Afghan Taliban - Strange Bedfellows

[R Wing]

I have all the reasons to believe that our rut started with Musharraf gang and still ongoing thanks to policies adopted.


Here we say that football matches are won or lost in the tunnel, not on the pitch. Enslaved minds will never bring success. Imported ideas, colonial DNA, this non sense needs to stop. When the thoughts of "what outsiders will think", is more prevalent over "what our own people will think", throughout the state machinery, you are facing down the barrel.

Pakistan needs free thinkers, whose thought process revolve around this country foundations and clear understanding of them. Any planning and strategy has to evolve when a majority consensuses is reached within, having firm grasp on the pulses of masses, not outsiders whims and wishes. Anyone who manages to get into the "system" not agreeing fully with above, needs to be filtered out.

Give this man a medal!

Couldn't agree more.

The problem with vicious circles of mediocrity is that they are self-reinforcing --- therefore, nobody in power 'gets' what we're trying to say, because they are themselves part of the problem. So, the main question remains, how this change can occur when the current powers don't appreciate its need.

When you need to "adopt" to foreign system, you are already a lost cause, a failure. You are not capable to govern yourself and people within. A burden to the state and its citizens. An enslaved mind.

The only foreign system we should adopt is of a revolution led by ruthless autocrats who then promote a meritocracy (as much as humans can --- no system is perfect) within the single-party, like China has. Those who develop their areas well and handle their portfolios with positive results get promoted.

When you need to "adopt" to foreign system, you are already a lost cause, a failure. You are not capable to govern yourself and people within. A burden to the state and its citizens. An enslaved mind.

The only foreign system we should adopt is of a revolution led by ruthless autocrats who then promote a meritocracy (as much as humans can --- no system is perfect) within the single-party, like China has. Those who develop their areas well and handle their portfolios with positive results get promoted.

 

[R Wing]

Excellent write up sir.

Except trade with hindus and your lethargy comment that did not exist before, I agree with everything else, especially this geo economic posture.

Are they trying to say they never focused on economy? laughable. How were they running the country. Why wasn't economic development which is btw more important than a nuclear program not taken seriously? The answer is reforms which no one wanted because it meant cutting the privileges' of the elite.

Pakistan military establishment has always tried to maintain a status quo with india and to keep itself at par with it. This is ok for a status quo power but not for a country like Pakistan that wants to change the power equation vis a vis Kashmir.

We can blame the politicians and bureaucrats for losing Kashmir back in 47, and the military did what it could but it has not really tried to change the status quo. Even in 65, 99 like always, the focus every time seems to be bringing india to the negotiating table. Why would they negotiate something they already occupy? China used force to take Aksai Chin and disturbed the power equation, india started negotiating.

Even our nukes - a great achievement by any means - were made to deter india and keep the status quo and not change it. To liberate Kashmir, if it is the intention at all, it was imperative to become something like israel like you said - a hyper active intelligence and military complex. Israel follows the same principle - might is right which they changed to "Peace through Strength".

Imagine if Pakistan negates india's military preponderance at least in naval and air assets, this will change the power equation.

The situation is Kashmir is very bleak today. May be Chinese posturing could change things, but till then the outlook is very pessimistic.

EXACTLY!

Totally agree --- the geoeconomics thing is a total joke. All countries pursue economics based on geography, and have been for millennia. Here, we are pretending as if it's some shiny new idea. Speaks to the depths of intellectual depravity that we have fallen into.

GHQ and PMO have given up on IOK. They have sold out. They have accepted defeat. When confronted with an extremely difficult situation, you can either up your game or lower your standards (of what constitutes success). We have done the latter, which is a reflection of our ethos as a nation and culture.

Idiots will try to tell you that we can't invade and liberate IOK. No shit. But we can keep it simmering (or worse) --- however, this is only possible if we have the sophistication to do so. Investing in such sophistication is the key, not giving up entire claims. Pathetic. Insane!

The one line in your solid analysis that sums everything up relates to our posture making ZERO sense given that we are NOT a status quo power. We are (or should be) a revisionist power seeking a better political reality in the region that ensures our stability and security. Unfortunately, literally nobody in the Pakistani power elite (mil or civ) seems to have read a single realist author. Realism in IR explains all this --- and so does Pakistan's historic experience. Yet, we cling on to abstract delusions.

 

[arjunk]

You have been western pet dog since early 50s. You are shamelessly trying to ape them, at least at the decision making level, both civil and military all along. What have you achieved?

Says he, from his apartment in the UK

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Give this man a medal!

Couldn't agree more.

The problem with vicious circles of mediocrity is that they are self-reinforcing --- therefore, nobody in power 'gets' what we're trying to say, because they are themselves part of the problem. So, the main question remains, how this change can occur when the current powers don't appreciate its need.

Pakistanis don't question the decision makers specially the establishment. This has been the case for as far as I can remember. This in turn have cocooned the decision makers, who as a result, do not feel the need to take the biggest stake holders of this country, its citizens, onboard while devising the policies. Pakistanis act like herd of sheep. Swear, the amount of crap this nation went through since the foreign occupation of Afghanistan, heads would have rolled in any other nation on losing 80k citizens. This is not any other nation, its a flipping nuke power. Its been sugar-coated as "sacrifice", in reality its a failure.

Says he, from his apartment in the UK

what are you trying to say?

 

[Eight Pass Charlie]

When people say we need to be like the West I think they usually mean we need rule of law and meritocracy (as they have implemented this to a significant extent)

for some reason we think rule of law and meritocracy is some kind western system with a patent on it or something

people should say we need rule of law and meritocracy, etc and not mention the West as it creates an unnecessarily bad taste

and if one really wants to take an existing society or country as an example they should look to countries like China, Japan and Korea as well

 

[Super Falcon]

Regional trouble makers

 

[SaadH]

@Menace2Society you really need to listen to this with open mind. Your thoughts are corrupted and you dont know what Pakistan was supposed to be and vision of its founder. This is what he said about western civilization, listen carefully.

"Our destiny, in our own way".

That speech alone should put to rest the argument peddled by many a landay kay liberal about Quaid-e-Azam being a secularist and wanting to make Pakistan secular country.