Achakzai problem!

[Sharpshooter12]

Yes they have been supporting different parties. Even now establishment is trying her best to get rid of N-league and is supporting PTI. But without people support all these parties would fail. This is why Musharraf lost badly in 2008 election.

Supporting N-League or PTI is a different matter. Agencies really don't have as much clout as sometimes we feel they do in deciding a national election, as you have pointed out about 2008's disastrous campaign of PMLQ. But the kind of support MQM and PKMAP received is another ball game all together.

MQM for example was allowed in Zia and then Musharaf era to get hold of large cache of arms and ammunition. MQM lost its hold over Karachi after operations during Bibi and Nawaz tenures. But once the Musharaf arrived they gained strength again. Their criminals were acquitted from the jail and in Musharaf era Karachi was practically handed over to them on a silver platter.

PKMAP similarly was allowed and even helped in their pursuit of giving Pakistani NICs to Afghan refugees. This helped PKMAP increase their electoral strength and helped the establishment in skewing the demographics of the province

 

[TMA]

Listen to Sarfraz Bugti! All problems that we are seeing has one mother f#cker behind it.

that taki wearing achakzai!!!


WHY IS THIS CUNT BEING TOLERATED

Pakistan is a very tolerant country...

For two reasons actually.

One Punjabis were present in Baluchistan for a very long time, initially they were there for government jobs during the British and early post partition era, later they moved to Quetta for establishing businesses. By early 2000 most of the menial laborers like barbers etc were Punjabis in Quetta, but after Akbar Bugti episode Baluch insurgents started targeting Punjabis in the province and that lead to some horrendous massacres that lead to an exodus of Punjabis and Urdu speaking populace of Quetta and other city centers.

Two Pushtuns of KPK and Fata can find better opportunities within cities like Peshawar, Rawalpindi, Islamabad and Lahore i.e only a few hours drive from their home. And if they have to migrate for a better job opportunity Karachi offers much more options than say Quetta.

As this is their country so both Punjabis and Pushtuns have options while Afghans are not welcomed in other parts of the country like how PKMAP and Achakzai welcomes them in Baluchistan.

But that is not the point to ponder, Baluchistan is and should remain as a Baluch majority province. We have to sort their grievances, give them their due rights and crack down on the militancy whether nationalist or sectarian, and Baluchistan will be fine.

Fair enough. But should Punjab remain a Punjabi majority province? Karachi a Sindhi majority city?
Look at it from a population congestion POV. Punjab has a lot of people and so does Karachi, Balochistan is empty, so the State should build new towns in Balochistan and settle people from over populated places there... also if the population of Balochistan increases, then they can get more money from the federal government....

Part of giving them their due rights means breaking up the tyrannical hold of their tribal chieftains over them.... it is their elite who oppress them as well....

 

[Path-Finder]

What is this mofo doing in afghanistan?

https://twitter.com/x/status/997975165479931904

 

[Sharpshooter12]

But should Punjab remain a Punjabi majority province? Karachi a Sindhi majority city?

Brother while Punjabi population share in Pakistan is on decline since 47, Punjab will remain Punjabi at-least for next one hundred years if not more. It is because of the massive Punjabi population of the country. Karachi on the other hand is not a Sindhi majority city, in fact Sindhis are only the 4th largest ethnic group in the city after urdu-speakings, Punjabis and Pathans.

Perhaps this approach that you are referring to can be implemented in Gwadar and if Gwadar does become a successful port city I think that will be the natural course of action.

But We have to understand the sensitivities of an ethnic group that is part of the federation. Baluchs are the smallest of the four major ethnic groups of Pakistan i.e less than 7 Million, compared to Punjabis that are more than 75 Million, Pushtuns 36 Million and Sindhis 30 Million. They are even smaller than minor ethnic groups like Siraikis or Urdu-speaking.

Secessionists tell Baluchs that if they don't get their own country they will be reduced to a minority in their own province. So following such policies will only fuel such feelings and in turn the insurgency.

The center has to make sure that people moving into Baluchistan after the success of CPEC and Gwadar city don't turn the province into a colony. For example, special laws should be implemented so that people moving into Baluchistan can't vote for Baluchistan assembly for example, otherwise we'll have a Chaudhary or Rana as CM Baluchistan in no time and that will lead to a lot more grievances. Instead their vote is cast for their ancestral national assembly or provincial assembly seat.

Baluchistan has a Baluch identity and that is how it should stay. They joined Pakistan as a federating unit out of their free will, we should not treat their open spaces to settle our population. That is exactly what the colonization is.

 

[TMA]

Brother while Punjabi population share in Pakistan is on decline since 47, Punjab will remain Punjabi at-least for next one hundred years if not more. It is because of the massive Punjabi population of the country. Karachi on the other hand is not a Sindhi majority city, in fact Sindhis are only the 4th largest ethnic group in the city after urdu-speakings, Punjabis and Pathans.

Perhaps this approach that you are referring to can be implemented in Gwadar and if Gwadar does become a successful port city I think that will be the natural course of action.

But We have to understand the sensitivities of an ethnic group that is part of the federation. Baluchs are the smallest of the four major ethnic groups of Pakistan i.e less than 7 Million, compared to Punjabis that are more than 75 Million, Pushtuns 36 Million and Sindhis 30 Million. They are even smaller than minor ethnic groups like Siraikis or Urdu-speaking.

Secessionists tell Baluchs that if they don't get their own country they will be reduced to a minority in their own province. So following such policies will only fuel such feelings and in turn the insurgency.

The center has to make sure that people moving into Baluchistan after the success of CPEC and Gwadar city don't turn the province into a colony. For example, special laws should be implemented so that people moving into Baluchistan can't vote for Baluchistan assembly for example, otherwise we'll have a Chaudhary or Rana as CM Baluchistan in no time and that will lead to a lot more grievances. Instead their vote is cast for their ancestral national assembly or provincial assembly seat.

Baluchistan has a Baluch identity and that is how it should stay. They joined Pakistan as a federating unit out of their free will, we should not treat their open spaces to settle our population. That is exactly what the colonization is.

But Others can move into Punjab? Punjab is open for colonization? Punjab is not a federating unit of Pakistan? I am talking about the principle. So what Punjab is a lot more than Balochistan? If Balochistan was the most populous, then it would okay for non Baloch Pakistanis to move to Balochistan? In Punjab you have a Kashmiri who is the Chief Minister!! No one says he should go because of his blood. Should Pakhtoons and Kashmiris and other non Punjabis in Punjab not be allowed to vote in the Punjab assembly?

Why should a minority get this right? Baloch are not a minority. The Hunza and Kalash and Hazara are a minority. Balochistan is the LARGEST province by area of Pakistan, they can afford to take some of their countrymen.

If you want to abide by this principle, then Punjab should reduce the number of Pukhtoons and Kashmiris in its territory. No non Punjabi should be allowed to be the Chief minister of Punjab. Same in Sindh, no non Sindh should be allowed to be the Chief minister, no non sindhi to be allowed to be the mayor of her cities.

I understand that it would fuel an insurgency, but this is then not on any principle but a matter of expediency. Why is there not an insurgency in Sindh? Or Punjab?

Besides if you have enough non Baloch Pakistani in Balochistan, the insurgency will die. This is not to say that the Balochi language or Baloch culture ought to be destroyed...nay it is Pakistani just like others...and indeed the non Baloch Pakistanis ought to learn this and will learn this.

What bloody needs to happen at a school level is to educate children, that it is ONE country and ONE people (of course not deny each group their history or culture), Punjabis are not denied their culture, are they by millions of non Punjabis in their land and speaking non Punjabi tongues? Punjabis don't feel under attack when a Kashmiri is their bloody Chief Minister?

 

[HamWatan]

Real countries kill traitors. Banana republics let them live using dumb excuses.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

China would have already , given death sentence for the garbage he is spewing against the state

 

[The Accountant]

If you kill a man and let his ideology live you will suffer. Musharraf killed bugti and let the ideology live and there was a problem.

Now look in case of Nawaz his ideology is killed so here he will die him self.

How to kill his ideology ? Especially if any pakhtoon brother could comment ?

 

[HAIDER]

What is this mofo doing in afghanistan?

https://twitter.com/x/status/997975165479931904

Seems he got pregnant by Ghani …. they planned a new born Pashtun baby.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

If you kill a man and let his ideology live you will suffer. Musharraf killed bugti and let the ideology live and there was a problem.

Now look in case of Nawaz his ideology is killed so here he will die him self.

so what is the actual strategy with him n Asfandyar Wali?

 

[BHarwana]

so what is the actual strategy with him n Asfandyar Wali?

I don't work for NSC bro but all I am saying is that killing him bugti style will make thing worse only. Why not create opposition for them with in Afghanistan. Achakzai and all goons like him are working for Afghan Govt and there are many elements in Afghanistan that will consider him enemy.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Life sentence in Prison for Anti State activities, discussion of Pardon after 10 years

Deportation to Afghanistan should also be considered after cancellation of nationality

However the Prisons are created for Anti Pakistan Elements the option should be exercised

 

[pzfz]

If you kill a man and let his ideology live you will suffer. Musharraf killed bugti and let the ideology live and there was a problem.

Now look in case of Nawaz his ideology is killed so here he will die him self.

This lazy attitude is the reason that we're here in the first place. What about Bugti? (Another) Failed movement with propagandists crying on twitter after the state (finally) got tough with them! Nawaz? Still there and his party will probably win. Weak policy only invites such morons over and over again. Stop making excuses for the pusillanimous establishment.

How to kill his ideology ? Especially if any pakhtoon brother could comment ?

Attack him and it. Not sit back and give any credence to the notion that he has any clout to create disturbance within Pakistan Pashtuns. He only has clout amongst certain marxists and afghan refugees.

 

[The Accountant]

This lazy attitude is the reason that we're here in the first place. What about Bugti? (Another) Failed movement with propagandists crying on twitter after the state (finally) got tough with them! Nawaz? Still there and his party will probably win. Weak policy only invites such morons over and over again. Stop making excuses for the pusillanimous establishment.


Attack him and it. Not sit back and give any credence to the notion that he has any clout to create disturbance within Pakistan Pashtuns. He only has clout amongst certain marxists and afghan refugees.

No brother, this is not the right approach

 

[pzfz]

It's the only way. Achakzai and characters like him are the result of a weak establishment.