Afghanistan begins to export products directly to India for the first time

[Capt.Popeye]

Pakistan's GDP is $210 Billion, so 2 times Pakistan's GDP.

Yaar; Fantasies kay bhi hadd hone chahiye!
trans:even fantasies should have some limits.


(or they may turn into nightmares)

 

[farhan_9909]

Half a trillion? You mean the same size of Pakistan's GDP? Only from one port? I don't think this is true, unless you provide some proof.

considering 2020 when the rail link would be established and the road completion would had been done

Right now CHina trade with Middle east is upto 210billions dollars as of 2010-11.consider yourself the trade of china with middle east in 2020.

Also Tajikistan not only has constructed road and completed on there side of border.
the road from hasanabdal upto abbottabad and beyond again is funded by them.
So tajikistan is yet another confirmed country for gwadar

i can provide more about the construction of road by tajikistan

 

[That Guy]

The feasibility study of the project is started.



I stopped reading the rest after reading the bold part, anyways thanks for your great opinion and effort.

Just proves that you're unwilling to see the truth.

If you want to stay in the dark, who am I to judge?

 

[farhan_9909]

Pakistan's GDP is $210 Billion, so 2 times Pakistan's GDP.

Pakistan GDP as of 2013 is 252.5Billions dollars.

You dont get it do you?

Its not a competition between Gwadar and Chabahar as long as Iran is under international sanctions.

But regardless of those sanctions, it yields a breakthrough for Afghanistan as it gets a port apart from Pakistan to trade from, and it yields a breakthrough for India - which gets a port to trade with Afghanistan and CAR.

Even without being an international hit, Chabahar automatically undercuts Pakistani influence or dependence of other nations on Pakistan.

Yet be assured, that owing to better infrastructure in Iran, better trunk routes and coming connection of Chabahar to the Iranian national railway system, it would perform better than Gwadar when the sanctions are removed.

How?

Chabahar would be used for trade with central asian countries and Afghanistan.Right

*Afghanistan trade with india considering there GDP is 20billions dollars even in 2025 would remain below 10billions dollars.
*Indian trade with central asian countries is less than a billion dollar

than how it would perform better than Gwadar?tell me?
Tajikistan and china already are confirmed for Gwadar.and few more might also opt for pakistani route considering that uzbekistan being majority of sunni doesnt has good reputation in shia iran.and so does the rest of central asia.

Tajikistan has good relation with Iran but again they have opted for gwadar.and invested in road construction on both sides of the borders.

tell me how?will chabahar be better than gwadar in term of revenue.

 

[American Pakistani]

How can it be directly? Either Afghanistan & india are weak in Geography education or Pakistan & USA. Last i saw was Afghanistan not sharing any border with india or any sea.

BTW it is great news for Pakistan, Pakistan should now seal the Pak-Afghan border completely. Also Pakistan should start promoting Gawadar port & make it primary port for it's exports/imports in Middle East.

 

[Contrarian]

Pakistan GDP as of 2013 is 252.5Billions dollars.



How?

Chabahar would be used for trade with central asian countries and Afghanistan.Right

*Afghanistan trade with india considering there GDP is 20billions dollars even in 2025 would remain below 10billions dollars.
*Indian trade with central asian countries is less than a billion dollar

than how it would perform better than Gwadar?tell me?
Tajikistan and china already are confirmed for Gwadar.and few more might also opt for pakistani route considering that uzbekistan being majority of sunni doesnt has good reputation in shia iran.and so does the rest of central asia.

Tajikistan has good relation with Iran but again they have opted for gwadar.and invested in road construction on both sides of the borders.

tell me how?will chabahar be better than gwadar in term of revenue.

You are foolish enough to not get my point.

 

[Serpentine]

Pakistan's GDP is $210 Billion, so 2 times Pakistan's GDP.

Yep, I just began to suspect my own number, my mistake.

HeHeHe; I like your "style" though you are singularly devoid of any "substance"!!!

You can try brow-beating @Sher Malang by that Bluster. But how about our Iranian colleagues whom you dismissively term as "The Farsi". Let us hear them out. They are not waiting to dance to your tune, or are they?
@Serpentine; any comments?

I don't see why some Pakistani members don't like this whole project. It's not about challenging Gwadar, because they are for different purposes. Gwadar is more suitable for China to export its goods to Arab countries and maybe Africa, while Chabahar is better for India and Far East nations. Chabahar can be a re-export hub for goods to: Afghanistan, Turkmenistan and Central Asia, Caspian Sea countries (Azerbaijan, Russia and Kazakhstan besides Turkmenistan), Armenia, Turkey (and naturally Europe), Iraq and Levant (Syria, Lebanon, Jordan). It has the advantage of cheap oil and energy which can reduce transportation costs dramatically and also stability and security through all over Iran (Even Baloochestan province which is almost completely safe now after the capture and execution of Jundallah terrorist group leader).
If only some of sanctions are eased or removed, the real potential of Chabahar will be known much better. Without any exaggeration, Chabahar can be the Shanghai of Middle East and also Dubai (consideing that Dubai gained much of its revenues and from re-export of goods to Iran during its rise in 90s)

 

[farhan_9909]

You are foolish enough to not get my point.

i got your point that it is indeed a achievement for afghanistan as that got a yet another part to have access to warm water apart from Pakistan.decreasing the influence of pakistan over afghanistan.

I got this all.
and what i said is that chabahar indeed might be better than gwadar for Afghanistan.(even though the afghanistan will now eff the iran with drugs/ganja/opium) but in the end Gwadar will have a better revenue compared to chabahar.

 

[Contrarian]

i got your point that it is indeed a achievement for afghanistan as that got a yet another part to have access to warm water apart from Pakistan.decreasing the influence of pakistan over afghanistan.

Not just that. It decreases Pakistan's leverage over India as well regarding the trade routes that India has been pushing for.

I got this all.
and what i said is that chabahar indeed might be better than gwadar for Afghanistan.(even though the afghanistan will now eff the iran with drugs/ganja/opium) but in the end Gwadar will have a better revenue compared to chabahar.

That is not even a moot question as Iran is under sanctions, and till that time, Gwadar would be the only port for international customers - so to speak - the only dog in the race.

 

[American Pakistani]

Pakistan's GDP is $210 Billion, so 2 times Pakistan's GDP.

US$ 233.476 billion (2011 estimate)
Pakistan GDP Data & Country Report | Global Finance

It was 233.476 in 2011 & currently(2013) it is somewhere between US$ 252 - 264 billions.

 

[notorious_eagle]

Nope.
If Afghanistan goes up in flames - there is exactly one nation that will suffer - that is Pakistan.

I know. This is why Pakistan is working hard to ensure that something like this does not happen.

You bank on US not only making sure that India does not trade using the Iranian port, you also bank on US curtailing Indian activities in Afghanistan.

Its not banking on the US but mere common sense. The US will not tolerate any activity that enriches Iran, it has successfully forced the Indians to back out of the IPI deal and forced the Indians to reduce their appetite for Iranian oil.

I believe you are mistaken on the former and the latter.

Not mistaken, already happening. Just open your eyes my friend

US does not care what happens to and in Afghanistan after 2014. US still wants Pakistan to be in the doghouse. India achieves that for US using Afghanistan.

Not really. American strategic planners have realized that it is in the interests of the US to ensure that both Afghanistan and Pakistan are stable. This is why the Americans have shoved down billions of dollars in both Afghanistan and Pakistan to try and stabilize the situation. They have realized that their strategy in Afghanistan was flawed by not including the Pushtuns, this is why the Americans are now openly embracing the Taliban and opening up peace talks with them. If they wanted Afghanistan to remain volatile, they would have never made overtures to the Taliban. It is in the political interests of the US that both Afghanistan and Pakistan remain stable and prosper, State Department was quite explicit in that.

As for the former - you greatly over estimate US's influence on India.
The only reason that India's lowered purchases of oil from Iran is because there is no god forsaken way to pay Iran. Iran already now buys goods from India as payment for the oil that India purchases - and there is a limit to what Iran can buy from India in kind.

So you admit, the US was successful in its goal. It has everything to do with influence, whether you like it or not but the US remains to be the sole superpower when it comes to diplomatic, political, economic and military clout. Through their chokehold on the Global Financial System, they were successful in reducing China's and India's oil appetite for Iranian oil.

The only way for US to stall India's plan in Iran is for US to offer something that India cannot refuse - like US offered nuclear deal, and the price was to let IPI go along with purchases from US(civil/military/nuclear).

Indeed, they offered something to the Indians they simply could not refuse. In case of Chahbar, they don't have to offer anything because the Americans are the top dogs in Afghanistan and India is at best a 'Non Entity'. India lacks the political, diplomatic and military clout required to be a major player in Afghanistan. Its a sad reality but unfortunately it is the reality.

 

[Roybot]

Pakistan GDP as of 2013 is 252.5Billions dollars.

US$ 233.476 billion (2011 estimate)
Pakistan GDP Data & Country Report | Global Finance

It was 233.476 in 2011 & currently(2013) it is somewhere between US$ 252 - 264 billions.

My bad guys, although still half the figure of half a trillion dollar per year.

 

[American Pakistani]

I don't see why some Pakistani members don't like this whole project.

How would Iran feel if Pakistanis invite Israel on Pak-Iran border. Already india is supporting TTP & BLA terrorists via Afghanistan(23 indian consulates on Pak-Afghan border).
http://tribune.com.pk/story/512867/...ms-for-pakistan-from-afghanistan-chuck-hagel/

Pakistan is only concerned that india will use Irani territory against Pakistan just like Afghan territory.

 

[Shabz Nist]

How would Iran feel if Pakistanis invite Israel on Pak-Iran border. Already india is supporting TTP & BLA terrorists via Afghanistan(23 indian consulates on Pak-Afghan border), Pakistan is only concerned that india will use Irani territory against Pakistan just like Afghan territory.

Yes this is all good. If only your Pakistani passport didn't say "THIS DOCUMENT IS VALID IN ALL COUNTRIES EXCEPT ISRAEL".

 

[American Pakistani]

Yes this is all good. If only your Pakistani passport didn't say "THIS DOCUMENT IS VALID IN ALL COUNTRIES EXCEPT ISRAEL".

Your comment/post/reply makes no sense wrt my post.