Abu Hamza silent on ISI role in Mumbai attacks

[Twain]

2) Pakistan lobbying with Saudi intelligence agencies to stop Jundal being sent to India.
Pakistan wanted that Jundal should be handed over to them, claiming that he was a Pakistani national.
Speculation and unconfirmed rumors.

Not really, that's been widely reported from multiple sources

Ansari's extradition from Riyadh - which officials say came after pressure from Washington and despite pleas from Islamabad for him not to be sent to India - may also have delivered a jolt to Pakistan's traditionally close relations with Saudi Arabia.

RPT-INSIGHT-Voice of Mumbai attacks points finger at Pakistan | Reuters

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Yesterday u said, since he was silent, ISI was not involved... Now he sings the truth and u say its not credible... I said the same sterday, u wont accept it, even if he says about ISI involvement and now u have proved it.....

Actually, the contradictory statements in the Indian media only serve to highlight the fact that there is no credible evidence implicating the ISI.

And yes, it does not matter what the GoI or Indian media CLAIM Jindal says - as I pointed out, torture a man enough and he'll accept he is a Martian - what the GoI and Indian media need to provide is corroboration of any claims they allege Jindal made regarding ISI involvement.

The situation currently is the same as before - there is absolutely nothing to implicate the ISI in the Mumbai attacks.

Not really, that's been widely reported from multiple sources

Ansari's extradition from Riyadh - which officials say came after pressure from Washington and despite pleas from Islamabad for him not to be sent to India - may also have delivered a jolt to Pakistan's traditionally close relations with Saudi Arabia.

RPT-INSIGHT-Voice of Mumbai attacks points finger at Pakistan | Reuters

Multiple sources quoting the same 'anonymous officials'.

Its still just rumor and speculation.

 

[Solomon2]

Interesting. I recall that Headley testified that it was understood the ISI was behind it all, but if I recall correctly the only service he confirmed to be working with the 26/11 group was Pakistan's Navy: link. Could the Navy have run an overseas terrorist operation without the involvement of the ISI?

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

hey cohen --- he worked for your agencies too

 

[Manas]

So what happened to the earlier stories of 'Nailed ISI involvement in Mumbai Attacks'?

A whole bunch of lies by the Indian media?

26/11 control room not possible without Pak state support: Chidambaram - The Times of India

NEW DELHI: Home minister P Chidambaram upped his pressure on Pakistan reiterating the neighbour's involvement in the 26/11 attacks coinciding with the ongoing foreign secretary-level talks between the two countries.

Speaking to mediapersons, Chidambaram said it had become increasingly clear that 'state actors' were involved in executing the 2008 Mumbai terror attacks and that without state support the terror control room could not have been established in Pakistan.

Chidambaram said India knew who had trained Ajmal Amir Kasab and nine other terrorists who carried out the terror strikes in Mumbai, who briefed them and how the control room, from where directions were given, had functioned.

"It is no longer possible to deny that though the incident happened in Mumbai, there was a control room in Pakistan before and during the incident. Without state support, the control room could not have been established," he told reporters.

Chidambaram said after Kasab's interrogation, evidence clearly pointed to the involvement of state actors and it was corroborated by the statement given by Syed Zabiuddin Ansari, alias Abu Jundal, who was arrested on June 21 following his deportation from Saudi Arabia.

"After Abu Jundal's interrogation, it was clear that there were state actors. Dots are increasingly getting joined. Though there were many pseudonyms, it is clear that state actors were there. Pictures are getting clearer and clearer. We have been able to know who were there and where they were," he said.

Dismissing Pakistan's claim that no state actors were involved in the 26/11 attacks, the home minister said no sovereign state could allow terror activities from its soil.

"I can't allow any non-state actor carry out any terror activity in a neighbouring country," Chidambaram said.

Asked whether New Delhi would hand over Islamabad any dossier on Jundal, he said no official document would be given at this stage. "The foreign secretary has been briefed. If he feels, he can share it with them," he said.

 

[Solomon2]

hey cohen --- he worked for your agencies too

So you think it's possible. Which then begs the question, who is protecting the Navy officers responsible?

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

indians hold no weight to pressure Pakistan....all their funny looking babus and ministers can do is talk to a microphone

So you think it's possible. Which then begs the question, who is protecting the Navy officers responsible?

only difference is, his work for DEA (and CIA?) is confirmed

 

[Manas]

indians hold no weight to pressure Pakistan....all their funny looking babus and ministers can do is talk to a microphone

They do 't need to it know as Pakistan isn't a normal country . Pakistani is already in suicidal mode .

India prefers watching pakistan from the sideways making superficial peace gestures to confuse Pakistan as not distract attention of pakistan from self destruction.

 

[notorious_eagle]

They do 't need to it know as Pakistan isn't a normal country . Pakistani is already in suicidal mode .

India prefers watching pakistan from the sideways making superficial peace gestures to confuse Pakistan as not distract attention of pakistan from self destruction.

Whatever helps you sleep at night . Have been hearing the same mantra of self destruction for the past 65 years, guess who has been wrong?

We Pakistanis living in Pakistan would certainly disagree with you. It certainly does not look like we live in a failed state. Sure we have our set of problems, but we have identified those problems and are working on rectifying them. All your prayers of destruction of Pakistan will all go in vain . All i see is desperation out of your post because India has been unable to do jack sh** against Pakistan after 26/11 despite all the tall claims.

 

[Vinod2070]

So what happened to the earlier stories of 'Nailed ISI involvement in Mumbai Attacks'?

A whole bunch of lies by the Indian media?

Still in denial!

Its amazing actually. The likes of you were in denial about OBL too all the time. After he was found and killed next to a PA academy (as a Pakistani opinion maker had predicted years back, that he will be not found in tribal areas but next to a PA academy or garrison), you people started making noises about "sovereignty" rather than questioning why he was there.

You guys will clutch at any straw to deny the obvious: that Pakistani military and agencies have still not discarded the use of terror as a state policy. Despite the humongous cost that is being paid by all Pakistanis.

Pakistani government had been proclaiming him to be a Pakistani to save him from being deported to India. Is that also not enough?

The presence of a control room next to a PA establishment in Rawalpindi?

That is also not enough? What do you really want to see before you will believe it?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Interesting. I recall that Headley testified that it was understood the ISI was behind it all, but if I recall correctly the only service he confirmed to be working with the 26/11 group was Pakistan's Navy: link. Could the Navy have run an overseas terrorist operation without the involvement of the ISI?

His claims of someone from the Navy coordinating the Mumbai attacks are just as speculative and uncorroborated as his 'Major so and so from the ISI' claims.

The Pakistan Navy is being accused merely because Headley thinks that 'a clean shaven individual with a trim haircut and military bearing' could be no one other than a 'Pakistan Navy officer' - ludicrous.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Still in denial!

Yes I know, you guys are still in denial that there is not an iota of evidence implicating the ISI/PA in the Mumbai attacks. In case I missed it though, here is your chance to provide us with this 'credible evidence of ISI/PA complicity in the Mumbai attacks'.

Its amazing actually. The likes of you were in denial about OBL too all the time. After he was found and killed next to a PA academy (as a Pakistani opinion maker had predicted years back, that he will be not found in tribal areas but next to a PA academy or garrison), you people started making noises about "sovereignty" rather than questioning why he was there.

The illegal US raid was the bigger question - many criminals can manage to hide for years before being caught, that in itself is not that unusual at all, nor does it in any way suggest institutional complicity.

You guys will clutch at any straw to deny the obvious: that Pakistani military and agencies have still not discarded the use of terror as a state policy. Despite the humongous cost that is being paid by all Pakistanis.

It isn't the Pakistanis who are trying to come up with ludicrous claims of 'individuals with military bearing who MUST HAVE BEEN ISI' - when you can actually provide credible evidence to show Pakistani State complicity, then you can argue 'Pakistanis are in denial and clutching at straws', till then, the people suffering from denial, paranoia and clutching at straws' are the Indians claiming that the nonsensical statements bandied about by the Indian media and the GoI are somehow 'evidence of ISI complicity in the Mumbai attacks'.

Pakistani government had been proclaiming him to be a Pakistani to save him from being deported to India. Is that also not enough?

As pointed out already, claims of Pakistan lobbying to prevent him from being deported to India at the moment are speculative.

That said, if Pakistani authorities were only aware that a Pakistani national with a Pakistani passport was being deported to India, with no idea about the true identity of the individual, then why would you blame Pakistan for trying to protect its citizens from being deported to another country without evidence?

The presence of a control room next to a PA establishment in Rawalpindi?

I thought Chidambaram said the 'control room' was in Karachi?

That is also not enough? What do you really want to see before you will believe it?

You have not provided anything to 'see' - there is nothing here but nonsensical conspiracy theories and paranoia to demonize Pakistan and its military.

 

[Bobby]

Read this
ISI's Major Sameer visited 26/11 control room: Jundal - The Times of India

He is opening his mouth slowly slowly..

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

chalo jii!

now ''major sameer''

 

[Manas]

Whatever helps you sleep at night . Have been hearing the same mantra of self destruction for the past 65 years, guess who has been wrong?

We Pakistanis living in Pakistan would certainly disagree with you. It certainly does not look like we live in a failed state. Sure we have our set of problems, but we have identified those problems and are working on rectifying them. All your prayers of destruction of Pakistan will all go in vain . All i see is desperation out of your post because India has been unable to do jack sh** against Pakistan after 26/11 despite all the tall claims.

What should India do ?? Go to war under a nuclear hangover ?? why if Pakistan is doing everything to ruin itself ??

BTW if you are happy with the state of ur country then good for you