Afghan Govt claims Pak Army Captain, suicide bombers arrested in Afghanistan

[karan.1970]

Whatever Pakistan is doing or does is for its own survival and gains. Even if it was supporting Taliban regime before 2001 or after it.

Every country is doing this, even the US talked to Taliban for their own gain when it was about oil and gas pipelines.

So did US gave weapons to Iraq to fight against Iran and even gave weapons to Iran.

India supported LTTE and did not gave Sri Lankans offensive weapons enough saying it was becoz of the major Tamil population on this side of India and the consequences which may arise.

World is full of such examples.

Whatever Pakistan did and will do, will be for its own survival.

Every nation and country on this world does that, no one is a saint. There are much bigger games being played out there on strategic level which may be out of our reach to fully understand.

Every country's credibility is stained.

Again.. Not passing any judgement on Pakistan. Just that by supporting Taliban in Afghanistan, Pakistan has lost the high ground to pass judgement on Karzai govt ...

 

[karan.1970]

you want to question our credibility? on What basis that we supported former Afghan Regime? what are you talking about?


ISI will do what it thinks is best for its interests, its all about convergence & divergence of interests, is it hard to under stand, Indians must stop acting like innocent 10 year old kids who tells his mom,"mommy I slapped him once but he slapped me twice", I am still waiting to know one innocent intelligence agency, can you name one for me

Just responded on the same to TK.

On an innocent intelligence agency, that's one hell of an oxymoron.. If its innocent, its wouldnt be much of an intelligence agency.. Would it??

 

[karan.1970]

Isn't that sort of a diversion and an irrelevant argument? Because it doesn't have to be GoP to question the credibility of Afghan government.

Just check the post to which i responded to.. Which was rubbishing the credibility of Afg govt.. And you are right.. GoP can not question the credibility of GoA and thats exactly my point..

 

[SMC]

Just check the post to which i responded to.. Which was rubbishing the credibility of Afg govt.. And you are right.. GoP can not question the credibility of GoA and thats exactly my point..

You're not getting my point. You're using diversion tactics. It's irrelevant what the credibility of GoP is. GoP questioning or not questioning credibility of GoA does not improve or decrease the credibility of Afghan government. The credibility of GoA needs to be looked at it by itself.

The person whom you quoted is not part of GoP anyhow.

 

[DaRk WaVe]

Again.. Not passing any judgement on Pakistan. Just that by supporting Taliban in Afghanistan, Pakistan has lost the high ground to pass judgement on Karzai govt ...

Pakistan has all the right to Pass Judgment, Pakistan isn't Afghanistan, & moreover Yuu know the Mayor of P Residential Palace in Kabul recently threatened to Join Taliban, Afghan Security Apparatus & Setup is nothing more than a Bunch of 'Hash Lovers & Drug Lords', we can question them when ever we want to

& for 'innocent intelligence agency', please do tell Indians what you told me i.e. If its innocent, its wouldnt be much of an intelligence agency.. Would it??

 

[karan.1970]

You're not getting my point. You're using diversion tactics. It's irrelevant what the credibility of GoP is. GoP questioning or not questioning credibility of GoA does not improve or decrease the credibility of Afghan government. The credibility of GoA needs to be looked at it by itself.

The person whom you quoted is not part of GoP anyhow.

I dont know what you call diversion tactics.. May be you are getting diverted without my attempting to do that. What I am saying is simple. Pakistan has no standing in Afghanistan to term its govt as credible or not.. Folks can very well have their opinions, and thats what they are. The govt in Afghanistan, though weak and currently dependent on USA, is still as sovereign as Pakistan's or India's..

 

[karan.1970]

Pakistan has all the right to Pass Judgment, Pakistan isn't Afghanistan, & moreover Yuu know the Mayor of P Residential Palace in Kabul recently threatened to Join Taliban, Afghan Security Apparatus & Setup is nothing more than a Bunch of 'Hash Lovers & Drug Lords', we can question them when ever we want to

The same taliban who were given recognition by Pakistan.. So why does that negatively impact the credibility of Afghanistan govt??

I dont get your comment about you being able to question them...

 

[SMC]

I dont know what you call diversion tactics.. May be you are getting diverted without my attempting to do that. What I am saying is simple. Pakistan has no standing in Afghanistan to term its govt as credible or not.. Folks can very well have their opinions, and thats what they are. The govt in Afghanistan, though weak and currently dependent on USA, is still as sovereign as Pakistan's or India's..

Your diversion attempt is that you're bringing in Pakistan's credibility when discussing GoA credibility. Pakistan's credibility is irrelevant when questioning GoA credibility. Pakistan not having credibility or having any credibility is completely irrelevant.

Perhaps an analogy. There's 2 thieves. One makes fun of the other calling that person a thief. The other says it's hypocritical for a thief to call someone else a thief. It is hypocritical, however my main point, claiming hypocrisy still does not change the fact that the other person is a thief.

Same thing here. It is irrelevant what the credibility of GoP. Credibility of GoA needs to be looked at by itself.

There's a logical inference rule called Simplification.

Suppose A is true AND B is true. From that, we can conclude A is true. Very elementary, yes, but this is exactly what I am saying and you're not understanding.

Suppose GoA has no credibility and GoP has no credibility. GoP not having any credibility is completely irrelevant as it still stands that GoA has no credibility. Just substitude A = GoA having no credibility and B = GoP having no credibility in the formula above.

 

[Pakhtunkhwa Zmarai]

The Afghan people over whelmingly prefer India to Pakistan. Whatever good will there was towards Pakistan has been severely degraded by Pakistans actions, which we are slowly waking up to

Historically Afghanistan has always had cordial relations with India. Frankly, its because we consider them our natural, legitimate neighbours

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

The Afghan people over whelmingly prefer India to Pakistan. Whatever good will there was towards Pakistan has been severely degraded by Pakistans actions, which we are slowly waking up to
Historically Afghanistan has always had cordial relations with India. Frankly, its because we consider them our natural, legitimate neighbours

Hows tht by hosting 8 - 10 million afghan refugees?
Cheap smugled K-47s,heroine>prostituion?or illegal afghan settllements? tht our afghani brethern brought us in 70s?
If bastard zia hadnt had the brother-love-ummah relationship with afghanistan.........
Even today wat are afghans doing?Helping indian proxies against Pakistan?Asking TTP to ask for an independant country FATA and join Afghanistan?letters by governor of Kunar was seized from an afghan militant in waziristan?
Smuggling wheat,livestock,vegetables,drugs and prostitutions ???/Thank you very much we dont need tht kind of brothers.

And india is ur neighbors?I bet u guys still want Ashoka and ranjeet singh rulling u backstabbing kabulis?

 

[Xtremeownage]

Hows tht by hosting 8 - 10 million afghan refugees?
Cheap smugled K-47s,heroine>prostituion?or illegal afghan settllements? tht our afghani brethern bought in 70s?
If bastard zia had not had the brother-love-ummah relationship with afghanistan.........
Even today wat are afghans doing?Helping indian proxies against Pakistan?Asking TTP to ask for an independant country FATA and join Afghanistan?letters by governor of Kunar was seized from an afghan militant in waziristan?
Smuggling wheat,livestock,vegetables,drugs and prostitutions ???/Thank you very much we dont need tht kind of brothers.

And india is ur neighbors?I bet u guys still want Ashoka and ranjeet singh rulling u backstabbing kabulis?

Afghans have this delusional perception of reality... They portray themselves as great warriors fighting the Russians and Americans, but they didn't do anything for themselves.

If Pakistan didn't help these Afghans out in their time of need then they would still be slaves to the Soviets...

Pakistan gave them shelter, clothing, food, accomodations, land, and peace... And they return our favours with drugs, theft, anti-state nationalism, allying themselves with our enemies, and crime.

There should be a huge fence made seperating Pakistan and Afghanistan, and an effort to get rid of all anti-state activities that all trace their roots from foreign interference.

Let the Afghan's be proxies to the Indians, it doesn't matter. They have done nothing for themselves, even before the Taliban, Afghanistan's infrastructure was terrible and probably will be with their ridiculous mentality.

Zia-Ul-Haq really screwed it up for us... Damn guy was probably the worst leader we ever had!

 

[Slides]

Was the Afghan interior minister high during the al jazeera interview?

 

[Omar1984]

Why is it only Al Jazeera reporting this and no one else ???

Seems like big news if its actually true and if it were true then other news agencies would also be reporting on this matter.

 

[blain2]

The Afghan people over whelmingly prefer India to Pakistan. Whatever good will there was towards Pakistan has been severely degraded by Pakistans actions, which we are slowly waking up to

Historically Afghanistan has always had cordial relations with India. Frankly, its because we consider them our natural, legitimate neighbours

For as long as the Durrand line status remains up in the air, at least our suspicions will remain in place.

As for your relations with India, your country has all the right to have them.

One thing that I do want to point out is that your side is not the only side which has suffered and is waking up to the suffering. In Pakistan, there is an acute sense that Afghanistan problem has severely undermined Pakistan's stability and security and its because of this, Pakistan would like to see the Americans remain engaged in your country. The day the Americans leave, the aid will dry up and then all the regional countries will fall back to backing up their people in Afghanistan and the conflict, unfortunately, will start off anew.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

The GoA has routinely claimed that it has arrested 'militants' who belong to the ISI and what not in the past several years, and I have yet to hear of a case where they actually followed through.

That does not automatically mean that they did not capture a PA Captain fighting with militants in Afghanistan - but, if true, the capture does not indicate the PA or any other GoP institution is involved either.

Was the alleged PA captain a deserter? A rogue? A former Captain? I am not sure why the GoA did not put him in front of the media and provide his credentials/details so that the media at least could try and track him and validate the claims.