Afghan Shops Remove Heads of Mannequins in Line With Taliban Order

[Menace2Society]

We cannot imitate the creation of Allah. I have included the saying of Prophet ﷺ on this aspect in the post above. Here it is for your reference again. Sunan an-Nasa'i 5357.

What is the background of this reference? What are the images of? If they are images of their pagan deities in art form then I understand perhaps but not sure how this applies to a statue of a person. Like it literally has a plaque stating the name so there is no confusion.

 

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What is the background of this reference? What are the images of? If they are images of their pagan deities in art form then I understand perhaps but not sure how this applies to a statue of a person. Like it literally has a plaque stating the name so there is no confusion.

Its a good question but the answer is in the Hadith itself. Hadith is recorded by Mother Ayesha رضي الله عنه and context is Prophet SAWW entered the house where Mother Ayesha رضي الله عنه was dwelling and upon finding curtain with pictures (and out of my own memory, those where perhaps pictures of animals), Prophet ﷺ tore it into pieces and said "The people who will be most severely punished on the Day of Resurrection will be those who try to imitate the creation of Allah."

Mother Ayesha رضي الله عنه would not had put curtain with drawings of idols. And look at the words of Prophet ﷺ which leave no doubt that punishment is for imitating creations of Allah. It doesn't leave room for doubt anymore.

 

[Menace2Society]

Its a good question but the answer is in the Hadith itself. Hadith is recorded by Mother Ayesha رضي الله عنه and context is Prophet SAWW entered the house where Mother Ayesha رضي الله عنه was dwelling and upon finding curtain with pictures (and out of my own memory, those where perhaps pictures of animals), Prophet ﷺ tore it into pieces and said "The people who will be most severely punished on the Day of Resurrection will be those who try to imitate the creation of Allah."

Mother Ayesha رضي الله عنه would not had put curtain with drawings of idols. And look at the words of Prophet ﷺ which leave no doubt that punishment is for imitating creations of Allah. It doesn't leave room for doubt anymore.

So a childrens book on animals is considered idolatry?

 

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So a childrens book on animals is considered idolatry?

I think you are grown enough to read Hadith and then decide if you need to make fun of it or not. In either case, you have material to judge yourself.

 

[Maula Jatt]

I think you are grown enough to read Hadith and then decide if you need to make fun of it or not. In either case, you have material to judge yourself.

Tv shows?, Books?, YouTube videos?
You following me?
I am sure there is nuenses involved otherwise we going back to stone age...

 

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Tv shows?, Books?, YouTube videos?
You following me?
I am sure there is nuenses involved otherwise we going back to stone age...

It's a good question and I have no capacity to respond to that. Like you, it would be my question as well.

 

[graphican]

So a childrens book on animals is considered idolatry?

Tv shows?, Books?, YouTube videos?
You following me?
I am sure there is nuenses involved otherwise we going back to stone age...

I find Mohammad Ali Mirza gives guidance with references from Quran and Sunnah. His opinion on Videos, Images and Cartoons/Books is available here.

@JawadKKhan

 

[JawadKKhan]

Muslims do not focus on important things like.

1. Aqeeda and the pillars of Islam and iman
2. Honesty in income and dealing
3. Lies - stay away from
4. Education

But focus is on irrelevant issues like the mannequin head or making sure women have no education or rights and shouting you love the prophet pbuh but doing the exact opposite of what he taught. One day cinema's are haram in Saudi next the are perfect for entertainment

Agreed. Adding to the list "Cleanliness" (half of the emaan). Our cities compared with west tells whole story. All those rules / restrictions should apply at right areas.. like bribery, throwing garbage out of cars,

@JawadKKhan;

You are quite agitated on mannequins - but I see they are not your issue. You are afraid that Afghan government would abuse human rights in the name of religion. Is that right?

But it is also clear you do not understand the difference between religion, culture and the era of technology you are born in. You have mixed them implying as if sitting on donkeys is a principle of Islam. If you go on this line then you might also imagine Islam asks you to fight wars with arrows and bows. Obviously, this is not true, Obviously sitting on donkeys is not an aspect of Islam and neither are phones, internet and computers haram which are means of earning, communication and business in this era of technology. But here is the real question to you: Why are you learning Islam from the people who do not follow it? The only source of Islam is Quran and Sunnah and NOT the mouth of a molvi, mullah or an act of Talib in Afghanistan. If this aspect is clear then we'll save ourselves from a lot of confusion and frustration. And please stop bashing Islam because you hate the Taliban or their unIslamic acts which may be driven by their culture or flat nonsense.

Now let's close the topic we opened in the first place: should mannequins have heads or not. Here's hadith from Sunan Nasai with Reference included. Its pretty clear that you cannot imitate the creation of Allah and this act invokes one of the biggest punishments there are. Being Muslims Alhamdolillah, if we had to choose between mannequins with heads or without it, what would you rather choose? One aspect can bring the maximum punishment there is - and other option might save you. Think in a quiet moment before you make a call. May Allah help you and us all follow the straight path. Aamin.

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أَخْبَرَنَا إِسْحَاقُ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ، وَقُتَيْبَةُ بْنُ سَعِيدٍ، عَنْ سُفْيَانَ، عَنِ الزُّهْرِيِّ، أَنَّهُ سَمِعَ الْقَاسِمَ بْنَ مُحَمَّدٍ، يُخْبِرُ عَنْ عَائِشَةَ، زَوْجِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَتْ دَخَلَ عَلَىَّ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم وَقَدْ سَتَّرْتُ بِقِرَامٍ فِيهِ تَمَاثِيلُ فَلَمَّا رَآهُ تَلَوَّنَ وَجْهُهُ ثُمَّ هَتَكَهُ بِيَدِهِ وَقَالَ ‏ "‏ إِنَّ أَشَدَّ النَّاسِ عَذَابًا يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ الَّذِينَ يُشَبِّهُونَ بِخَلْقِ اللَّهِ ‏"‏ ‏.‏

It was narrated that 'Aishah, the wife of the Prophet [SAW], said: "The Messenger of Allah [SAW] entered upon me, and I had put up a curtain on which there were images. When he saw it, his face changed color, then he tore it down with his hand and said: 'The people who will be most severely punished on the Day of Resurrection will be those who try to imitate the creation of Allah.'"

Sunan an-Nasa'i 5357

Sunan an-Nasa'i 5357 - The Book of Adornment - كتاب الزينة من السنن - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (saws) in English and Arabic

sunnah.com

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I agree what you said in this post. You and me are saying different thing. You didn't get what I was referring to. The point is not only manequins, its the regressive / radical approach towards everything... That society is doing all those actions which are regressive and radical making them even more extremists. I never said they are purely islamic.. Ummah was instructed to live with the age / generation of the times. The core faith remains same but rules, regulations of govts / their methodologies adapt according to times. Otherwise no society can face challenges of 21st century or modern world with 6th century customs.
The Taliban are illiterate & extremist regime, their actions needs to be strongly condemned in Pakistan.. whether its banning of education for women or any other regressive approaches. Otherwise extremist circles will take reflection of their actions here and will have consequences for us.

The problem with extremists is they take everything from 6th century AD literally as to be implemented in 21st century. Someone rightly pointed out everything is related with your intentions "niyat" if you are seeing a manequin OR photo in your laptop screen with the intention to worship it then your doomed.. but if you see it only as historic / ancient art and righly knows its not a god then why you have to really worry. Why we don't use our God gifted aqal. Its ridiculous to think that a creator of trillions of galaxies of unthinkable magnitude and sizes will judge humans on such tiny things where even they didn't mean to do something like that.. This very thinking takes us to the bottom and this thinking if applied in every aspect becomes the down-fall.. This haram, that haram, computer screen is haram.. Literature, music, inventions, education everything was part of islamic culture for the brief time and that time was the golden time of islamic civilizations.. Ummah was living with the age / generation of the times.. your beliefs / core faith never changed. The ultra conservative / radical regimes are always down fall for any civilization.

 

[Menace2Society]

I think you are grown enough to read Hadith and then decide if you need to make fun of it or not. In either case, you have material to judge yourself.

I'm not making fun, just seeing how far does the cookie crumble with this.

There is no explicit mention of statues being banned in the Quran. It only prohibits idolatry.

What I have read is scholars interpreting the text, they are building on it with their own opinion and they are reaching some very far fetched conclusions.

 

[Trango Towers]

I'm not making fun, just seeing how far does the cookie crumble with this.

So there is no explicit mention of statues being banned in Islam literature?

What I have read is scholars interpreting the text, they are building on it with their own opinion and they are reaching some very far fetched conclusions.

I avoid all so called scholars.

Tariq Jameel was at the death anniversary of khokars. As you know khokars are well known badmash and killers. Tariq Jameel is well respected in Pakistan. Money is money after all

 

[reflecthofgeismar]

So Talibs are one of those who get boner by looking at mannequins

When you are usually customized only to touching dancing boys, goat-shagging and marrying 1 decade old girls, I think it can happen.

 

[Longhorn]

Agreed. Adding to the list "Cleanliness" (half of the emaan). Our cities compared with west tells whole story. All those rules / restrictions should apply at right areas.. like bribery, throwing garbage out of cars,


I agree what you said in this post. You and me are saying different thing. You didn't get what I was referring to. The point is not only manequins, its the regressive / radical approach towards everything... That society is doing all those actions which are regressive and radical making them even more extremists. I never said they are purely islamic.. Ummah was instructed to live with the age / generation of the times. The core faith remains same but rules, regulations of govts / their methodologies adapt according to times. Otherwise no society can face challenges of 21st century or modern world with 6th century customs.
The Taliban are illiterate & extremist regime, their actions needs to be strongly condemned in Pakistan.. whether its banning of education for women or any other regressive approaches. Otherwise extremist circles will take reflection of their actions here and will have consequences for us.

The problem with extremists is they take everything from 6th century AD literally as to be implemented in 21st century. Someone rightly pointed out everything is related with your intentions "niyat" if you are seeing a manequin OR photo in your laptop screen with the intention to worship it then your doomed.. but if you see it only as historic / ancient art and righly knows its not a god then why you have to really worry. Why we don't use our God gifted aqal. Its ridiculous to think that a creator of trillions of galaxies of unthinkable magnitude and sizes will judge humans on such tiny things where even they didn't mean to do something like that.. This very thinking takes us to the bottom and this thinking if applied in every aspect becomes the down-fall.. This haram, that haram, computer screen is haram.. Literature, music, inventions, education everything was part of islamic culture for the brief time and that time was the golden time of islamic civilizations.. Ummah was living with the age / generation of the times.. your beliefs / core faith never changed. The ultra conservative / radical regimes are always down fall for any civilization.

You are right in everything you say.
Has God nothing better to do than micromanage every action of every human regardless of intention or context?
This thread is actually a very good illustration of the confusion and misplaced priorities that have led Islam and Muslims into the abyss of regression and irrelevance.
It is akin to the Muslims of Baghdad arguing about whether the crow was haraam or halaal while the Mongols were readying to ransack Baghdad.
What it boils down to is that you cannot implement a 7th century Arab desert culture into a 21st century interconnected, literate, technologically advanced, multicultural world and hope to prosper.
Music, art, culture, creativity and development is what makes humans human, it is also what brings out the best in humanity. Take these things away and you are left with a dour, uninspiring, stagnant, brutal, inward looking society and people and that is exactly what we have become.
In the narrow attempt to be everything "Muslim", we have forgotten how to be human.

 

[graphican]

You are right in everything you say.
Has God nothing better to do than micromanage every action of every human regardless of intention or context?
This thread is actually a very good illustration of the confusion and misplaced priorities that have led Islam and Muslims into the abyss of regression and irrelevance.
It is akin to the Muslims of Baghdad arguing about whether the crow was haraam or halaal while the Mongols were readying to ransack Baghdad.
What it boils down to is that you cannot implement a 7th century Arab desert culture into a 21st century interconnected, literate, technologically advanced, multicultural world and hope to prosper.
Music, art, culture, creativity and development is what makes humans human, it is also what brings out the best in humanity. Take these things away and you are left with a dour, uninspiring, stagnant, brutal, inward-looking society and people and that is exactly what we have become.
In the narrow attempt to be everything "Muslim", we have forgotten how to be human.

@Longhorn, @JawadKKhan;

I also see you guys and myself are trying to solve the same problem. The problem is Taliban's influence may leak through the borders and end up affecting connected trial areas as it had in the past. To prevent this from happening, you are suggesting to condemn everything the Taliban are doing because they are radical mindless stooges. This is where you are playing the game that favours the Taliban. If you do reject everything they do without realising some of those things are pure commandments of Allah, you will end up giving them ammunition against you and facilitate them build a case against you.

I hope you understand this passage.
We need to "pick and choose" what we accept and reject in Taliban. Let's replace the concept of mannequins with a drop of alcohol or a bite of pork as an alternate example. On these matters, the principles of Islam are very clear. If you oppose Taliban on these matters, you will be obviously going against the clear principles of Islam and end up favouring Taliban because they will bring verses and Ahadith of Prophet Muhammad SAWW to prove you wrong and do propaganda against you. However, you can selectively and rightly condemn Taliban where they are actually against Islam and the commands of Allah and Rasool Allah ﷺ; for example, preventing women education, drugs, "bachy-bazi" (adultery) and attacking Muslims after declaring them Munafiq. Why pick a battle on an aspect where the Taliban can prove themselves right and you wrong using the references from the Books? Why not actually destroy them where they are weak and religiously incorrect?

Islam is very flexible in many aspects and absolutely inflexible in the matters that are its foundation. You cannot equate eating crows with matters which invoke the highest punishment in Islam. I really hope you're not driven by the western definitions here and save yourself from knee jerk reactions on newspaper clips. We can effectively defeat Taliban by following just Quran and Sunnah ﷺ. Correct Islam can defeat Taliban or any pseudo-Islamic regime but if you add to the western troll, you will end up empowering them.

Wasalaam.