Afghan war: Deepest attack inside Soviet Union

[nForce]

@Psychic Enjoyed reading it

 

[Amaa'n]

Hard copy is the best option. Not only your eyes, but back and neck are also stressed if you read eBook versions.

nothing can beat the Hard copy & a table lamp, even having access to Tablets & phones , i still buy the hard copy and read it in my bed

 

[nForce]

It is a malcom gladwell book. One of his classics after "Tipping Point". It explains how you can size up a person by looking at his personal space etc.

It is not related to war though but immensely helpful in daily life

I just bought the Kindle edition.. Seems good read..

 

[Providence]

nothing can beat the Hard copy & a table lamp, even having access to Tablets & phones , i still buy the hard copy and read it in my bed

Depends on the shelf space. If you have few books, it won't make a difference but in longer run, you might want to prioritise what books you want hard copy of.

I just bought the Kindle edition.. Seems good read..

People are unnecessarily obsessed here with what others think of themselves and their country. On your death bed your personal relationships and friends you make matter. Not how many F35s your country has or your prime enemy feared your laser beam technology or not.

These books are relevant in that context rather than war books.

 

[Amaa'n]

Depends on the shelf space. If you have few books, it won't make a difference but in longer run, you might want to prioritise what books you want hard copy of.
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you may be right , my book collection is a bit small at this time, and so is my shelf hence its manageable, will have to see what happens in the long run

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

The Bear Trap for sure but its a hard find....i ran up and down for this but couldn't find it, finally picked it up from a big book store "Saeed Books' islamabad.....its a must read.....while you are at it, also pick a copy of Profiles of Intelligence - by Brigadier Trimzi, he led various CI ops during Soviet war


The moment i started read the first 3 lines, I knew the story sounded familiar to me, scrolled down to the bottom to find the source.....this book was a great read.....I read it last year.....


rightly said, he was the main man who planned and executed it all, he went to depth about explaining the culture and living style of Pushtuns. And if you compare that war with that of todayh - that is being fought in Pakistan today against TTP, you will find no difference, as if only the enemy is changed, the rest remains the same....
About Ghost Wars, I was going to pick it up but then decided to go with 'The Way of Knife'...its a very good read of US secret war, the transformation from CIA analysts toppling Governments in African countries (80s/90s) to carrying out CT ops across the globe....it also touches CIA / JSOC boots on ground in Pakistan during 2004-2010

Isnt it the book whichs exerts you posted a while back?

 

[Amaa'n]

Isnt it the book whichs exerts you posted a while back?

yes, thats the one

 

[Levina]

The Bear Trap for sure but its a hard find....i ran up and down for this but couldn't find it, finally picked it up from a big book store "Saeed Books' islamabad.....its a must read.....while you are at it, also pick a copy of Profiles of Intelligence - by Brigadier Trimzi, he led various CI ops during Soviet war


The moment i started read the first 3 lines, I knew the story sounded familiar to me, scrolled down to the bottom to find the source.....this book was a great read.....I read it last year.....


rightly said, he was the main man who planned and executed it all, he went to depth about explaining the culture and living style of Pushtuns. And if you compare that war with that of todayh - that is being fought in Pakistan today against TTP, you will find no difference, as if only the enemy is changed, the rest remains the same....
About Ghost Wars, I was going to pick it up but then decided to go with 'The Way of Knife'...its a very good read of US secret war, the transformation from CIA analysts toppling Governments in African countries (80s/90s) to carrying out CT ops across the globe....it also touches CIA / JSOC boots on ground in Pakistan during 2004-2010

I heard Coll is coming up with the second part of Ghost wars.

..this book was a great read.....I read it last year.....

If you read the PDF version could you pls forward the link to me.

 

[Psychic]

Your thought process behind opening this thread doesn't limit its scope in any way according to the PDF rules, unfortunately.

I think that this thread has been opened in Militant history and tactics section, not war against TTP section.

. Are you aware that later villained Ahmed Shah Massoud was once trained by ISI? The Lion of Panjshir.

Who do you think I was talking about when I said of " NA leadership also fought against SU at some time" in my previous post? My point was that he was an enemy of Taliban wasn't he?

No, a rational leader or planner wouldn't have gone this the way of the likes of Zia! You don't poison your whole family while trying to fight cockroaches. There were better ways of tackling the USSR threat, which weren't pursued by the short sighted and not

At that time and in those circumstances, that was the best way. Pakistan has a complex and hostile neighborhood. You show a weakness, enemy takes complete advantage of that. Iran also armed it's own groups against Soviets, those were also religiously motivated.
Policies change with time. Yesterday's enemies are todays friends and so on. That is how the real world works. US's lend for lease program helped Soviets win WW2, does that mean that US committed a blunder? Zia was not a saint, he was power hungry, committed blunders and liberals exaggerate those blunders. And as I said earlier, any one in power in Pakistan at that time would have done the same. Naseerullah Babur wasnt in JI, he was in PPP. Taliban phenomena happened after death of Zia.
Liberals blame Zia the same way in which mullahs blame yahoodis.

 

[Psychic]

The Bear Trap for sure but its a hard find....i ran up and down for this but couldn't find it, finally picked it up from a big book store "Saeed Books' islamabad.....its a must read.....while you are at it, also pick a copy of Profiles of Intelligence - by Brigadier Trimzi, he led various CI ops during Soviet war

The bear trap can be downloaded for free. Just a simple google search and then it is a click away.

The Bear Trap for sure but its a hard find....i ran up and down for this but couldn't find it, finally picked it up from a big book store "Saeed Books' islamabad.....its a must read.....while you are at it, also pick a copy of Profiles of Intelligence - by Brigadier Trimzi, he led various CI ops during Soviet war


The moment i started read the first 3 lines, I knew the story sounded familiar to me, scrolled down to the bottom to find the source.....this book was a great read.....I read it last year.....

I did a lot of editing and I had put the story in a sequence,which was in the book, mixed with other incidents and topics while cutting it short and simplifying it at the same time.

rightly said, he was the main man who planned and executed it all, he went to depth about explaining the culture and living style of Pushtuns. And if you compare that war with that of todayh - that is being fought in Pakistan today against TTP, you will find no difference, as if only the enemy is changed, the rest remains the same....

True that. Guerilla warfare has been more or less the same with the differences in some tactics, weaponery and scale. The basics have been the same in Vietnam, Algeria,East Pakistan, Srilanka, Afghanistan, Chechnya, Lebanon,Iraq, Pakistan. Even if you look at the Baluch rebels, they do the same but we don't feel that much because they do it on a much smaller scale and posess far less lethal arsenal.

Plus IMO, the solar rockets used by TTP are the same rockets mentioned in OP minus the launcher and with a different firing mechanism (solar battery). I saw people here make fun of TTP rockets while they do not know that these rockets have a few km's of range, not 200 m range like rpg's.

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If you read the PDF version could you pls forward the link to me.

It's for free as ebook. The maps in the book are blurry though.
https://www.google.com.pk/url?sa=t&...Lw7mpCDA9UJVX-oiw&sig2=X3pYQzoc48U-1eTFgGkJew

 

[nForce]

nothing can beat the Hard copy & a table lamp, even having access to Tablets & phones , i still buy the hard copy and read it in my bed

Hehe.. try a tablet, you may get used to it and eventually like it.

I was also perfectly fine with hard copies. Then I had to move to places and I realized it is not possible to move my library with me.

 

[Amaa'n]

I heard Coll is coming up with the second part of Ghost wars.


If you read the PDF version could you pls forward the link to me.

I never read the first part so wouldn't know.....
Buy the book dear, its on amazon

I think that this thread has been opened in Militant history and tactics section, not war against TTP section.

Who do you think I was talking about when I said of " NA leadership also fought against SU at some time" in my previous post? My point was that he was an enemy of Taliban wasn't he?

At that time and in those circumstances, that was the best way. Pakistan has a complex and hostile neighborhood. You show a weakness, enemy takes complete advantage of that. Iran also armed it's own groups against Soviets, those were also religiously motivated.
Policies change with time. Yesterday's enemies are todays friends and so on. That is how the real world works. US's lend for lease program helped Soviets win WW2, does that mean that US committed a blunder? Zia was not a saint, he was power hungry, committed blunders and liberals exaggerate those blunders. And as I said earlier, any one in power in Pakistan at that time would have done the same. Naseerullah Babur wasnt in JI, he was in PPP. Taliban phenomena happened after death of Zia.
Liberals blame Zia the same way in which mullahs blame yahoodis.

post reported for sharing the link.....its not allowed dude.....if you love books so much then have some courage to pay for them too

 

[Psychic]

post reported for sharing the link.....its not allowed dude.....if you love books so much then have some courage to pay for them too

Its free on scribid as well. Does not matter wather you read on scribid or down load from somewhere else.

 

[Secur]

I think that this thread has been opened in Militant history and tactics section, not war against TTP section.

Who do you think I was talking about when I said of " NA leadership also fought against SU at some time" in my previous post? My point was that he was an enemy of Taliban wasn't he?

At that time and in those circumstances, that was the best way. Pakistan has a complex and hostile neighborhood. You show a weakness, enemy takes complete advantage of that. Iran also armed it's own groups against Soviets, those were also religiously motivated.
Policies change with time. Yesterday's enemies are todays friends and so on. That is how the real world works. US's lend for lease program helped Soviets win WW2, does that mean that US committed a blunder? Zia was not a saint, he was power hungry, committed blunders and liberals exaggerate those blunders. And as I said earlier, any one in power in Pakistan at that time would have done the same. Naseerullah Babur wasnt in JI, he was in PPP. Taliban phenomena happened after death of Zia.
Liberals blame Zia the same way in which mullahs blame yahoodis.

It means nothing actually. To derive lessons from history, discussion is essential. How are you supposed to draw lessons?

And what is the significance of Northern Allaince leadership fighting against Soviets? The point was that the plan backfired and both factions of Mujahideen went out of the control of Rawalpindi. The Mujahids fought with each other even after swearing on the Holy Quran to create an inclusive national Govt and be at peace with each other (Peshawar accord). And well NA sided with our adversaries. When that happened, the Pakitanis instead of learning their lesson of signing deals with the devil, went ahead and created the Taliban. I am sure that you have a great reasoning for the repeated blunder of continuing with the policy of militant Islam.

It wasn't. You yourself mention Iran, did they get their hands burned? Did they get their population radicalized? Limited engagement and aggressive diplomacy was the best way to continue forward. Kremlin after all, records indicate, never wished to come down to the Pakistani shores, as the exaggeration of threat goes. Well, when people use the name of Naseerullah Babur, I tell them to reveal themselves his titles too. He might have been in PPP, he remained loyal and open to dictations from his former organization. Taliban phenomenon was the brain child of the same "not so bright" military planners who didn't learn one single thing with Mujahideen going haywire! They didn't learn that you can't control these monsters and playing with the mind of the general populace using religion is a recipe for disaster!

Take it up with the liberals then. You are not speaking with one.

 

[Psychic]

It means nothing actually. To derive lessons from history, discussion is essential. How are you supposed to draw lessons?

And what is the significance of Northern Allaince leadership fighting against Soviets? The point was that the plan backfired and both factions of Mujahideen went out of the control of Rawalpindi. The Mujahids fought with each other even after swearing on the Holy Quran to create an inclusive national Govt and be at peace with each other (Peshawar accord). And well NA sided with our adversaries. When that happened, the Pakitanis instead of learning their lesson of signing deals with the devil, went ahead and created the Taliban. I am sure that you have a great reasoning for the repeated blunder of continuing with the policy of militant Islam.

It wasn't. You yourself mention Iran, did they get their hands burned? Did they get their population radicalized? Limited engagement and aggressive diplomacy was the best way to continue forward. Kremlin after all, records indicate, never wished to come down to the Pakistani shores, as the exaggeration of threat goes. Well, when people use the name of Naseerullah Babur, I tell them to reveal themselves his titles too. He might have been in PPP, he remained loyal and open to dictations from his former organization. Taliban phenomenon was the brain child of the same "not so bright" military planners who didn't learn one single thing with Mujahideen going haywire! They didn't learn that you can't control these monsters and playing with the mind of the general populace using religion is a recipe for disaster!

Take it up with the liberals then. You are not speaking with one.

THe senario would have been entirely different had 9/11 not happened.