dabong1 said:
100's of millions of people have been killed for the capitalist/atheist system compared probably under 10 million killed for sharia and you want me to support this murdereous capitalist/atheist system?
A terrorist is a terrorist,trying to use words like "jihadist" and then link it to sharia just show your utter lack of knowledge in this area.
The atheistic capitalist ideology that you follow is trying to wage war on the last ideology and hope left for mankind which is islam.
The crusader terrorist of the west will try every single thing in there power to make sure a true islamic welfare state is not set up,somalia,afghanistan being the last examples of islamic parties taking power and then being attacked by the crusader.
Algeria is another example of a muslim country where an islamic party won power but the military with a nod from the crusaders did not let them take power.Egypt where if there free elections the brotherhood would take power but the crusaders will not allow this.
Isalm which covers all areas in life social,political,economic and spiritual is the way ahead,all other system tried by the muslims have failed socialism,capitalism ,communism ,nationalism
only islam left.
It's only fair to provide figures for the current conflict, as before this decade the Islamists had not waged a world wide jihad whereas the west have had numerous wars. I assume by comparing casualties, you are somehow trying to say that backwards barbarians like the Taliban care more about civilians then the west. What utter nonsense.
The reason why I call them jihadist is because; A. They call themselves mujahideen, fighting a 'jihad' B. Not all their actions are limited to terrorism. Terrorism is just one of their tactics.
Secondly these people are fighting for Shariah so it has everything to do with Shariah.
No, its waging war on the extremists who seek to impose shariah across the muslim world and topple governments who are our allies.
This ideology has sprung to life AFTER 9/11, before that when were us muslims taught about spreading islam across the world or fighting for shariah?
Your damn right we will try to stop terrorists from taking over muslim countries, it's better for the west and for the muslims. As for crusader, lmao. The west is godless, the days of crusading have long gone. The modern day crusaders are the jihadists, your brethren and allies.
These systems have failed due to a lack of education, let's look at Turkey. Modern, educated and what do they have. A democracy nothing like the shariah state of 1400 years ago.
dabong1 said:
You must really be lost if you think that islam should support homosexuals,your primeval neanderthal stance on the issue is amazing.
Do you recall the story of sodom or is that some sort of fairy tail that does not fit into your interpretation.
You can not pick and choose the laws you wish to follow,you either a muslim that wants allahs laws for muslims or your not.
You stance from what i can gather is that if it is in the koran you are against it?
That's riching come from you, one who supports stonings of adulterers and removal of body parts. I suggest you go look up the meaning of those words before you throw them around so loosely.
We all pick and choose even you.
dabong1 said:
No you did not! This is probably the first time in your life you have heard about the majority of these groups.
Your point about islamic groups being extreme and that only turkey with the AK party was an exception has been proved wrong.
Dont try changing the argument to who is more vocal.....
I am aware that there are 'liberal' groups, as I told you my mom is a member of Minhaj. I am far from ignorant on this subject.
Perhaps exception was the wrong wording, part of the small minority would have been more correct. Still my point is valid though, there are far more fundamentalist groups then there are 'liberal'. If you think every muslim nation has something like the AK party and the majority of the muslims in each nation support it then your either brain dead or deliberately being deceitful.
Just look at the groups you quoted before, the brotherhood ,the algerian salafists, the taliban.
It's also clear now that you support such people and consider them your allies, which makes what I said before even more correct:
scorpius said:
The simple truth is that all these jihadists have a very similar ideology to you, tbh I respect them in some degree at least they are honest and fight for what they want. While some make excuses for them, pretending to be against them but secretly would love it if they were to succeed as their base ideology is very similar.
dabong1 said:
"Thought so."........ Yeah off course you did
You need to stop the media from brainwashing you into believing that the capitalist/atheist "system, it's rules and laws should not questioned."
You're blindly following them as if they're believed to be from God,all it does is create people like yourself "slaves obedient to the state ideology."
Ahh the usual nonsense about the media brainwashing me, how little you know. As for me, I question all ideologies. The thing is though do you question the ideology of the Caliphate just as much as you question a secular one? Somehow I doubt it, almost anything associated with Islam for muslims has a illusion of majesty and grandeur. And then all rational thinking goes down the drain...
The difference between this democracy and a shariah state is vast, if your a muslim in the shariah state you are supposed to believe as the state tells you to do and adhere to the ideology which affects almost every facet of life. I am not required to follow the state religion nor am I instructed on how to pray, what I am supposed to wear etc. My system is not associated with God nor does it demand blind obedience all I am supposed to do is not break the laws. All nations have laws and these laws are to be followed. The difference is that most nations have laws regarding crime, housing, etc. They don't subject the whole populace to a particular ideology from a belief system.
Failure to comply with said beliefs can depending on the interpretation result in penalties such as whipping. I live in a free system where I don't have to worry about being whipped for drinking or whatever.
I doubt someone like you who has experienced all the west has to offer would enjoy a lifestyle in Taliban era Afghanistan. Have you been to Pakistan or a neighbouring country recently?
Despite all your religious leanings, you forget one simple teaching. 'Wish for your brother what you wish for yourself.'