Abandoning status as "Islamic Republic"

[Ussaid]

That's absolute nonsense pushed by liberal and Indian morons who understand nothing and provide no actual evidence to support their arguments.

If you're interested to know why Pakistan's economy suffers I had a discussion with @That Guy on this subject and I've linked two of my more recent posts below (they can be quite technical but all the information is referenced and I provide ample charts/figures to help you understand).
Non-discriminatory market access: Pakistan, India all but sign trade normalisation deal | Page 2
Non-discriminatory market access: Pakistan, India all but sign trade normalisation deal | Page 2

I can discuss the subject further with you if you're interested just let me know.

With regards to the oil and gas sector my impression is that you're more interested in crude oil/gas exports so let's look at OPEC's own site where they reference that information and you'll find that petroleum exports only account for about 43% of Saudi Arabia's GDP, 32% of UAE's GDP and 31% of Qatars GDP.

Now you're correct that oil/gas exports do make up a significant portion of those countries respective budgets but let's take a look at Venezuela which is secular and a member of OPEC with proven crude oil reserves larger than those of Saudi Arabia.

Petroleum exports make up about 23% of Venezuela's GDP and account for 95% of its exports yet it's GDP/capita is 1/2 that of Saudi Arabia's, almost 1/4th that of the UAE's and about 1/8th that of Qatar's. So why is Venezuela poorer despite its larger oil reserves and secular constitution along with resources that Gulf nations do not possess like arable land, gold, timber, fresh water, etc...?

The same can be said about Russia, another secular nation, which the US EIA states oil and gas accounted for 68% of their exports and 47% of government revenues yet its GDP/capita is also almost 1/2 of Saudi Arabia's, 1/4th that of the UAE's and 1/8th that of Qatar's. So why is Russia poorer despite its abundance of oil and gas along with a secular constitution also with resources that Gulf states do not possess like abundant arable land, timber, gold, coal, fresh water, etc...?

Furthermore, look at the crime rates in secular Venezuela and Russia in comparison to Qatar, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia there is no comparison the Muslim nations, without destructive secularism, are far safer and far more prosperous.

Also if you have a chance look over my previous post on this thread regarding secularism and Pakistan where I go into detail with proof and rebuttals that Jinnah, Allama Iqbal, etc... wanted an Islamic nation and provide ample of how destructive secularism has been around the world:
Abandoning status as "Islamic Republic" | Page 29



Save the cookie for yourself. It short form for a fascist liberal retard.

Do you actually know that liberalism is actually the exact opposite of fascistism? And the chances of there being a "facist liberal" is the same of who providing a solid argument?

Also, remind me again of how Jinnah and Iqbal were the absoulete demi-gods who could have never made a mistake? What if their vision of Pakistan was not something that could work? That means we have to change that.

What's your problem with secularism is it's essence anyways, without pointing out irrelevant and absurd examples from around the world? Again, going by your logic an Islamic State is a violent state because the ISIS behead people...

So remains B'desh on today's date an Islamic republic. But I fail to understand, why the Military rule was incapable of joining itself with the Muslim block in 50-60'S. The Official declaration of Pakistan as Islamic republic would have opened it's doors to the muslim block.

The "Muslim Block" is a joke composed of failed states. Pakistan is better of associating itself with South Asia.

 

[Screambowl]

The "Muslim Block" is a joke composed of failed states. Pakistan is better of associating itself with South Asia.

But in the end due to rivalry of India Pak, the south asia block is also not able to compete with the other block. SAARC has become a joke, of failed states too.

 

[TMA]

If you say so.

True, Pakistan operates like a secular state.

 

[Darth Vader]

Since you say fathers of Pakistan
1 so how come Pakistan was created for one reason for the Muslims of sub continent
2 better secular option of india was already there
3 what so special about being called secular
You cant take islam out of pakistan nor you can take pakistan out of islam

Problem with pakistan isnt that its not a secular state or Democratic state problem lies within mindset of people. , in society which lost its true value
you can call a cow whatever you like but it will remain cow no matter what
Just be a good human good muslim if every one does that 90% of the problem will be solved automatically
Pakistan as a nation has lost there true identit

 

[ajpirzada]

so if you take out 'islamic republic', will politicians become honest? recruitment will be based on merit? doctors, officers, teachers will start coming on time? political interference in national institutions will disappear? the elite will start paying taxes?

secularist nonsense and nothing else.

 

[AUz]

so if you take out 'islamic republic', will politicians become honest? recruitment will be based on merit? doctors, officers, teachers will start coming on time? political interference in national institutions will disappear? the elite will start paying taxes?

secularist nonsense and nothing else.

Truest line of thread.

Some westernized idiots believe the secularism will solve EVERYTHING at once. lol

If anything, Tajikistan is a secular Muslim-majority country. How good are they?

If anything, Pakistan and Pakistanis should strive to establish a model Islamic state--where diversity of throughts within Islam is respected. Islamic legal codes and lifestyle are practiced in sync with modern times. And economic prosperity and efficiency prevails.

But these are hard things to do These are things that define nations.

And we are lazy as f*ck. So what do we do?

Idiots on religious side declare shias kafirs and all.

And idiots on non-religious side declare "secular ban jaye Pakistan to sub theek ho jaye ga. Secular!! I'm modern!! hooo haa"

Patheticness at its peak.

Our national narrative should to be to become a model Islamic state for the rest of the world!

But offcourse, developing national narratives and applying them takes an effort that "intellectuals" of Pak aren't willing to make.

The "Muslim Block" is a joke composed of failed states. Pakistan is better of associating itself with South Asia.

"The Muslim Block" have powerful and influential states like Turkey, Saudi Arabia, upcoming economies like Indonesia, Malaysia, and key regional players like Iran etc.

"The Muslim Block" has immense buying and trade potential to tap into.

It has been a bedrock strategic support for us (Remember Saudis covered our energy markets in 1998 after nuclear blasts and saved Pakistan from collapsing from sanctions?)

Offcourse you don't remember anything...because your expertize and insight on issues is similar to my 12 year old brother.

You just read stuff online...and regurgitate it without actually having the capacity to think through stuff.

 

[leftfordead]

how about , United States of Royal Kingdom of Islamic Republic of Democratic Pakistan better name aye ?

 

[باپ]

All secular should listen to what Quaid said.
https://m.facebook.com/video_redire...7AE93&source=misc&id=889992681112917&__tn__=F

 

[Woz Ahmed]

Is it just me, but the majority of people arguing against you statement are living in Norway, USA or Uk so all benefitting from secular states.

 

[sady]

Nothing boils my head more than a seasonal insect trying to make his mark. No I will not give you benefit of a logical conversation. I will spit, curse and curse some more because there is no way in world this abomination and travesty should even be entertained.
Islam and Pakistan are mirror images of each other. Those who have issues we have a 'secular' country to our east you are welcome to leave.

 

[Tipu7]

ISLAMIC CALIPHATE OF PAKISTAN.


That's the future super power boys


(those who learnt the term caliphate after emergence of ISIS don't bother to quote me)

 

[باپ]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=889992681112917

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

What's in a name? It's all about Niyet and Hareket. By the by, for the die hard secularist, what's next? Banning Ezan, Hijab, Kuran-i Kerim, Din, Ahlaq, etc. - Turkish secularist did all of those and more than that only to be gone from power forever..

 

[war&peace]

Maybe it is time to abandon our status as the "Islamic" "Republic" of Pakistan, and return to our secular roots which were planned by the fathers of the nation. Not a literal name change, but Pakistani people need to abandon the "Islamic Republic" ideology. Pakistan was created because Jinnah and co were afraid that in a Hindu dominated Country, there would always be episodes of violence and disagreement between the two chief religions, as Muslims of India had grown to become an almost different culture. Thus Pakistan was created so that the Muslims and Hindus can live in peace alone. Pakistan was created because the Muslim League felt the new "Hindus"tan would not be secular enough, not because it wouldn't be "Islamic" enough. Do we want to end up like the Middle East?

Also, it is embarrassing how many people believe in ridiculously stupid Jewish conspiracy theories, and hate Jews so much without having ever having seen one in their entire lives. Can a mature, mentally healthy human being actually believe such far fetched stories? Is this the result of one or two generations of cousin-cousin breeding? The reality is every year hundreds, if not thousands of non-Muslims are persecuted and harassed all along the country, but our sympathies are only for Palestine and non-existent dead Muslims in Burma and India. Isn't it ridiculous how people in Pakistan want women to "cover" themselves up, yet Google confirms the most number of pornographic searches are from Pakistan. Google also confirms that South Asia ranks the highest in bestiality searches.

Now people are going to be blame me for having such a negative view of my home country, but I am telling the truth, and even if the truth is not something that was told to us through biased text books. Media doesn't report such incidents because they are more focused on who Imran Khan wants to sleep with, and they don't have time for a family of murdered Ahmaids, Shias, Chrisitans, Hindus, etc. But of course it is all Mossad's, RAW's and CIA's fault, because they have so much time and resources to waste on us. (Well, RAW is an exception I guess. They all have the time in the world for their little Eastern Sibling)


P.S Removing it won't really affect the economical or the political situation. It would improve the social condition.

(NON PAKISTANIS KINDLY DON'T VOTE ON THE POLL)

Ridiculous and false. Mindless rant without any reference to any authentic source. Quaid-e-Azam and Allama Iqbal both wanted a separate homeland for Muslim of subcontinent where we could live and practice according to our religion. I believe your knowledge is extremely limited. Please get some education before presenting your myths.

 

[Woz Ahmed]

Nothing boils my head more than a seasonal insect trying to make his mark. No I will not give you benefit of a logical conversation. I will spit, curse and curse some more because there is no way in world this abomination and travesty should even be entertained.
Islam and Pakistan are mirror images of each other. Those who have issues we have a 'secular' country to our east you are welcome to leave.

Son you need to return home and build our nation, not sit in a secular state I've UK making these pronouncements.