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Afghan Women Become Pilots

i dont know, you can ask the americans and also your own authorities at that time. but as long as present time's concern, we need pilots, the more we get the better.
Yes but even before the pilots [or to be precise female pilots] we need other more necessary things with respect to food; shelter & basic education for Afghanis. Also something to be done with the civil power sharing b/w Pushtuns;Talibans...
 
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Afghan Army.... hardly.... more like Kabul Army. After all thats really the extent of their dominion. :P

Any army without a higher percentage of Pashtun than the rest of the ethnicities can't even be called an Afghan Army. And besides, its just the same old beat down US 'women emancipation' crap thats being inoculated to desimate Talib ideology, not much more than that. Of course the Indys are gonna be happy about it, their long bashed up supportive cousins are being upgraded to clash with their arch nemisis Pakistan.

before im branded as a racist or supremist, let me elucidate that I have nothing against the Tajiks and Hazaras of Afghanistan; they are as much Afghans, but keeping in light the 'pristine' :cheesy: portents of US style democracy, its a bit mendacious that only a small % of Pashtun representation is present in the Afghan Army (and that even of selective tribes)

The words of Khushal Khan Khattak evoke me: "The Pashtuns are Afghans and the Afghans are Pashtuns, anybody who thinks otherwise is a fool"
 
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Afghan Army.... hardly.... more like Kabul Army. After all thats really the extent of their dominion. :P

Any army without a higher percentage of Pashtun than the rest of the ethnicities can't even be called an Afghan Army.

The pashtoons are around 40% of the country, if they dont have majority of army in them, i wont be surprised. around 56-60% are non pashton in the country, you can expect that their number be higher.

And besides, its just the same old beat down US 'women emancipation' crap thats being inoculated to desimate Talib ideology, not much more than that. Of course the Indys are gonna be happy about it, their long bashed up supportive cousins are being upgraded to clash with their arch nemisis Pakistan.

forget about americans and indians, we like any other nations need our women empowered. I am sure pakistan have also got huge number of problems including hunger and shelter issues, but you dont stop your female being pilots, police etc.

before im branded as a racist or supremist, let me elucidate that I have nothing against the Tajiks and Hazaras of Afghanistan; they are as much Afghans, but keeping in light the 'pristine' :cheesy: portents of US style democracy, its a bit mendacious that only a small % of Pashtun representation is present in the Afghan Army (and that even of selective tribes)

No, you dont look to be racist, but a typical pakistani friend who is paroting what the pakistani media says without thinking with a cool head. When our pashtoon brothers in afghanistan had 100% monopoly over gov affairs, army, politics etc, you guys were were also complaining that they didnt recognize durand and wanted a piece of pakistani land for afghanistan, now when our pashtoon brothers have lost the 100% monoply, you still complain about it, make up your mind. The pashtons in today's gov have the highest percentage of share in different gov institutions over all compare to the others, although we non pashtoons are not discriminated the way we were before, but cultural, social, political discrimination still exist against us, we are even not allowed to promote our langauge and culture and everything is dedicated to pashtoon brothers, how many of you know that every year the pashtoon nomads go and attack hazara villagers in the name of land grab? i am sure many of you would not know. So dont try to take advantage of ethnic divisions in afghanistan as it will burn you too.

The words of Khushal Khan Khattak evoke me: "The Pashtuns are Afghans and the Afghans are Pashtuns, anybody who thinks otherwise is a fool"

I have always enjoyed Khush-hal Khan Khattak's poems. And yes, he is right that afghan and pashtoon is the same, and you know what, this is another discrimination agaisnt us!!! we are wrongly called pashtons while we are not!!! Suppose if pakistan was called Panjabistan, would it have been acceptable to the Sindhis, Pakhtuns, Balouchs and Muhajirs?
 
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The pashtoons are around 40% of the country, if they dont have majority of army in them, i wont be surprised. around 56-60% are non pashton in the country, you can expect that their number be higher.

Well, the Pahtoons are still the most populace ethnicty of Afhanistan a compared to other ethnicity. can u give me exact percentages of ethnic representation in the ANA? only 2-3% of recruitment is open for Pashtoon Afghans, no its not written policy, only oserved nepotism as it serve the purposes of the US touts aka Northern Allaince. Its like a silent injuncture to retard pushtoon reprentation in the ANA.


forget about americans and indians, we like any other nations need our women empowered. I am sure pakistan have also got huge number of problems including hunger and shelter issues, but you dont stop your female being pilots, police etc.

To simply anwer ur quetion, Im against muslim women joining the amed forces under the present circumstances. Had the situation been such that their was a paucity of men, ten the situation warrents women requitment. As of right now, its just not required. Men make better oldiers than women. kapish! there are ample sudies based on the issue. Call me male chauvanist or whatever. The same thing is going on in Pakistan too. So if u feel that I intended to point this decadance of society only in Afghanistan, thats not the case. Sadly, MUSLIMS HAVE THIS APPOLOGETIC ATTITUDE THAT THEY WANT TO PROVE TO THE WEST THAT WE ARE PROGRESIVE AND LIBERAL, AND USING WOMEN IN SUCH AGENDAS IS QUITE RAMPANT.

No, you dont look to be racist, but a typical pakistani friend who is paroting what the pakistani media says without thinking with a cool head. When our pashtoon brothers in afghanistan had 100% monopoly over gov affairs, army, politics etc, you guys were were also complaining that they didnt recognize durand and wanted a piece of pakistani land for afghanistan, now when our pashtoon brothers have lost the 100% monoply, you still complain about it, make up your mind. The pashtons in today's gov have the highest percentage of share in different gov institutions over all compare to the others, although we non pashtoons are not discriminated the way we were before, but cultural, social, political discrimination still exist against us, we are even not allowed to promote our langauge and culture and everything is dedicated to pashtoon brothers, how many of you know that every year the pashtoon nomads go and attack hazara villagers in the name of land grab? i am sure many of you would not know. So dont try to take advantage of ethnic divisions in afghanistan as it will burn you too.

No Ahmad, the 'idiot box' is my last source of information. Can u provide statictics that pustoons are replete in ur so-called govenment? karzia seup is hardly seen as anythng more than a mayorship of Kabul under the auspies of US neo-colonialism. I could provide many instances of non-pashtun hoolignism as well, don't mix common buglary n lawlessness with poitical affairs. Im not taking advatage of ethnicity, as a Pakistani I am subject to the same problem aswell. But bro, can u say that your standpoint is no advocating discriination? keep ethnicity out of it.

I have always enjoyed Khush-hal Khan Khattak's poems. And yes, he is right that afghan and pashtoon is the same, and you know what, this is another discrimination agaisnt us!!! we are wrongly called pashtons while we are not!!! Suppose if pakistan was called Panjabistan, would it have been acceptable to the Sindhis, Pakhtuns, Balouchs and Muhajirs?

OK, so now ur thinking that Khusshal Khan Khatak is being a racist? :D well the i guess that historians claims of naming Ahmed Shah Durrani as the arcitecof Afghan Nationalism went down the garbage disposal by this standard. You have missed the point!! KKK IS TRYING TO INSINUATE THAT ALL AFGHANS REGARDLESS OF ETHNICITY ARE ONE! it like he is saying that: Afghans = many ethnicities, and Pahtuns = Afghans, Therefore all AFGHANS=PASHTUNS.

I am from Sindh, my parents migrated from India, but I am not a mohajir, I am a PAKISTANI and that makes me PUNJAB, SINDHI, BALUCHI, PASHTUN AND KASHMIRI. so it doesnt matter if u call Pakistan Panjab or Sind or Baluchistan or Khyber, its all the same bro. Im sorry Im not game to any illogical linguistic or ethic based rife created by a few that have no rite to call them selves Pakistani OR PANJABI, KASHMIRI, SINDHI, BALUCHI, PASHTUN. These schisms are a non-issue in the eyes of a commoner regardless of what strata of society he/she belongs to
 
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OK, so now ur thinking that Khusshal Khan Khatak is being a racist? :D well the i guess that historians claims of naming Ahmed Shah Durrani as the arcitecof Afghan Nationalism went down the garbage disposal by this standard. You have missed the point!! KKK IS TRYING TO INSINUATE THAT ALL AFGHANS REGARDLESS OF ETHNICITY ARE ONE! it like he is saying that: Afghans = many ethnicities, and Pahtuns = Afghans, Therefore all AFGHANS=PASHTUNS.

I am from Sindh, my parents migrated from India, but I am not a mohajir, I am a PAKISTANI and that makes me PUNJAB, SINDHI, BALUCHI, PASHTUN AND KASHMIRI. so it doesnt matter if u call Pakistan Panjab or Sind or Baluchistan or Khyber, its all the same bro. Im sorry Im not game to any illogical linguistic or ethic based rife created by a few that have no rite to call them selves Pakistani OR PANJABI, KASHMIRI, SINDHI, BALUCHI, PASHTUN. These schisms are a non-issue in the eyes of a commoner regardless of what strata of society he/she belongs to

read my post again, you missed and miss-understood everything i mentioned, if you still dont understand it, i will get back to you.
 
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The words of Khushal Khan Khattak evoke me: "The Pashtuns are Afghans and the Afghans are Pashtuns, anybody who thinks otherwise is a fool"


When Khush-hal Khan Khattak said "The Pashtuns are Afghans and the Afghans are Pashtuns, anybody who thinks otherwise is a fool"

he was right because mughal empire never occupied whole of afghanistan, it only had control of north eastern part of afghanistan, South east afghanistan was taken twice before losing it to Safavid empire. So technically tajiks, uzbeks, hazara areas were never part of mughal empire, It were only pushtun areas that were part of mughal empire, Most of afghanistan was part of Safavid empire and nothern part of aghanistan was occupied by uzbek khans.

So tajiks, hazaras, uzbeks areas were invaded by Abdali and he created the first afghani empire
 
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Ahmed,

I hope u know most of pakistanis who show support for afghani pashtuns are pakistani pashtuns. the rest of pakistanis in general really dont know much about afghanistan nor do they care enough about afghanistan to show support for a certain ethnic group.
 
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Ahmed,

I hope u know most of pakistanis who show support for afghani pashtuns are pakistani pashtuns. the rest of pakistanis in general really dont know much about afghanistan nor do they care enough about afghanistan to show support for a certain ethnic group.

Brother, as far as i have seen, pakistani pashtoons especially peshawaris are quite neutral with reagrds to the issues of afghanistan's ethnic problems, you can see in this forum as well, that is much appreciated. But policy of gov of pakistan is very different. Panjabi pakistanis are reallly badly informed about situation of afghanistan and its history, so it is not ucommon to see some strange comments from them.
 
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Brother, as far as i have seen, pakistani pashtoons especially peshawaris are quite neutral with reagrds to the issues of afghanistan's ethnic problems, you can see in this forum as well, that is much appreciated. But policy of gov of pakistan is very different. Panjabi pakistanis are reallly badly informed about situation of afghanistan and its history, so it is not ucommon to see some strange comments from them.

trust me ahmed, most sane punjabis who are aware of the situation in afghanistan, will ceratinly not show support for afghani pashtuns (especially after seeing their racism and hatred for punjabis).

we Punjabis, have nothing to do with afghanistan, and we common punjabis (not the pakistani politicians who happen to be punjabi) should keep as much distant from afghans as possible.
 
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First of all these are not afghan women These women resembles more like northern alliance territory and secondly Last time I remembered communist did the same And end up into pieces!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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First of all these are not afghan women These women resembles more like northern alliance territory and secondly Last time I remembered communist did the same And end up into pieces!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bloody hell, you are such a silly person that is not worth to debate anything with.
 
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First of all these are not afghan women These women resembles more like northern alliance territory and secondly Last time I remembered communist did the same And end up into pieces!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Afghans did the mistake of fighting the Soviets taking the help of Pak/US. I hope they dont do the same mistake again.

If the Soviets had been in Afghanistan - it would have been much much better than it is today,IMO.
 
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bloody hell, you are such a silly person that is not worth to debate anything with.
What is not to debate here Don't these women looks more like Central Asian women and these are speaking very good english. you seems from Afghanistan you tell me If i am wrong, then tell me how?????
 
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What is not to debate here Don't these women looks more like Central Asian women and these are speaking very good english. you seems from Afghanistan you tell me If i am wrong, then tell me how?????

first inform yourself abourt your neighbour and then start debating.
 
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The Afghans did the mistake of fighting the Soviets taking the help of Pak/US. I hope they dont do the same mistake again.

If the Soviets had been in Afghanistan - it would have been much much better than it is today,IMO.
I was referring to modernizing Afghanistan putting Islam aside not knowing that most of musliims in Afghanistan are good practicing muslims. I didn't wanted to hurt anyone feelings I was just asking!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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