Afghan Endgame: US Withdrawal, Taliban negotiations, Pakistan's position

[pakdefender]

I don't think US/NATO troops are gonna leave that easily as many pakistanis would like. Even if they do pullout all combat troops, I have a feeling the drones will stay.

The drone attacks cannot go on indefinitely, a reduced US military foot print in Afghanistan could embolden the Gov of Pakistan to order the shooting down the drones to garner public support for the next elections.

Whoever will order the shooting down of the first drone will get a massive boost in their ratings in Pakistan and politicians in Pakistan know this very well.

 

[pakdefender]

Says who?

You have hid behind the Americans up till now without committing anything militarily, Indian presence in Afghanistan will take a hammering once the Americans leave

 

[KS]

I don't think the Pakistan Administration would permit the US to have a full scale war inside the country. If there was a full scale war against the nation of Pakistan, this would spell nothing but disaster for everyone, including the US of course. The TTP might not focus their efforts against the Pakistani state then, but on the US.

US is out their reach. Forget that. The soft and easy targets are the markets, malls in Quetta, Peshawar,Lahore etc.

And what has US got to do in this ? They have already left the region, Remember ?

 

[muse]

Going through the thread I wondered when someone would ask why, even as it is evacuating, will the US want to see conflict increase within Pakistan - What are the goals the US hopes to pursue even as it is going to evacuate Afghanistan? Why would the US want to continue to seek permanent bases in Afghanistan?

 

[Black Widow]

Troop Withdrawal is just a Drama by Mr Obama... Look at the graph...

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/Troops.jpg

Before Mr Obama Became Prez (Jan 2009) there were 31,000 Us troop in Afghanistan, He pumped 70,000 extra troops in just 29 month, In next 29 months He will bring back the number to 31,000 US troops...

Think over it, he did nothing amazing, He is just taking out the extra troops what he pushed in last 29 months...

 

[53fd]

US is out their reach. Forget that. The soft and easy targets are the markets, malls in Quetta, Peshawar,Lahore etc.

And why would US permit that ? They have left the region, Remember ?

The US won't be out of reach if they still have deployed hundreds of thousands of troops inside Afghanistan, & is using Afghanistan to launch strikes inside Pakistan. Tell me, what is stopping the US to use drone strikes against Quetta, Peshawar, Lahore right now? Drone strikes need specific targets, co-ordinates on where to strike. For that, you need ample verified intelligence on the ground. The US doesn't have that for Quetta, Peshawar, Lahore; it only does for Miramshah, Mir Ali, Wana etc regions in the FATA. But whatever, you are prone to futile discussions, ignoring ground realities & arguing pointlessly in your blind hatred of Pakistan, so whatever floats your boat.

 

[pakdefender]

US is out their reach. Forget that. The soft and easy targets are the markets, malls in Quetta, Peshawar,Lahore etc.

And what has US got to do in this ? They have already left the region, Remember ?

Without US presence in the region if the TTP or any other group continues their murderous campaign, they will be wiped out like being even lesser than the worthless insects that they are.

The excuse these groups have used to conduct attacks in Pakistan's alignment with the US. They have fed off this excuse from the start of the conflict.

With the US out of the picture, the anti-US stance on which they feed on will get taken out and any terrorist activity from their side will be viewed very negatively in the wider public eye giving the military the opportunity to use even a bigger hammer than what is being used now.

In terms of fire power we have a lot more at our disposal.

 

[pakdefender]

You tried shooting down drones remember? Sadly for you guys it was almost a 2% success rate.



Lol paranoid much? If we haven't committed anything militarily, why are you guys so worried about India building infrastructure in Afghanistan?

shooting down drones is easy for the airforce , the political will and the orders to do so aren't there for the moment but this could change , anything can change

here is a picture of an israeli UAV that was being operated out of india which was shot down over Pakistan

India is supporting insurgency in Pakistan through its presence in Afghanistan under the protection of the US, with the US protections gone we'll have Indians dragged and hung in Kabul.

What has gone over the past 10 years will not be forgiven and forgotten

 

[a. hussain]

I don't think the Pakistan Administration would permit the US to have a full scale war inside the country. If there was a full scale war against the nation of Pakistan, this would spell nothing but disaster for everyone, including the US of course. The TTP might not focus their efforts against the Pakistani state then, but on fighting the US in that scenario.

Brother, why a major part of our Nation are overlooking the fact that Sept 11, was just a reason created to encircle Pakistan and strangle it. Our Govt's/ Forces assisted intentionally/ unintentionally WEST in reaching nearer to their desire. Do you still believe that WEST will just leave and miss their well planned objectives without their prime target 'PAKISTAN'. No they have their stooges inside & outside Pakistan. Furthermore all anti-Pakistan forces are financially and morally supporting them directly/ indirectly and this TTP is a tool most vigrously used by them and God forbid this evel outfit will continue to play in their hands. In my opinion, Govt & Agencies should now be much more vigilant and careful to unearth and destroy their network at the earliest.

Lets pray for the best for us all (Pakistani's) in this time of need.

Thanks

 

[KS]

The US won't be out of reach if they still have deployed hundreds of thousands of troops inside Afghanistan, & is using Afghanistan to launch strikes inside Pakistan. Tell me, what is stopping the US to use drone strikes against Quetta, Peshawar, Lahore right now? Drone strikes need specific targets, co-ordinates on where to strike. For that, you need ample verified intelligence on the ground. The US doesn't have that for Quetta, Peshawar, Lahore; it only does for Miramshah, Mir Ali, Wana etc regions in the FATA.

I was talking about the scenario when the US completely leaves the region, like what they did in 1990. Read and understand fully what I wrote before frothing.

But whatever, you are prone to futile discussions, ignoring ground realities & arguing pointlessly in your blind hatred of Pakistan, so whatever floats your boat.

Actually given the circumstances, I should be the one using the phrase.

 

[Black Widow]

I was talking about the scenario when the US completely leaves the region, like what they did in 1990. Read and understand fully what I wrote before frothing.



Actually given the circumstances, I should be the one using the phrase.

Karthik , Afghan war get over in 1989, USA abandon there Frankenstein in year 1990-1, In 2001 the monster awake and brought back USA to Afghanistan...

In 2014 again USA abandon Afghanistan, in 2024 they will again come to finish the unfinished job...

 

[KS]

Karthik , Afghan war get over in 1989, USA abandon there Frankenstein in year 1990-1, In 2001 the monster awake and brought back USA to Afghanistan...

In 2014 again USA abandon Afghanistan, in 2024 they will again come to finish the unfinished job...

Frankly who cares ? Its their country, their policy. It is only upto a limit that things can be said as after all God has given Grey matter to all...Didn't he ? It is upto one self to use it.

Let us just try to build wall on the border and continue on the path we have been going for the past two decades - economic development.

 

[53fd]

I was talking about the scenario when the US completely leaves the region, like what they did in 1990. Read and understand fully what I wrote before frothing.

The US has said it won't be leaving the region completely. It would need to deploy troops to secure the sites in a hypothetical situation of where drones would be launched from Afghanistan inside Pakistan. The US has also said that they will retain troops post 2014 to make sure the terrorists don't control the region again. So again, you're mindlessly discussing something, without looking at the realities on the ground, in your blind hatred of Pakistan.

 

[KS]

The US has said it won't be leaving the region completely. It would need to deploy troops to secure the sites in a hypothetical situation of where drones would be launched from Afghanistan inside Pakistan. The US has also said that they will retain troops post 2014 to make sure the terrorists don't control the region again.

Drones can be launched easily from Bagram or Mazar-e-Sharif under the control of NA. Not a big deal withdrawing from South. Also the US forces will be present in highly secure Mil Bases and not actively involved in fighting like they are now.

So again, you're mindlessly discussing something, without looking at the realities on the ground, in your blind hatred of Pakistan.

Oh please ! Cut down on this ..will you ? Try to argue not emotionally blabber. You know nothing of me to decide my state of mind.

 

[CENTCOM]

the american intent all along has been to use afghanistan as a launching pad for attacking Pakistan.
we should make sure that they dont get a safe and easy passage out of afghanistan

Dear “Pakdefender”:

The US mission in Afghanistan is to remove the terror network responsible for the massacre of thousands of people on 9/11/2001. Al-Qaeda (AQ) was, with Taliban permission, using Afghanistan as a safe haven to conduct terrorist activities around the world. The hard work of Afghan, US and international forces is freeing Afghans from AQ and Taiban and has put Afghanistan on the path to recovery. Has not, forum readers, the US laid the foundation for Afghanistan security forces to act with enough autonomy and self determination so that a successful US drawdown occurs on time and one schedule? Witness how our phased responsible drawdown from Iraq provides a perfect example of our successful drawdown from Afghanistan.

Pakistan is a key ally on this WOT, because TTP and other terrorists’ organizations have already murdered thousands of Pakistanis. These terrorists view us as a common threat preventing them from achieving their evil agenda? The US will continue to thwart terrorists and protect the sovereignty of Pakistan and any rumors suggesting that the US is planning to attack Pakistan are absolutely false. We wish and desire a strong Pakistan able to defeat all enemies internal and external.

CDR Bill Speaks,
DET, United States Central Command
U.S. Central Command