A Taiwan Crisis May Mark the End of the American Empire

[PeaceGen]

Americans will surrender unconditionally to China as soon as New York City is vaporized.

You really do know nothing at all about modern warfare do you?
Lemme put it this way : if a foreign nuke detonates anywhere in the US and the perpetrator is found, they will suffer nuclear retaliation on a massive scale. The fact that this sends in all the nukes from the opposing side, makes no never mind in that case. It's called Mutually Assured Destruction. The MAD principle of modern warfare. And exactly that will prevent countries from *starting* a nuclear war.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

You really do know nothing at all about modern warfare do you?
Lemme put it this way : if a foreign nuke detonates anywhere in the US and the perpetrator is found, they will suffer nuclear retaliation on a massive scale. The fact that this sends in all the nukes from the opposing side, makes no never mind in that case. It's called Mutually Assured Destruction. The MAD principle of modern warfare. And exactly that will prevent countries from *starting* a nuclear war.

Nuclear weapon not powerful enough to destroy a country the size of China or America. Sure, they can kill millions, but won't destroy countries.

 

[PeaceGen]

Nuclear weapon not powerful enough to destroy a country the size of China or America. Sure, they can kill millions, but won't destroy countries.

Take out all the major population centers and their industrial areas, which is exactly what would happen in such a case, and a country is crippled.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Take out all the major population centers and their industrial areas, which is exactly what would happen in such a case, and a country is crippled.

Still not enough to destroy a country.

 

[PeaceGen]

Still not enough to destroy a country.

that's not the objective. or shouldn't be, at least.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

If America fights China in Taiwan strait all 10 of its carriers be sunk.

 

[PeaceGen]

If America fights China in Taiwan strait all 10 of its carriers be sunk.

why send carriers into the straits in the first place? carriers carry *airplanes*. and are accompanied by destroyers and submarines, which have *cruise missiles*.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

why send carriers into the straits in the first place? carriers carry *airplanes*. and are accompanied by destroyers and submarines, which have *cruise missiles*.

To be effective they have to send them into the strait. Say about 100 km from the mainland. Cruise missiles can be intercepted. Plus they would need to attack the Chinese air bases which are thousands of km from the coast. The Chinese air bases in Xinjiang for example are more than 3,000 km from the coast, too far for US cruise missiles to strike from beyond Taiwan strait.

 

[Feng Leng]

Americans will make use of the many nuclear platforms they have... They're literally saving their gigantic military for a day like this.

Americans are a bunch of cowards. They will surrender unconditionally as soon as New York City is vaporized. There is no doubt about that at all.

You really do know nothing at all about modern warfare do you?
Lemme put it this way : if a foreign nuke detonates anywhere in the US and the perpetrator is found, they will suffer nuclear retaliation on a massive scale. The fact that this sends in all the nukes from the opposing side, makes no never mind in that case. It's called Mutually Assured Destruction. The MAD principle of modern warfare. And exactly that will prevent countries from *starting* a nuclear war.

Why would America want more cities nuked when they can have just one city nuked? Ask Biden which he prefers.

 

[PeaceGen]

Americans are a bunch of cowards. They will surrender unconditionally as soon as New York City is vaporized. There is no doubt about that at all.
Why would America want more cities nuked when they can have just one city nuked? Ask Biden which he prefers.

You know nothing about Americans *either*, apparently.

Unconditional surrender is disgusting to Americans. They'll rely on the MAD principle and have said so publicly in the past.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

why send carriers into the straits in the first place? carriers carry *airplanes*. and are accompanied by destroyers and submarines, which have *cruise missiles*.

The Chinese air bases in Xinjiang for example are more than 3,000 km from the coast.

Do US cruise missiles on destroyers have such range?

 

[PeaceGen]

The Chinese air bases in Xinjiang for example are more than 3,000 km from the coast.

Do US cruise missiles on destroyers have such range?

If all we need to do is repel a Chinese takover attempt of Taiwan (which i'd even oppose, but that's off topic for this thread), then we must surely not project our powers that far inside China in the first place. It would trigger a much wider war with China, possibly sending nukes into the air because Chinese officials feel their entire country's ability to defend itself is now in jeopardy.

but to answer your question : wikipedia says NATO cruise missiles have a range of "over 1000km". so less than 2000km.

i have no idea how we'd take out Chinese assets that are buried deep inside China, but i seriously doubt we'll ever have to face *that* day.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

If all we need to do is repel a Chinese takover attempt of Taiwan (which i'd even oppose, but that's off topic for this thread), then we must surely not project our powers that far inside China in the first place. It would trigger a much wider war with China, possibly sending nukes into the air because Chinese officials feel their entire country's ability to defend itself is now in jeopardy.

but to answer your question : wikipedia says NATO cruise missiles have a range of "over 1000km". so less than 2000km.

i have no idea how we'd take out Chinese assets that are buried deep inside China, but i seriously doubt we'll ever have to face *that* day.

Chinese air bases in Xinjiang can bomb Taiwan. H-6N bomber with aerial refueling has combat radius 6,000+ km, and that's not counting the CJ-10 cruise missiles it carries. Taiwan's cruise missiles can't hit those air bases which are more than 4,000 km away. So China can bomb Taiwan and Taiwan can't bomb China. If Taiwan is to survive, the US must bomb Chinese air bases in Xinjiang. So US carriers must fight in Taiwan strait to have a chance.

 

[PeaceGen]

Chinese air bases in Xinjiang can bomb Taiwan. H-6N bomber with aerial refueling has combat radius 6,000+ km. Taiwan's cruise missiles can't hit those air bases which are more than 4,000 km away. So China can bomb Taiwan and Taiwan can't bomb China. If Taiwan is to survive, the US must bomb Chinese air bases in Xinjiang. So US carriers must fight in Taiwan strait to have a chance.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that we don't have the option of taking over or using airbases nearby enough to hit those Xinjiang bases with our own aircraft. Because that's likely how these battles play out.

So we could send in our submarines first, take out your assets in the straits, and then send in our aircraft carriers as you say we must. This assuming you hit all Taiwanese airbases successfully in a surprise attack.

 

[Team Blue]

No one is nuking anybody JFC