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A war with China in 2025 would be bloody and unwinnable

I just wanted to clarify :D

But its okay.



Yeah.
  1. China will lose against Viets.
  2. USA will lose against Viets.
  3. Russia will lose against Viets.
  4. But the mighty India would decimate everyone including themselves.

No... Let's be honest.

China lost in veitnam
US lost in Vietnam..

Simple as that. And you are trying to say.. M China will have free run into Vietnam without any loss?
 
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Probably what will happen eventually. Not much hope for our species really given our inability to understand and care about each other, I hope whatever species that eventually evolves from the ashes of our self-destruction learns something from our failures.
As the Chinese idiom goes, 玉石俱焚。。。。
China is a civilisation state, gone through uncountable wars for unification and centralisation in several thousand years. She never died like other civilisation.
I can't speak for those fabricated countries which were built on nothing.
 
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As the Chinese idiom goes, 玉石俱焚。。。。
China is a civilisation state, gone through uncountable wars for unification and centralisation in several thousand years. She never died like other civilisation.
I can't speak for those fabricated countries which were built on nothing.

I have said it many times before...the monentum of Life is with China. The Toa is with China. Only those with wisdom can truly understand this Fact.

@Kiss_of_the_Dragon @beijingwalker @Chinese-Dragon @TaiShang @T-Rex friends instead of reacting to these Pschyological Warefare articles and reports...why do not you come up with scenarios in which this wishful attack on China can happen.

The fact is the US will have to use proxies like india, JP or terrorists trained in Afg to enter the Western provinces.

Also cyberattacks combined with financial/economic attacks before this theoretical shooting war.

I look forward to your creative thinking...one of you can start a thread on this.

Otherwise, we just waste time on these reports or wishful thikning of troublemakers and their happy proxies. Our time is best spent on celerbarting and understanding the momentum of Life in China and how this momentum is spreading to China's friends through OBOR.
 
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No... Let's be honest.

China lost in veitnam
US lost in Vietnam..

Simple as that. And you are trying to say.. M China will have free run into Vietnam without any loss?
Please allow me to give you an analogy. Vietnam is like a nerd kid wearing nerdy glass in the class and try to mess with the big guy under the direction of a hidden power. He then got cock, knock, and sock on the nose bleeding many times, but continue to come back to mess around. At some point, the big guy feels tired of the beat down and so decide it's time to let him have his candy.

Watch this video to understand what I'm talking about..


:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
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I have said it many times before...the monentum of Life is with China. The Toa is with China. Only those with wisdom can truly understand this Fact.
Looks like you got the wrong set of 'wisdom', buddy.

Geographically, China have poor feng shui. Poor feng shui invites bad juju. As I reached out with my astral projected self, I can see the global chi force -- Life -- favoring the US. What China experiencing now is only a temporary respite from the chi force rearranging itself from China's internal reorganization of her society.

The world is dominated by water and Water is a sign of healing, of freedom, of cleansing, and of renewal. The US with our good feng shui is braced by water from coast to coast, as if Mother Nature Herself smothers Uncle Sam into her ample bosom. :p:

The Toa maybe with China. But the Tao is with US.
 
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Looks like you got the wrong set of 'wisdom', buddy.

Geographically, China have poor feng shui. Poor feng shui invites bad juju. As I reached out with my astral projected self, I can see the global chi force -- Life -- favoring the US. What China experiencing now is only a temporary respite from the chi force rearranging itself from China's internal reorganization of her society.

The world is dominated by water and Water is a sign of healing, of freedom, of cleansing, and of renewal. The US with our good feng shui is braced by water from coast to coast, as if Mother Nature Herself smothers Uncle Sam into her ample bosom. :p:

The Toa maybe with China. But the Tao is with US.

Dear Gambit,

Indeed the US is the inevitable empire. He is of of very few analysts who makes sense.

https://www.stratfor.com/analysis/geopolitics-united-states-part-1-inevitable-empire

But. But China does not wish be like the US. It is US burden to carry. To be an empire is messy business.

My reference to China is not compared to any country. Least of all the US. Wish to see the US of the honest Abe. That man is human treasure. He enjoys my deepest respect.

China is a civilisational state. It has its cycles and shall have its cycles. Indpendent of any state as reference.

Now you have the right and due duty to be loyal to your homeland and feel as you choose. Bless you for that.

So do others.

This war business is disturbing prospect for humanity. When two great powers fight...the world burns. Here in Europe we have seen the war. Rather not see it ever again.


I am fair game to be rediculed and insulted. It is an open internet forum. No problme with that.

I sincerely request you, please, leave the human treasure of the Tao out of it. No, you have in no way insulted this. I thank you for this. I know that you are gentleman!

But in our discourse further...I depend on you to honour this request.

The Tao is with China once again though. Over to you....

You have yourself a great day.
 
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Copy and paste do you think is very simple thing??
Such as India, drawings for LCA is provided by France, the United States to provide engine, Israeli missiles, Europe provide avionics system. To now, 30 years... Can and J-10 battle?
Arjun provided by the German engine, artillery, and suspension system. Thirty years up to now, there are 57 kinds of defects. can and China the type 96 tank combat?
Sir, isn't what you want to copy and paste can do, if you don't have the industrial base and manufacturing capacity. Everything can't do.

https://defence.pk/threads/first-kill-for-type-96-tank-in-sudanese-conflict.178275/

Dude dude dude.

"Sarcasm" it was "Sarcasm"
 
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No... Let's be honest.
China lost in veitnam
US lost in Vietnam..
Simple as that. And you are trying to say.. M China will have free run into Vietnam without any loss?
Let's honesty,
Do you know the 1950-1953 Korean war?
China VS US, UK, SK, a total of 17 countries.
China and these countries fighting for three years. The United States was forced to sign a peace treaty.
India does not teach these history?
For the Vietnam war.
China and the Soviet union's aid is huge, and most Vietnamese officers graduated from Chinese schools, such as the battle of dien bien phu giap command.
I don't think Vietnam is rely on their own strength to win.

http://www.militaryhistoryonline.com/20thcentury/articles/chinesesupport.aspx
 
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Please allow me to give you an analogy. Vietnam is like a nerd kid wearing nerdy glass in the class and try to mess with the big guy under the direction of a hidden power. He then got cock, knock, and sock on the nose bleeding many times, but continue to come back to mess around. At some point, the big guy feels tired of the beat down and so decide it's time to let him have his candy.

Watch this video to understand what I'm talking about..


:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

What a world we are living in. History is fake bravoda for feel good feeling.

Time travel :1979

China rolled across major sections of the Vietnam border with infantry, armor, and artillery. Their 29 day war achieved no substantial victory and failed as a show of force against the Soviet Union.

China rolled across major sections of the Vietnam border with infantry, armor, and artillery. Their 29 day war achieved no substantial victory and failed as a show of force against the Soviet Union.


Many of the PLA's commanding officers were shocked by the poor discipline, low morale, combat ineffectiveness, and high casualties in the 1979 Sino-Vietnamese War. During the nineteen days of the first two phases, the PLA suffered 26,000 casualties, about 1,350 per day. Gerald Segal points out that in Vietnam, "in contrast to Korea, Chinese troops performed poorly. In Korea, they adequately defended North Korea, but in 1979 they failed to punish Vietnam. China's Cambodian allies were relegated to a sideshow along the Thai frontier, and China was unable to help them break out."During the war, 37,300 Vietnamese troops were killed, and 2,300 were captured.


And yes China will conquer Vietnam like we like to eat ice-cream... Because it's China

US loses everywhere.
They had to nuke Japan to win the war.
China had beat the shit out of USA and co in Korean war.

OMG. Americans and allied forces already in the path of victory. Nukes where used to end the war and complete and imiditate surrender of Japanese emperor. What kind of history they teach in ur schools? And more over nope. Chinese dint beat the ship outta Koreans. It was outside support in fear of Nato declaring war against China. And again Koreans had massive backing from Soviets.

Those times China was what Pakistan was to US during Soviet Union invasion of Afghanistan. Think about it. America came from other end of the world and defended South Korea! That's not a victory? North Koreans managed to stay alive in the was after invading south. And Americans don't want nuclear conflicts with the Soviet and pressure where mounted on US troop from American public to get the hell out of there.


And u think China will have a refreshing run into Vietnam without heavy losses to its economy and military.

If that's what u think and I pray to God to get a good history teacher for yiy

Let's honesty,
Do you know the 1950-1953 Korean war?
China VS US, UK, SK, a total of 17 countries.
China and these countries fighting for three years. The United States was forced to sign a peace treaty.
India does not teach these history?
For the Vietnam war.
China and the Soviet union's aid is huge, and most Vietnamese officers graduated from Chinese schools, such as the battle of dien bien phu giap command.
I don't think Vietnam is rely on their own strength to win.

http://www.militaryhistoryonline.com/20thcentury/articles/chinesesupport.aspx

Dude as per your conclusion there was no Russian help?

Russians had a fleet strength to take over entire European Union and strike hard the US deep inside their cites. And first of all. It was the West which saved China's arsee from Japan. No the Chinese. They were weak
 
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in contrast to Korea, Chinese troops performed poorly.

I don't wanna get into this since I believe both countries Soviet Union and China had a lot of positive impact on the World. You don't seem to appreciate both powers. That's understandable.

However a simple question for you..

You claim Chinese soldiers fought well in Korea but poorly on Vietnam. How the hell do you know if they will fight poor or well in their next fight? Do you call Mike Tyson a shitty fighter just because of a bad fight? Do you think you can fight with him now at this age of his? Well I don't recommend.

And a little side note, do you have any idea what were the main objectives behind Chinese invasion of Vietnam in 1979? Do you know that every single objective was eventually honored? What a bad fight right?
 
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What a world we are living in. History is fake bravoda for feel good feeling.

Time travel :1979

China rolled across major sections of the Vietnam border with infantry, armor, and artillery. Their 29 day war achieved no substantial victory and failed as a show of force against the Soviet Union.

China rolled across major sections of the Vietnam border with infantry, armor, and artillery. Their 29 day war achieved no substantial victory and failed as a show of force against the Soviet Union.


Many of the PLA's commanding officers were shocked by the poor discipline, low morale, combat ineffectiveness, and high casualties in the 1979 Sino-Vietnamese War. During the nineteen days of the first two phases, the PLA suffered 26,000 casualties, about 1,350 per day. Gerald Segal points out that in Vietnam, "in contrast to Korea, Chinese troops performed poorly. In Korea, they adequately defended North Korea, but in 1979 they failed to punish Vietnam. China's Cambodian allies were relegated to a sideshow along the Thai frontier, and China was unable to help them break out."During the war, 37,300 Vietnamese troops were killed, and 2,300 were captured.


And yes China will conquer Vietnam like we like to eat ice-cream... Because it's China



OMG. Americans and allied forces already in the path of victory. Nukes where used to end the war and complete and imiditate surrender of Japanese emperor. What kind of history they teach in ur schools? And more over nope. Chinese dint beat the ship outta Koreans. It was outside support in fear of Nato declaring war against China. And again Koreans had massive backing from Soviets.

Those times China was what Pakistan was to US during Soviet Union invasion of Afghanistan. Think about it. America came from other end of the world and defended South Korea! That's not a victory? North Koreans managed to stay alive in the was after invading south. And Americans don't want nuclear conflicts with the Soviet and pressure where mounted on US troop from American public to get the hell out of there.

And u think China will have a refreshing run into Vietnam without heavy losses to its economy and military.
If that's what u think and I pray to God to get a good history teacher for yiy
Dude as per your conclusion there was no Russian help?
Russians had a fleet strength to take over entire European Union and strike hard the US deep inside their cites. And first of all. It was the West which saved China's arsee from Japan. No the Chinese. They were weak
Dude. With logical thinking.
China and Japan war eight years (1937-1945). In the Pacific Japan 10 divisions, only 19.6% of the total, the battlefield of the Japanese army in China there are 35 divisions, accounting for 68.6% of the total number of the Japanese army divisions.
Japan in 2/3 of military power in China. China has been the main enemy of Japan.
Now tell me, in addition to 1945. The United States throwing the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The Soviet attack the Japanese kwantung army.
They help to China have how old?

I don't wanna get into this since I believe both countries Soviet Union and China had a lot of positive impact on the World. You don't seem to appreciate both powers. That's understandable.

However a simple question for you..

You claim Chinese soldiers fought well in Korea but poorly on Vietnam. How the hell do you know if they will fight poor or well in their next fight? Do you call Mike Tyson a shitty fighter just because of a bad fight? Do you think you can fight with him now at this age of his? Well I don't recommend.

And a little side note, do you have any idea what were the main objectives behind Chinese invasion of Vietnam in 1979? Do you know that every single objective was eventually honored? What a bad fight right?
Forgive him, he does not know Vietnam "indosinian federal" plan, also don't know Vietnam invaded Thailand, Laos and Cambodia. India does not teach that history.
 
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That is exactly the reason why China must have 10000 pieces of nuclear weapons at her disposal.

If the West tries to deter the rise of China with force, then be prepared to end in ruin together.



I thought he was an Indian or American or Pinoy or Viet in disguise. :oops:

My apologies. :p:

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