ADB refuses to fund mega dam project

[Blue Marlin]

7100mw is for Bunji Hydropower project. It's technically not a dam, just a reservoir but not anything like Diamer-Bhasha Dam or Kalabagh dam with capacity to irrigate millions of acres of land for agricultural purposes.

Well the people of KPK and Sindh had reservations about Kalabagh Dam.

The KPK government particularly (ANP Party) believes that KPK will suffer the most after construction of Kalabagh Dam. Some of their cities will have to be submerged, around 100,000 people will be relocated and there will be a lot of havoc in the province. Then the design is such that it ends up generating electricity in the region of Punjab so KPK will not be able to collect adequate financial benefits from it.

The Sindh Government (PPP Government) maintained a stance that the water will be stored in Punjab and Sindh is already suffering from water crisis and it is likely that their due share of water may not be given to them if it is stored by Punjab. It is just a misconception created for political reasons as the water will obviously flow through the indus river and being a same country, they wouldn't want to block the water anyway.

The bottom line is, their reservations could have been addressed after providing adequate share in the project but I believe ANP and PPP made it more like a political issue and the situation has been such from where it is almost impossible for them to backtrack from their original stance. So the incumbent government since 1980s have been trying to explore alternatives in order to avoid any genuine tussle amongst the provinces and have been postponing the project despite being the cheapest and most convenient Hydropower project with potential to irrigate millions of acres of land. The Diamer-Bhasha dam is much bigger project compared to Kalabagh but the problem it has is, Its situated in parts of Kashmir and upon immense pressure from the Indian government, It has not been able to secure funds from International community. Also, we have explored alternatives as the first priority so the government wants to build those projects first which can be completed with least of headache and provide similar results for the national economy. The Diamer-Bhasha dam is likely to be built after finding adequate funds which is not going to be far considering the GDP of Pakistan has also been growing respectively and they will be in much better position to partially fund the project by their own.

sorry i got the names mixed up there, my bad.

so it can irrigate millions of acres of land and give 7100mw. heck why aint this on the priority list regardless of the bickering? so you say this Diamer-Bhasha dam is in pakistan kashmir and the indians aren't too keen on pakistan and due to pressure funding is a bit of a problem. fair enough but working in parallel at different rates would not be a problem. so for example getting funding for the Diamer-Bhasha dam and resolving the buji dam dispute at the same time would not be a problem. it not like theres only one group of people working on the projects?

this is a bit of topic but a while ago you opened a thread asking on an opinion for a car. what did you go for at the end. was it the skoda?

 

[LeGenD]

Pakistan cannot become hostage of politically motivated tussles. Where billions have already been spent a few hundred million to initiate the project won't make much of a difference. Pakistan should directly approach China and skip the ADB. This mega dam is a vital part to meet our energy requirements. All these banks and other institutes are controlled by outside powers and they won't let anything become a success inside Pakistan. The past history is enough proof. Such projects have been held hostage by banks and outside powers for decades.

He said the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) was conducting a feasibility study on the Diamer-Bhasha dam

You just know how fvcked up things are when you have to rely on USAID for everything including a feasibility study for a mega dam! That is really sad. PML-N owes its very existence to the Americans and this is becoming very clear.

You need to tone-down your Anti-American rhetoric a notch and learn the facts.

Americans did not impose the rule of PML(N) on Pakistan, people of the country did that in 2013 elections. And before that, the beloved Saudi Arabia came to the rescue of PML(N) leadership during the rule of former COAS Pervez Musharraf, who wanted to take action against it. And even before that, PML(N) owes its origin to deceased COAS Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq, who orchestrated this political movement to checkmate PPP.

The World Bank studied the feasibility of Kala Bagh Dam and was willing to finance its construction. However, this project became a casualty of misguided Pakistani politics. Later on, PPP proposed Diamer-Bhasha Dam as an alternative to Kala Bagh Dam to address the problem of prevalent energy crises and requested The World Bank to finance its construction instead. However, The World Bank refused. Then, Asian Development Bank was approached to finance its construction, and now this news.

USAID does its work professionally, and we should be glad that it is even entertaining this quagmire.

The fucked-up part is that Pakistani economy is not self-sufficient and Pakistani nation corrupt to the core, plagued by ill-advised political disputes on the front end. Because of that, foreign aid is the only option left to fund a mega-project in the country. And then we have guys like you, with stupendous Anti-American narrative, trying to spin every effort of an American agency to finance our projects into a conspiracy theory. End result is unwarranted scare-mongering and suspicion that jeopardizes any effort to normalize Pak-US relations.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

This maybe a signal that CPEC may be coming to a halt till their is some stability or change of pak government ...

CPEC is in full swing and the benefits are already being reaped. That is the ground reality which I witnessed a few months ago myself.

Not EVERY project that will benefit Pakistan will get the go-ahead initially. It's a long process that will have many stumbling blocks and obstacles.

This in fact is evidence that Pakistan is moving in the right direction, making progress and trying to overcome hindrances in this long journey. In this long bumpy road ahead.

 

[Hyde]

sorry i got the names mixed up there, my bad.

so it can irrigate millions of acres of land and give 7100mw. heck why aint this on the priority list regardless of the bickering? so you say this Diamer-Bhasha dam is in pakistan kashmir and the indians aren't too keen on pakistan and due to pressure funding is a bit of a problem. fair enough but working in parallel at different rates would not be a problem. so for example getting funding for the Diamer-Bhasha dam and resolving the buji dam dispute at the same time would not be a problem. it not like theres only one group of people working on the projects?

this is a bit of topic but a while ago you opened a thread asking on an opinion for a car. what did you go for at the end. was it the skoda?

You messed it up again, The dispute is about Kalabagh Dam which is about 3600MW project will provide about 7 million acres of land for irrigation purposes.

The Bunji hydropower project is under construction but only primarily funded by the Government of Pakistan for purchase of land and other technical resources. It will take up the pace once some existing projects have been completed as the world does not want to invest blindly in every project of Pakistan.

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Well I wanted to go for Skoda really but I got a very good deal for Audi A6 S Line from 2007. It was recently repaired costing about £2000 for repairs alone, has low mileage and drives like New. Really happy with the purchase as its really driving like a dream. So powerful, smooth and got excellent Premium Sound system for me to entertain for the duration of my journey.

Here is the video of it

I am sure you will lend me your Bentley when I plan to go Europe

PS: Sorry MODs for being Off-Topic

 

[Blue Marlin]

You messed it up again, The dispute is about Kalabagh Dam which is about 3600MW project will provide about 7 million acres of land for irrigation purposes.

The Bunji hydropower project is under construction but only primarily funded by the Government of Pakistan for purchase of land and other technical resources. It will take up the pace once some existing projects have been completed as the world does not want to invest blindly in every project of Pakistan.

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Well I wanted to go for Skoda really but I got a very good deal for Audi A6 S Line from 2007. It was recently repaired costing about £2000 for repairs alone, has low mileage and drives like New. Really happy with the purchase as its really driving like a dream. So powerful, smooth and got excellent Premium Sound system for me to entertain for the duration of my journey.

Here is the video of it

PS: Sorry MODs for being Off-Topic

damn it so buji provides the power and is under construction with no problems
whilst kalabagh provides the water and is the disputed plant

so you got the estate a7. did you do a pre purchase inspection?
nice car but i assume you went for the 3.0tdi which are thristy. and audis as a whole are expensive things. a friend of mine recently flogged one. keep an eye out for the handbrake as they tend to go quiet easily.

 

[Hyde]

so you got the estate a7. did you do a pre purchase inspection?
nice car but i assume you went for the 3.0tdi which are thristy. and audis as a whole are expensive things. a friend of mine recently flogged one. keep an eye out for the handbrake as they tend to go quiet easily.

Sorry for last off topic post guys, I have replied to your post in the appropriate thread. Please reply back there

 

[Gentelman]

These ******s will just fund you to make you more dependant...
They'll give you loans on metro or any white elephant or to end budget deficit with terrible conditions like to devalue your currency(which will add deficit) to reduce subsities, playing with interest rates and cutting development fund (mainly of health and education)...
Will never fund on dams or education except sometimes on minor lever to end this image...

 

[Shah01]

@Blue Marlin There are several projects where initial feasibility studies are done and not initiated due to no funding. Bunji (7100MW), Dasu (4350MW), Basha(4500MW) alone could take care of all the power needs of today for the entire country.... Basha has 6.4 MAF (million acre feet) capacity, Dasu suppose to be ROR but on wiki shows 11.1 MAF. Don't know about Bunji reservoir capacity. These dams will even more than double the water storage capacity....

another 20-30 years of life into Tarbela dam

I don't think it will add any life to Tarbela as the sediment will still be captured by the lake... I may be wrong. The only way to increase the life of the dam is to plant more trees upstream as well as build Basha dam....

Dasu Hydropower project funded by World Bank, ADB, Government of Pakistan, China and Germany. The first phase is likely to be completed in 5-6 years

Basha and Dasu should be built together as Basha will compliment Dasu dam. Dasu is a ROR project hence if Basha is built upstream it will enable Dasu to perform almost all year rather than during summer months..

So the incumbent government since 1980s have been trying to explore alternatives in order to avoid any genuine tussle amongst the provinces and have been postponing the project despite being the cheapest and most convenient Hydropower project with potential to irrigate millions of acres of land

I think we should put the Kalabagh dam to rest for now and build all the other dams possible. We should even look to build one mega dam/reservoir in each province to provide for water. There are several such sites available. This way all provinces will be happy.

so it can irrigate millions of acres of land and give 7100mw. heck why aint this on the priority list regardless of the bickering?

I haven't read much about Bunji Dam but it has lots of potential for electricity generation. This should be priority in my opinion as well. As this dam alone could cater for almost 1/3 of the power requirements of the country......

The dispute is about Kalabagh Dam which is about 3600MW project will provide about 7 million acres of land for irrigation purposes.

I think the hydro capacity of Kalabagh is 1800MW and another 1800MW would be added as thermal generation..... I can name several areas where reservoirs can be build which could provide flood protection as well as normal water storage...

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

14b is a big money to be loaned for..But is there any plan of action about how the return will recovered out of that investment?

The Revenue Earned from projects like these.

 

[Kabira]

sorry i got the names mixed up there, my bad.

so it can irrigate millions of acres of land and give 7100mw. heck why aint this on the priority list regardless of the bickering? so you say this Diamer-Bhasha dam is in pakistan kashmir and the indians aren't too keen on pakistan and due to pressure funding is a bit of a problem. fair enough but working in parallel at different rates would not be a problem. so for example getting funding for the Diamer-Bhasha dam and resolving the buji dam dispute at the same time would not be a problem. it not like theres only one group of people working on the projects?

this is a bit of topic but a while ago you opened a thread asking on an opinion for a car. what did you go for at the end. was it the skoda?

There is no update on Bunji dam, it has taken back seat. Bunji will generate more electricity but Bhasha dam is more important for many other reasons including extending life of Tarbela dam, making Dasu dam 4260MW possible and water storage for winter season.

Bunji is run of river dam, it can't store water like Bhasha.

 

[SBD-3]

we should finance this project over selves. orange train is not as important. 1 billion dollars every year should be kept for the project. it will take 7,8 years as economy will also improve for more investment.

1 Billion Dollars every year means the project would end up about 17-20 Billion USD in 14 years. Simple way is to hand it over to Chinese on BoT terms, if they agree.

There is no update on Bunji dam, it has taken back seat. Bunji will generate more electricity but Bhasha dam is more important for many other reasons including extending life of Tarbela dam, making Dasu dam 4260MW possible and water storage for winter season.

Bunji is run of river dam, it can't store water like Bhasha.

Agreed Basha is one dam of its kind, Like now dead KBD which can perform the essential function of storing the water. Plus setting up Basha would open up space for other dams downstream since we would already have a control point available.

Simply,
they don't trust the corrupt leadership with the funds.

Perhaps then you should explain this as well
http://www.thefrontierpost.com/arti...-pakistan-for-improvement-of-border-services/

 

[Kabira]

"The president said that ADB alone cannot fund the mega Diamer-Bhasha dam project unless other partners joined hands. The cost of the project is around $15 billion, which the ADB president said was “beyond its capacity”. He said that the project was very important for improving the supply of energy and the agriculture sector."

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1211364/foreign-lender-adb-alone-cannot-fund-diamer-bhasha-dam/

OP title is little misleading. ADB didn't refuse to fund project, just said that it will join later on when project is under way.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

News August 19 2016 (in other news Even Dasu Dam Will be Included in CPEC and Chinese will build it)

Bhasha Dam project to be included in CPEC framework

Minister for Planning, Development and Reform, Prof. Ahsan Iqbal Friday said Diamir Bhasha Dam project would be included in China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC).

“Negotiations for including the project in the CPEC framework have already been started with China,” he said while talking to media at Parliament House.

The minister said that Pakistan required $14 billion for Diamir Bhasha dam and $7 billion were needed initially to continue the project, which would be pivotal to secure the economic future of the country.

The country requires unity in current prevailing situation, at a time when operation Zarb-e-Azb was in final and successful stage while mega project CPEC was in pipeline.

He said that Pakistan’s Army special division including the all security agencies of the country were working on the security of CPEC projects.

All the federating units and parliamentary leaders have consensus on CPEC, which would be a game-changer for country, he added.

Ahsan Iqbal said that country needs unity and political stability and continuation of policies for economic growth and prosperity. Currently, Pakistan is on the phase of economic takeoff, he added.
The government is committed to complete all the mega projects including CPEC for which all resources would be provided, he added.

He said that terrorism and terrorist activities would not affect the CPEC and other projects, which would be completed in time.

The Minister said that some road links on Western route, to be completed in December 2016, provide connectivity to Balochistan province with other regions of the country.
It would bring prosperity in the province, he added.

Earlier, addressing the Senate Standing Committee on Planning, Development and Reforms, the minister said certain reservations of stakeholders, political parties and provinces Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Sindh, Balochistan and Punjab including Azad Jammu Kashmir and Gilgit Balochistan, have been removed.
The Senate Standing Committee meeting was chaired by Chairman Senator Col.(R) Syed Tahir Hussain Mashhadi and Reforms in Parliament House on Friday.

He said that the whole country is unanimous that CPEC is a symbol of economic development and prosperity which would promote connectivity and integration among the provinces.

He said that all projects in Gawadar would be completed in 2018 including that would be initiated in 2016.
Gawadar Airport, hospital, vocational institute for skill development project would be started in coming months and completed in 2018.

He said that Balochistan province needs building capacity of local, however to overcome the manpower shortage, recruitment are made on merit basis.

In meeting, official of irrigation department from Balochistan gave presentation on different ongoing small hydro projects in the province and about the current working position.

Senator Sirajul Haq, Mufti Abdul Sattar, Karim Ahmed Khawaja, Nawabzada Saifullah Magsi and official of Ministry of Planning attended the meeting.

 

[Kabira]

^^
It's not official yet, Chinese still have to accept the offer to include them in CPEC.

 

[[Bregs]]

It would be more economical for Pakistan to rope in ADB or world bank by breaking this project into many parts or sub heads to make it easier to be financed