Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi killed by the US !!

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Russian S-400 systems failed to detect US jets and helicopters over Idlib:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1188461146510188547

 

[maximuswarrior]

People keep repeating this argument but i don't think it is correct.

It is true that US helped Afghans during the soviet invasion ( when no one else did ) . But they did not support the Taliban but the mujaheddin.

The fact that the Taliban took over after soviets where removed, just show how complicated it is to interfere in such countries.

But the fact remains is that without US help Afghanistan would be ruled by Russia or the Taliban. And i am not sorry to see either of them go.

I am not going to address the claim that they supported Al-Qaeda or Isis. Those are just silly conspiracy theory.

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LOL sure thing Jew boy.

This is, if remember correctly 3rd or 4th time, I am listening this news.
Al-Baghdadi may be having some new assignment/instructions and tea at pentagon.

It is a joke. A fake feel good moment when things are looking terribly bleak.

 

[sammuel]

So, basically your argument is that because the Soviets supported Saddam, that means that the US did not support Saddam? How's that an argument? LOL
So, if I punch you in the face, but at the same another person punches you in the face too, does that absolve me?!



The US has repeatedly called on Iran to stop hosting Bin Laden's family while they knew well that they were not in Iran and they were in Saudi Arabia, having connections with the US authorities at highest levels. And most importantly, they had let them go at the JFK Airport.

Also, that is a clear case of conflicting interests that needs to be further investigated by independent inspectors. How can you go after your partner's brother without considering your business ties with him? Also, we know that the majority of people involved in 9/11 were in fact Saudi citizens. Yet, Saudi Arabia never paid the price for attacking the towers and they are now the main US partner in the region. And the death of Bin Laden was never verified independently, so it can very well be a planned closure to one of the worst US war crimes in modern history.

It's very interesting that an event like 9/11 happens during the presidency of a person who has billion-dollar business ties with the family of the main culprit.


It proves that at some point you were cheering him as a hero whose warriors are fighting the evil soviets. Stop pretending to be retarded.


Accidents must be proven to be accidents. And once an accident become recurrent, considering the US history of supporting terrorist groups, the hypothesis that the US is doing these things on purpose becomes strengthened.

Putting aside for a moment this argument that would only go around in circles, with non agreeing with the other.

The issue here , is that US managed to kill Bagjdadi - something that all the countries in the region failed to do. But YOU have a problem to give them the credit for it.

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[QWECXZ]

Putting aside for a moment this argument that would only go around in circles, with non agreeing with the other.

The issue here , is that US managed to kill Bagjdadi - something that all the countries in the region failed to do. But YOU have a problem to give them the credit for it.

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We're still waiting for the proof. And if the US was indeed behind creating the ISIS (a point where you and I disagree), we can't give them credit for stopping the mess they started. Maybe they thought that Al-Baghdadi's time had come and they ended him before someone finds out about their crimes.

If I come to your house and my dog poops everywhere in your house, would you hail me if I take my dog out and leave you with a house full of dog poop in every inch?

 

[mike2000 is back]

People keep repeating this argument but i don't think it is correct.

It is true that US helped Afghans during the soviet invasion ( when no one else did ) . But they did not support the Taliban but the mujaheddin.

The fact that the Taliban took over after soviets where removed, just show how complicated it is to interfere in such countries.

But the fact remains is that without US help Afghanistan would be ruled by Russia or the Taliban. And i am not sorry to see either of them go.

I am not going to address the claim that they supported Al-Qaeda or Isis. Those are just silly conspiracy theory.

~

Actually, the funny thing is that Iran(and India) actually supported US invasion of Afghanistan to topple the Taliban( same with US invasion of Iraq which actually served Iran's interests as well perfectly. lol ) since it served their interests. The Taliban was(and still is) one of Iran's biggest enemies(in fact Iran almost went to war with them at one point). Its also for this reason Iran and Pakistan have divergent interests in Afghanistan, since they both want totally different things(different regime/government) in the country this complicates relations between both countries(this will be more evident after US pull out). So prior to US invasions and toppling of these regimes in the region, Iran was basically surrounded by hostile regimes which threatened the Islamic republic. Funny enough, the US has actually helped Iran and give them space to manoeuvre and gain influence/proxies in the region. Had the US never toppled Saddam and the Taliban, Iran will have little to no influence in the middle east today(except Syria which has been their ally for some time now) unlike how they basically run countries in the region through proxies and direct involvement from Lebanon to Iraq, to Syria to Yemen etc. So if anything Iranian members here should be thanking the US and celebrating US involvement in the region.
As i said several times before, this region is a very interesting and complex, and the Geo political interests at play there are quite interesting and fascinating to follow. Nothing is ever black and white or simple like many people believe.

Coming back to topic, this is good news if confirmed. One less terrorists on earth. Good riddance.

 

[Jugger]

No they just rape and drive swords into the vaginas of the Muslim woman they attack. They then go about cutting off the heads of young children and throwing the elderly into raging fires..
Many people of the world know of the RSS and their evil ways.
They may be heroes to but are complete cowardly ba$tards to normal people.

How can a religious fundamentalist organisation be hero’s ...?? They can be hero’s to other religious fundamentalists only.
They are a danger to everyone else. But when you compare isis and rss, you can clearly see who is more dangers to the world at present.
RSS has not yet become the meat grinding machine that isis is presently.
Although no one can predict the future.

 

[waz]

How can a religious fundamentalist organisation be hero’s ...?? They can be hero’s to other religious fundamentalists only.
They are a danger to everyone else. But when you compare isis and rss, you can clearly see who is more dangers to the world at present.
RSS has not yet become the meat grinding machine that isis is presently.
Although no one can predict the future.

They're your heros, you just gave them a free pass above, remember only Pakistanis hate them.
ISIS has come and gone they're not a threat anymore in terms of a state and what they do. They can only resort to terror attacks as cells.
RSS is yet to become a meat grinding machine? Are you having a laugh? Your prime minister is a member of the organisation haha.

 

[kingQamaR]

إِنَّا لِلّهِ وَإِنَّـا إِلَيْهِ رَاجِعُونَ

Brother•

 

[sammuel]

Actually, the funny thing is that Iran(and India) actually supported US invasion of Afghanistan to topple the Taliban( same with US invasion of Iraq which actually served Iran's interests as well perfectly. lol ) since it served their interests. The Taliban was(and still is) one of Iran's biggest enemies(in fact Iran almost went to war with them at one point). Its also for this reason Iran and Pakistan have divergent interests in Afghanistan, since they both want totally different things(different regime/government) in the country this complicates relations between both countries(this will be more evident after US pull out). So prior to US invasions and toppling of these regimes in the region, Iran was basically surrounded by hostile regimes which threatened the Islamic republic. Funny enough, the US has actually helped Iran and give them space to manoeuvre and gain influence/proxies in the region. Had the US never toppled Saddam and the Taliban, Iran will have little to no influence in the middle east today(except Syria which has been their ally for some time now) unlike how they basically run countries in the region through proxies and direct involvement from Lebanon to Iraq, to Syria to Yemen etc. So if anything Iranian members here should be thanking the US and celebrating US involvement in the region.
As i said several times before, this region is a very interesting and complex, and the Geo political interests at play there are quite interesting and fascinating to follow. Nothing is ever black and white or simple like many people believe.

Coming back to topic, this is good news if confirmed. One less terrorists on earth. Good riddance.

Thanks for reply Mike.

Indeed a complicated area . You move one peace from the puzzle and the whole balance changes.

 

[QWECXZ]

Actually, the funny thing is that Iran(and India) actually supported US invasion of Afghanistan to topple the Taliban( same with US invasion of Iraq which actually served Iran's interests as well perfectly. lol ) since it served their interests. The Taliban was(and still is) one of Iran's biggest enemies(in fact Iran almost went to war with them at one point). Its also for this reason Iran and Pakistan have divergent interests in Afghanistan, since they both want totally different things(different regime/government) in the country this complicates relations between both countries(this will be more evident after US pull out). So prior to US invasions and toppling of these regimes in the region, Iran was basically surrounded by hostile regimes which threatened the Islamic republic. Funny enough, the US has actually helped Iran and give them space to manoeuvre and gain influence/proxies in the region. Had the US never toppled Saddam and the Taliban, Iran will have little to no influence in the middle east today(except Syria which has been their ally for some time now) unlike how they basically run countries in the region through proxies and direct involvement from Lebanon to Iraq, to Syria to Yemen etc. So if anything Iranian members here should be thanking the US and celebrating US involvement in the region.
As i said several times before, this region is a very interesting and complex, and the Geo political interests at play there are quite interesting and fascinating to follow. Nothing is ever black and white or simple like many people believe.

Coming back to topic, this is good news if confirmed. One less terrorists on earth. Good riddance.

You're right that Iran benefited from the US adventures in the Middle East, but the US didn't act in Iran's interests on purpose. They wanted to encircle Iran (and they successfully did this by building more than 50 military bases around Iran) but because they were an extra-regional power and did not have a correct understanding of the complexities of the region to devise a realistic strategy, Iran outplayed them and used their mistakes in her favor. You have to understand that not all of the consequences of the US invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan were positive for Iran. For instance, had it not been for the US invasion of Afghanistan, Iran could've built a pipeline through Afghanistan to China to increase her share of the Chinese energy market and improve her presence in Central Asia.

So, we can't be thankful to the US for doing things that unintentionally ended up benefiting us by mistake. And your assertion that Iran wouldn't have had its current influence in the region without the US invasion of Iraq is wrong. Iran funded Hezbollah of Lebanon in early 1980s. We had strong ties with Palestinian liberation movements since 1980s and we played a big role in creating Hamas in 1990s. Syria was one of our major allies since the very beginning as you said. But most importantly, for a decade after the Iraq-Iran war prior to the US invasion of Iraq, Iran was experiencing a GDP growth higher than 7% in average. We recovered from the Iraq-Iran war quickly while Saddam's Iraq was going downhill after the war. Our influence in the region comes from many factors, including the rapid increase in our skilled labor, our young population and the experience we gained during the Iraq-Iran war that helped us slowly develop an indigenous military industry among many other things.

 

[maximuswarrior]

Actually, the funny thing is that Iran(and India) actually supported US invasion of Afghanistan to topple the Taliban( same with US invasion of Iraq which actually served Iran's interests as well perfectly. lol ) since it served their interests. The Taliban was(and still is) one of Iran's biggest enemies(in fact Iran almost went to war with them at one point). Its also for this reason Iran and Pakistan have divergent interests in Afghanistan, since they both want totally different things(different regime/government) in the country this complicates relations between both countries(this will be more evident after US pull out). So prior to US invasions and toppling of these regimes in the region, Iran was basically surrounded by hostile regimes which threatened the Islamic republic. Funny enough, the US has actually helped Iran and give them space to manoeuvre and gain influence/proxies in the region. Had the US never toppled Saddam and the Taliban, Iran will have little to no influence in the middle east today(except Syria which has been their ally for some time now) unlike how they basically run countries in the region through proxies and direct involvement from Lebanon to Iraq, to Syria to Yemen etc. So if anything Iranian members here should be thanking the US and celebrating US involvement in the region.
As i said several times before, this region is a very interesting and complex, and the Geo political interests at play there are quite interesting and fascinating to follow. Nothing is ever black and white or simple like many people believe.

Coming back to topic, this is good news if confirmed. One less terrorists on earth. Good riddance.

The Brexiteer fool found an opportune moment to brag about victory.

LOL what kind of a hollow victory are you celebrating when ISIS is a US creation.

You're right that Iran benefited from the US adventures in the Middle East, but the US didn't act in Iran's interests on purpose. They wanted to encircle Iran (and they successfully did this by building more than 50 military bases around Iran) but because they were an extra-regional power and did not have a correct understanding of the complexities of the region to devise a realistic strategy, Iran outplayed them and used their mistakes in her favor. You have to understand that not all of the consequences of the US invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan were positive for Iran. For instance, had it not been for the US invasion of Afghanistan, Iran could've built a pipeline through Afghanistan to China to increase her share of the Chinese energy market and improve her presence in Central Asia.

So, we can't be thankful to the US for doing things that unintentionally ended up benefiting us by mistake. And your assertion that Iran wouldn't have had its current influence in the region without the US invasion of Iraq is wrong. Iran funded Hezbollah of Lebanon in early 1980s. We had strong ties with Palestinian liberation movements since 1980s and we played a big role in creating Hamas in 1990s. Syria was one of our major allies since the very beginning as you said. But most importantly, for a decade after the Iraq-Iran war prior to the US invasion of Iraq, Iran was experiencing a GDP growth higher than 7% in average. We recovered from the Iraq-Iran war quickly while Saddam's Iraq was going downhill after the war. Our influence in the region comes from many factors, including the rapid increase in our skilled labor, our young population and the experience we gained during the Iraq-Iran war that helped us slowly develop an indigenous military industry among many other things.

You have to understand. This guy is a nasty Indian. Every post reeks with duplicitous remarks.

 

[QWECXZ]

You have to understand. This guy is a nasty Indian. Every post reeks with duplicitous remarks.

I thought he was British? I mean his name is Mike.

 

[maximuswarrior]

I thought he was British? I mean his name is Mike.

Well don't be fooled by "Mike". In reality "Mike" is just another Sanjay.

 

[500]

You're right that Iran benefited from the US adventures in the Middle East, but the US didn't act in Iran's interests on purpose.

Iran did not benefit anything. Yes Iran captured colonies in Arab countries. But Iran got nothing but HUGE SPENDS.

 

[yavar]

Iran did not benefit anything.But Iran got nothing but HUGE SPENDS.

Can you give us some fingers and numbers about this Huge spend??

Can Iranian members translate this ,
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.com/persian/amp/iran-43101416

This is good example for other members,
here we have fool that been fooling himself not long ago ( i mean past 4 years) That Iran will be kick out of Syria or it would not be able to establish full line of control from land and air and sea (the Iranian oil tanker Grace1 which disputed all sanctions and military bullying did go to Syria and emptied its cargo) and bases and naval port , even so on with comic show of air strikes Natndog, fooling Israeli public that Israel is keeping Iran at bay,

Today the U.S and Terrorist Kurds (Rojava) have left most part of Syria and they are at final fully withdraw and gess what Iran today has larger numbers forces and transit ( the Abu Kamal border crossing)

Natandog cheif of staff Israel have met Gantz and have briefit him And in near future I be back to update you on it .

In conclusion: you see the joke is on you Israelis and future wouldn't be as easy as before, the Joke that Israel have air base in Azarbijan and can strike Iran is no longer been bought by anyone. keep fooling yourself while IRIran creating facts on Ground + Israeli public keep fooling themselves that they are the only country in west Asia ( Middle East) with nuclear weapons ( not tactical atom bomb) and when push comes to shove they can win it and Iran nuclear program is been inefficient or been stopped.