friendly to you as well as to everyone else in the region.
 
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