Afghan Endgame: US Withdrawal, Taliban negotiations, Pakistan's position

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There is no denying that US lost it's stragetic purpose in Afghan.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Has Pakistan confronted India/US/Afghanistan once with the proof ? And coming from Pakistan it needs more than just proof. It needs hard, irrefutable proof.

When is Rahman Malik going to find the "opportune" time to reveal the proof or is it going to be just hot air forever.

Didn't Wikileaks bust the American and Afghan lies and denials over 'not sheltering Brahamdegh Bugit and Baluch terrorists in Afghanistan'? Did wikileaks not clearly expose American, UN and Afghan officials (Karzai no less one of them) as discussing the sheltering of Bugti by the Afghans? Did Bugit not then fly out of Afghanistan to Switzerland and apply for Asylum?

How on earth could the above be possible without active official Afghan and US collusion in sheltering and helping escape one of Pakistans most wanted terrorist leaders?

And we not know any of the above were it not for wikileaks disclosures by US officials narrating their own contacts and knowledge of most of the above events. The Afghans and US would still be denying it and calling Pakistan 'paranoid'.

 

[Bhairava]

Didn't Wikileaks bust the American and Afghan lies and denials over 'not sheltering Brahamdegh Bugit and Baluch terrorists in Afghanistan'? Did wikileaks not clearly expose American, UN and Afghan officials (Karzai no less one of them) as discussing the sheltering of Bugti by the Afghans? Did Bugit not then fly out of Afghanistan to Switzerland and apply for Asylum?

How on earth could the above be possible without active official Afghan and US collusion in sheltering and helping escape one of Pakistans most wanted terrorist leaders?

And we not know any of the above were it not for wikileaks disclosures by US officials narrating their own contacts and knowledge of most of the above events. The Afghans and US would still be denying it and calling Pakistan 'paranoid'.

So you believe Wikileaks fully or only some select leaks which favours Pak's position ?

I can refute your post only after I get the answer for this.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

So you believe Wikileaks fully or only some select leaks which favours Pak's position ?

I can refute your post only after I get the answer for this.

are your trying a flame war? what kind of a question is that? Is Pakistan not allowed to refer to wiki leaks that is so frequently used against it?

why not I put this question back to you? would you only choose to accept the leaks that show Pakistan in a bad way? and refuse to accept the leaks if they expose the truth about BLA terrorist leader?

since all anti Pakistani rhetoric is accepted from any tom dick and Harry on its face value so why bar Pakistan?

You have already branded Rehman Malik’s allegations as hot air what do you say about this leaked report?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

So you believe Wikileaks fully or only some select leaks which favours Pak's position ?

I can refute your post only after I get the answer for this.

I believe Wikileaks so far as it concerns American officials narrating their own conversations with officials. These officials are named, and their conversations contain, for the most part, direct quotes, and in this case refer to themselves.

There is no vested interest for American officials to 'concoct' these reports that show them as sheltering terrorists.

 

[Bhairava]

are your trying a flame war? what kind of a question is that? Is Pakistan not allowed to refer to wiki leaks that is so frequently used against it?

why not I put this question back to you? would you only choose to accept the leaks that show Pakistan in a bad way? and refuse to accept the leaks if they expose the truth about BLA terrorist leader?

since all anti Pakistani rhetoric is accepted from any tom dick and Harry on its face value so why bar Pakistan?

You have already branded Rehman Malik’s allegations as hot air what do you say about this leaked report?

Why are you acting so sensitive ? Is this not the standard response that is given to anyone who post any anti-Pakistani leak that how it is a figment of imagination with the sole purpose of maligning Pakistan internationally ?

I just wanted to know your position of whether you believe or dont believe the Wikileaks so that I can refute accordingly. A yes or no would suffice.

I believe Wikileaks so far as it concerns American officials narrating their own conversations with officials. These officials are named, and their conversations contain, for the most part, direct quotes, and in this case refer to themselves.

There is no vested interest for American officials to 'concoct' these reports that show them as sheltering terrorists.

Good, now can I take that as a "Yes" for my question ?

As for the vested interest part, we are not part of any establishment to decide on that. We are just arm chair gens.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Good, now can I take that as a "Yes" for my question ?

I did not offer a 'blanket yes' to your question - not everything in wikileaks is from a direct named source, and therefore not everything revealed by wikileaks is as credible.

As for the vested interest part, we are not part of any establishment to decide on that. We are just arm chair gens.

My point is that these are American diplomatic cables being sent to DC, by American officials, quoting American officials in meetings with other officials and personalities.

These are not 'opinions'. The recorded conversations of American officials in these cables, regarding Bugti, clearly show an official knowledge of the sheltering of Bugti by Afghanistan. Even a UN official is named.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Why are you acting so sensitive ? Is this not the standard response that is given to anyone who post any anti-Pakistani leak that how it is a figment of imagination with the sole purpose of maligning Pakistan internationally ?

I just wanted to know your position of whether you believe or dont believe the Wikileaks so that I can refute accordingly. A yes or no would suffice.



Good, now can I take that as a "Yes" for my question ?

As for the vested interest part, we are not part of any establishment to decide on that. We are just arm chair gens.

not being sensitive just puzzled about the usefulness of your post. you have justified the terrorist acts of BLA and Mukti Bahni in earlier posts so would you also justify the Haqqani group fighting the occupation? Has NATO not occupied their country? And is killing civilian in its bombings? Would you accept Karzai’s criticism of such American bombings or only if criticism is Pakistan specific only?

Unlike yourself, you should know that we are very self critical nation and we don’t chose stories on the basis of being anti or in favour of Pakistan. We criticise our government, our clergy, our military our judiciary as we criticise the terrorists so such questions from you are waste of time. Yes we are bound to react badly when reports are maliciously bended and facts omitted to show Pakistan negatively as a matter of habit because its in fashion to do so in the international news media.

Sadly a simple yes and no doesn’t suffice when the members of our two countries are involved.
Every debate is prone to getting derailed with one making a claim other responding to it and so forth.

 

[Respect4Respect01]

British Foreign Secretary William Hague said Pakistan has a major role to play for Afghan peace.



Hague said his country recognised the sacrifices rendered by Pakistan in the fight against extremism and terror.



Speaking at a news briefing following his joint visit to Afghanistan and Pakistan with the UAE Foreign Minister, Hague said he was encouraged by his discussion with the Pakistani leadership on a range of issues common to both the countries. Hague said in his discussion, the Pakistani leaders called for promoting reconciliation process in Afghanistan.



Answering another question, the British Foreign Secretary said that British military trainers have been withdrawn from Pakistan on security grounds. Their withdrawal, he said, would not affect the ties between the two countries which remained solid and cordial.



On the question of drone attacks, he said this issue needed to be resolved between Pakistan and the United States.