Afghan 'friendly fire' on checkpost kills five soldiers: official

[Joe Shearer]

1947 = Took half of Kashmir .

1965 = An army that was twice our size took a good amount of beating (including battle of Chawinda , largest tank battle after ww2 which you lost). Lets not go into Airforce where IAF was humbled and Dismantled by PAF .

1999 = It took you thousands of soldiers to dislodge few hundred soldiers in kargil . PA has taken responsibility for Kargil and posted names of 400 plus soldiers that were martyred . T he fact that it took you that long to handle few hundred NLI soldiers and in return you got 527 dead . Peak 5353 is still in our control btw .

Well maybe you should send some of your soldiers to us so we can train them how to kill terrorists in an instant rather then letting them run like mad men in airbase for 5 days .

1947 = took much more than half and got thrown out.

1965 = An army that was half the IA size attacked the IA and then found itself fighting to survive. You were jumping up and down about the PA, not the PAF, so what went wrong in your bragging that you had to drag in the PAF? AFAIK, you left many more tanks behind in Khem Karan, in Asal Uttar, than you destroyed anywhere else. Want me to drag out the stats and rub your face in it?

1999 = A few hundred soldiers on cliff-tops in fortified positions which iron bombs couldn't crack, and they were kicked out by frontal assault. Can you think of anything similar anywhere else in the world, other than ancient Greek attacks on clifftop forts? Pakistan flatly denied responsibility, and failed to take the dead bodies for burial until repeated reminders. They acknowledged the membership of the NLI of those killed long afterwards. Do you want your face rubbed in the printed evidence?

As for killing terrorists, of course you know better how to kill them. After all, you trained them. And you keep in practice killing them all the time within Pakistan, don't you? I don't know how that comes into your half-arsed statement that 1 to 1 the PA is a great force, but I can sympathise with you; it must be tough when you run out of data and out of arguments.

Poor little boy.

 

[Khan_21]

1947 = took much more than half and got thrown out.

1965 = An army that was half the IA size attacked the IA and then found itself fighting to survive. You were jumping up and down about the PA, not the PAF, so what went wrong in your bragging that you had to drag in the PAF? AFAIK, you left many more tanks behind in Khem Karan, in Asal Uttar, than you destroyed anywhere else. Want me to drag out the stats and rub your face in it?

1999 = A few hundred soldiers on cliff-tops in fortified positions which iron bombs couldn't crack, and they were kicked out by frontal assault. Can you think of anything similar anywhere else in the world, other than ancient Greek attacks on clifftop forts? Pakistan flatly denied responsibility, and failed to take the dead bodies for burial until repeated reminders. They acknowledged the membership of the NLI of those killed long afterwards. Do you want your face rubbed in the printed evidence?

As for killing terrorists, of course you know better how to kill them. After all, you trained them. And you keep in practice killing them all the time within Pakistan, don't you? I don't know how that comes into your half-arsed statement that 1 to 1 the PA is a great force, but I can sympathise with you; it must be tough when you run out of data and out of arguments.

Poor little boy.

1947 = Isn't Kashmir suppose to be your territory ? Whats stopping you from taking it ? Well atleast Pakistan has tried to get the other half of Kashmir . How many times has India tried? Zero . You know why ? Because you always punch below your weight when it comes to Pakistan despite being 5 times larger .

1965 = Both Lost 3000 + Soldiers . Again you are 5 times larger ? What stopped you from punching above your weight ?

1999 = 527 IA dead . 400 plus of ours dead . If planned well it would have been a much bigger nightmare for you . Musharraf kept few people in the loop . Whats with your obsession of owning kargil ? ofcourse Pakistan owns it . There are thousands of interviews on it .

2001 = Big Hoopla by Indian Media and lost 1500 of your men in the process. What happened ? 8 months of watching PA got you nervous?

2008 = Yet again? IA marching towards border only to go back in dismay .

As for 1-1 well can't you see apart from 71 in 3 other conflicts there were stalemates ? The less said about 2001 and 2008 the better for IA . As for 2016 , leave it . Pakistan army is currently battle hardened and is coming of a 7-8 years of successful battle experience in FATA . Your media is on record saying your army is short of ammo and is not ready for a war .

 

[A-Team]

This incident should not be ignored. The airforce of Afghanistan is already small with only a small number of helicopters, therefore calling for air support is rare. It is one of these rare incidences when air support was indeed available and the airforce was called in and surprise, they kill their own soldiers. I have rarely heard of airforce being used and perhaps this is the first time and on that first time Afghan soldiers were killed by their own airforce.

This incident proves that no matter what the west says, what America says Afghanistan is not ready to conduct its own operations, defeat terrorists and successfully beat back any foe that rises against it. Afghanistan has been made a mess by America and NATO and ISAF (also the taliban, drug cartels and warlords) and it is in no position to fight militants itself. America ran off unwilling to put more troops in danger and were cruelly negligent to the Afghans need for training.

I feel sorry for Afghanistan. Even its tiny airforce when used killed its own troops. Pakistan must support the Afghans and give them reason to pull away from India.

- The incident is being investigated as we speak

- The ANSF carries on average 100 missions every day and this is the first friendly fire mission that I can remember since the Afghans have taken a lead since 2014.

- Afghan forces every day ask for air assets and this is becoming a norm the issue is that Afghan special forces operate extremely close the enemy and sometimes mistakes happen the ground operators are getting better.

here is a video of 2016

 

[SarthakGanguly]

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KABUL: An Afghan air force strike killed five soldiers and a police officer in western Afghanistan, an official said Saturday, the latest in a series of so-called “friendly fire” incidents.

Afghan helicopters “mistakenly” bombed their own forces after calling in air support as they battled the Taliban in the Kensk area of Farah province late Friday, Dawlat Waziri, a defense ministry spokesman, said.

“Because of the wrong coordinates, helicopters bombed an Afghan forces' checkpoint that unfortunately left five soldiers and one police officers dead,” he said.

“An investigation into the incident has been launched,” he added.

Last month a US air raid killed eight Afghan policemen in the southern province of Uruzgan, in the first such incident since American forces were given greater powers to strike at insurgents.

The US military in Afghanistan, however, said its forces were not involved in the air strike in Farah.

Civilian and military casualties caused by NATO and Afghan forces have been one of the most contentious issues in the 15-year campaign against Taliban insurgents, prompting harsh public and government criticism.

A US air strike killed up to 10 Afghan soldiers in July last year at an army checkpoint in Logar province south of Kabul, one of the deadliest episodes of “friendly fire” by foreign forces in recent years.

Afghanistan has a tiny air force compared to NATO's fleet, which carried out supply operations, air strikes and emergency evacuations until the drawdown of foreign coalition forces in 2014.

The air force has recently began bombing Taliban militants as the fighting rages in several provinces across the country.

Afghanistan did not do anything. Must have been an accident/mishap. Please accept my condolences.
Please relax, there is no reason to start warmongering. This is most likely a fake attack.

 

[Spring Onion]

Friendly fire happens even to the best in the world, the US has a number of friendly incidents all over and couple in Afghanistan.

Call ANSF names is uncalled for especially there are fallen soliders we are talking about right now.

Anyways since you called ANSF out in time when they mourning their fallen, so here I am going to get out of line a bit here since you asked for it. Which army in our neighbourhood surrendered in droves and handed over half of the country?
I could post a picture when the head of the military was signing the letter of the surrender.

so let's not throw stones when you live in a house build out of glass. Doesn't look good on your when you resort to cheapshots.

But I will not post the picture out of respect for some the fallen Pak soldiers in 1971 war.

hmmmm how your own airforce failed to differentiate between Afghan forces and Taliban can be justified by bringing 71?
Not a single incident of friendly fire has been reported in Pakistan Army operations.

It is emotional bunch of goons like the one you mentioned who go on rampage.

 

[A-Team]

hmmmm how your own airforce failed to differentiate between Afghan forces and Taliban can be justified by bringing 71?
Not a single incident of friendly fire has been reported in Pakistan Army operations.

It is emotional bunch of goons like the one you mentioned who go on rampage.

Probably it's hard for you to imagine but in the chaos of war mistakes happen, the ground operator can make a mistake, the laser pointers can get faulty etc etc.

I brought 71 because @Khan_21 instead of understanding the gravity of the situation and how the ANSF pay with their blood started trolling ANSF, forgetting that ANSF may have lost a district or village but some in the region have lost half of the country.

So instead questioning the patriotism and the professionalism of a young institution who are keeping a neighbour's proxies at bay, one should look inwards and to know how one's institutions have done in times of conflict

I hate taking cheapshots but one must understand that we are talking about soldiers dying for their country and should respectful towards the fallen no matter which side they are.

Thank you for the attention, we are done discussing.

/Peace

 

[HttpError]

Maybe pilot had some naswar in his mouth ?

 

[Joe Shearer]

1947 = Isn't Kashmir suppose to be your territory ? Whats stopping you from taking it ? Well atleast Pakistan has tried to get the other half of Kashmir . How many times has India tried? Zero . You know why ? Because you always punch below your weight when it comes to Pakistan despite being 5 times larger .

You forget - or perhaps you never knew - that as far as Kashmir was concerned, the IA stepped in only after the Maharaja acceded to India and renewed his appeal for military support. By that time, western Jammu had been occupied, the Valley overrun until Srinagar airfield. After it was recaptured up until Skardu, Nehru referred the matter to the UN and a ceasefire was announced.

Where was the question of taking it?

Or do you mean how many times did India try to take Pakistan occupied Kashmir? The answer is zero; India has never thrust any aggression on Pakistan. That is the point I was making.

1965 = Both Lost 3000 + Soldiers . Again you are 5 times larger ? What stopped you from punching above your weight ?

3,000 Indian soldiers to 3,800 + Pakistani soldiers. Considering that one side keeps moaning that the other side is five times bigger, the ratio should have been 19,000 to 3,800. Do you get it yet? You lost savagely disproportionately; how do you claim victory or even parity?

1999 = 527 IA dead . 400 plus of ours dead . If planned well it would have been a much bigger nightmare for you . Musharraf kept few people in the loop . Whats with your obsession of owning kargil ? ofcourse Pakistan owns it . There are thousands of interviews on it .

Obviously you have neither seen a battle in your life nor served. A straight-out assault against sheer cliffs against a fortified enemy, and that is all the casualties we suffered? Since you have no way to compare and can only blabber about 'if planned well', without anything to suggest what that 'planned well' might have been, like every other civilian armchair strategist, go look up the casualty figures for Monte Cassino. You probably don't even know what that was, until you saw me mention it just now. 'Owned' Kargil, indeed, with all your troops thrown out, your main ammo. dump up in flames and massive casualties among the retreating soldiers; aren't you lucky you didn't 'lose' Kargil? If owning it leads to these massive casualties, you can't afford to 'own' anything, not even your underwear. And if you 'owned' it, what led to the delay in taking the bodies? A sudden attack of shyness? A refusal to be seen in public without burkhas?

2001 = Big Hoopla by Indian Media and lost 1500 of your men in the process. What happened ? 8 months of watching PA got you nervous?

2008 = Yet again? IA marching towards border only to go back in dismay .

These you count as battles? LOL. Are you so hard-up? Why not count peacetime casualties in traffic accidents and show that you won peacetime as well? Pathetic.

As for 1-1 well can't you see apart from 71 in 3 other conflicts there were stalemates ? The less said about 2001 and 2008 the better for IA .

What 'conflict' was this, O pajama-wallah hero? Where neither side fired a shot? What next? You want a water-throwing competition? How about a pillow fight?

As for 2016 , leave it . Pakistan army is currently battle hardened and is coming of a 7-8 years of successful battle experience in FATA . Your media is on record saying your army is short of ammo and is not ready for a war .

So we are not ready for war. That proves what, exactly? That the PA is better fighting wars when there are no wars? Do you think before you write? Sorry, that should read, do you think?

FATA is battle experience? The Indian Army has fought a ten times deadlier counter-insurgency in Nagaland, and has been fighting it ever since the 50s. You don't even know what battle hardening is.

It is amazing how weak your arguments are. But perhaps you yourself have figured it out, judging by the examples in your previous post. It must feel awful when you are scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Considering that you know nothing about warfare, about battles and winning strategy, about anything military, in fact, it is best that you spend every future outbreak of hostilities with the cheer-leaders. Imagine how much fun it will be for you, dressed in tight leotards with a large furry pompom above your butt.

I'm not replying any more of your posts. I shouldn't have replied the last one. What a waste of time!

 

[Khan_21]

You forget - or perhaps you never knew - that as far as Kashmir was concerned, the IA stepped in only after the Maharaja acceded to India and renewed his appeal for military support. By that time, western Jammu had been occupied, the Valley overrun until Srinagar airfield. After it was recaptured up until Skardu, Nehru referred the matter to the UN and a ceasefire was announced.

Where was the question of taking it?

Or do you mean how many times did India try to take Pakistan occupied Kashmir? The answer is zero; India has never thrust any aggression on Pakistan. That is the point I was making.



3,000 Indian soldiers to 3,800 + Pakistani soldiers. Considering that one side keeps moaning that the other side is five times bigger, the ratio should have been 19,000 to 3,800. Do you get it yet? You lost savagely disproportionately; how do you claim victory or even parity?



Obviously you have neither seen a battle in your life nor served. A straight-out assault against sheer cliffs against a fortified enemy, and that is all the casualties we suffered? Since you have no way to compare and can only blabber about 'if planned well', without anything to suggest what that 'planned well' might have been, like every other civilian armchair strategist, go look up the casualty figures for Monte Cassino. You probably don't even know what that was, until you saw me mention it just now. 'Owned' Kargil, indeed, with all your troops thrown out, your main ammo. dump up in flames and massive casualties among the retreating soldiers; aren't you lucky you didn't 'lose' Kargil? If owning it leads to these massive casualties, you can't afford to 'own' anything, not even your underwear. And if you 'owned' it, what led to the delay in taking the bodies? A sudden attack of shyness? A refusal to be seen in public without burkhas?



These you count as battles? LOL. Are you so hard-up? Why not count peacetime casualties in traffic accidents and show that you won peacetime as well? Pathetic.



What 'conflict' was this, O pajama-wallah hero? Where neither side fired a shot? What next? You want a water-throwing competition? How about a pillow fight?



So we are not ready for war. That proves what, exactly? That the PA is better fighting wars when there are no wars? Do you think before you write? Sorry, that should read, do you think?

FATA is battle experience? The Indian Army has fought a ten times deadlier counter-insurgency in Nagaland, and has been fighting it ever since the 50s. You don't even know what battle hardening is.

It is amazing how weak your arguments are. But perhaps you yourself have figured it out, judging by the examples in your previous post. It must feel awful when you are scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Considering that you know nothing about warfare, about battles and winning strategy, about anything military, in fact, it is best that you spend every future outbreak of hostilities with the cheer-leaders. Imagine how much fun it will be for you, dressed in tight leotards with a large furry pompom above your butt.

I'm not replying any more of your posts. I shouldn't have replied the last one. What a waste of time!

How many indians have held a gun their life? This will answer all the credibility that you and all the so called indians defence analysts have.

I am an ethnic pashtun and have grown up with shit you have seen , heard and analysized about all your life on forums. No need to make a fool out of yourself on a forum and act like a bigshot here. Or maybe you are one of those guys who's whole life is spend trying to being a badass on an internet forum and is a pussy in real life ?. If you can't discuss things in a manner then you are free to watch Movies like Phantom or Border will you get all your master Strategies and military knowledge from.

 

[pakistani342]

1947 = took much more than half and got thrown out.

1965 = An army that was half the IA size attacked the IA and then found itself fighting to survive. You were jumping up and down about the PA, not the PAF, so what went wrong in your bragging that you had to drag in the PAF? AFAIK, you left many more tanks behind in Khem Karan, in Asal Uttar, than you destroyed anywhere else. Want me to drag out the stats and rub your face in it?

1999 = A few hundred soldiers on cliff-tops in fortified positions which iron bombs couldn't crack, and they were kicked out by frontal assault. Can you think of anything similar anywhere else in the world, other than ancient Greek attacks on clifftop forts? Pakistan flatly denied responsibility, and failed to take the dead bodies for burial until repeated reminders. They acknowledged the membership of the NLI of those killed long afterwards. Do you want your face rubbed in the printed evidence?

As for killing terrorists, of course you know better how to kill them. After all, you trained them. And you keep in practice killing them all the time within Pakistan, don't you? I don't know how that comes into your half-arsed statement that 1 to 1 the PA is a great force, but I can sympathise with you; it must be tough when you run out of data and out of arguments.

Poor little boy.

And I thought Pakistani Textbooks were corrupted -- thank you for showing us that our neighbors have simply better painted masks.

 

[danish_vij]

How many indians have held a gun their life? This will answer all the credibility that you and all the so called indians defence analysts have.

I am an ethnic pashtun and have grown up with shit you have seen , heard and analysized about all your life on forums. No need to make a fool out of yourself on a forum and act like a bigshot here. Or maybe you are one of those guys who's whole life is spend trying to being a badass on an internet forum and is a pussy in real life ?. If you can't discuss things in a manner then you are free to watch Movies like Phantom or Border will you get all your master Strategies and military knowledge from.

actually if u read carefully he did discuss in a manner.. u were the one taking cheapshots first at ANSF then India & all the hoopla over battle hardened best army best air force since 1947!

so holding a gun explains what ? u held a gun so you are a soldier? or analyst? how does an indian not holding an excuse??

war strategies are not made with guns but with brains!!..gun are just used to implement them & we have enough guns in hand of our soldiers!
@Joe Shearer chill mate...dont bother low quality posts

@Topic: RIP soldiers, thats not a way soldier should die...may god give their families enough strength to fill the void in their family

 

[Khan_21]

actually if u read carefully he did discuss in a manner.. u were the one taking cheapshots first at ANSF then India & all the hoopla over battle hardened best army best air force since 1947!

so holding a gun explains what ? u held a gun so you are a soldier? or analyst? how does an indian not holding an excuse??

war strategies are not made with guns but with brains!!..gun are just used to implement them & we have enough guns in hand of our soldiers!
@Joe Shearer chill mate...dont bother low quality posts

@Topic: RIP soldiers, thats not a way soldier should die...may god give their families enough strength to fill the void in their family

The only war strategies Indians know of are the ones through anti - Pakistan Movies. No wonder you believe in spy pigeon and camel stuff.

You guys are such high profile analysts wth are all doing on PDF?

 

[danish_vij]

And I thought Pakistani Textbooks were corrupted -- thank you for showing us that our neighbors have simply better painted masks.

at least their is acknowledgement

The only war strategies Indians know of are the ones through anti - Pakistan Movies. No wonder you believe in spy pigeon and camel stuff.

You guys are such high profile analysts wth are all doing on PDF?

? who said that? u are a typical pakistani putting words in someones mouth! enjoy ur lala story world against pakistan