A REAL SOLUTION OF KARACHI BY PERVAIZ MUSAHARF?

[moha199]

damn man you are absolutely right i heard the same stories about on sharabi old man and now i know it was your uncle who asked Musharraf to drink! lmfao Man this guy Musharraf doesn't drink, My brother was his personal body guard from 1999-2007 and then 2010 to 2011. Capt Nasir .... zarrar Company. I have personally met Musharraf twice in Pakistan and once in Dubai. All those Sharab drinking and having sex with Ashweria rie is all dumb stupid fake stories, Musharraf is 67! imagine your grandpa having sex with woman! you can't right? well yes because he is old and desire of Pu.....sy is gone at that age. when he came to power he was 55 plus and worked 16-18 hours a day and he took 29 days off between 1999-2004 check military records and to mention when his own son had an accident in MA USA and was in ICU for 7 days, Musharraf didn't go to visit him because he was busy at work all this information you can find in military museum since many record is available to regular public as well. in his circle he was known as a Chief who work to most. So after all this hard work i don';t think you can have much desires for fun! I mean if you talk about Nawaz or zaradi BB which never done anything in their time we can buy that but not for Musharraf, even if someone say IK did some girls and drank we will understand since we have documentary and video evidence of him enjoying his life but Musharraf! Sorry bud not a chance to believe in that Musharraf was ayash at least not to sense able person he is a man who went to INDIA and when he was asked what will you like to do for yourself and your family and his answer was i would like to have a picture with MY WIFE in front of Taj mehal, " this is a guy with this wish and you blame him for all that all i can say is " LOL

 

[batmannow]

You are still defending him on the basis of your likeness and not on the basis of actual figures.. its your source, you have been challenged to it. If low interest rates are to be only judge of economics.. Zambia will have beaten us in those many a times.

The article is by the Nust Business School Dean( why am I not surprised) has tried its very best to lay all blame on the PPP corruption.

Here is an assessment by USAID(based on IMF,World Bank studies) of why the economy was bound to slow down since the initial surge was based on Pakistan being rewarded for the WoT by being given preferential treatment.

Here is where the Technocrats helped turn it around



And how did we improve the banking sector? Privatize it(good move)..and have low interest rate(bad move..everybody went crazy buying).. when people start buying a lot based on borrowing.. its never a good thing unless they can pay it back..
well, our people could not.. many absconded.. defrauded.. etc..the petrol prices too were a blessing of Shaukat Aziz's group...but then what happened.. last three years they had to be raised again since it started a strain on the reserves.

Im not saying that the idea did not work as it was intended.. it sparked consumerism.. you could buy things, anything.. people had access to goods and services that they never had before...
But then what? Where is the infrastructure? Where is the consumerism that would have powered the industries long after Musharraf went?
Now the PPP govt has spared no effort in carving out pieces of the economy to eat away.. but even then.. there would be some backbone left.. there wasnt any.
Musharraf's economy was very similar to Ayub's plan..who co-incidently also had technocrats.. his actual achievement was the anti-corruption reforms after 99.. to whatever extent they were carried out(all done to nought with the NRO).
Use the US goodwill to jump start the economy.. and then make it work.
Given a reasonable half corrupt leader and smart technocrats.. anyone could make it happen.



And here the problems hit the incompetent fools that ran the PPP, so where the technocrats of Musharraf would have had to really twist arms(too bad they all made billions in the stock market and ran for better shores) these bumbling idiots in their quest to make a quick buck by hook or by crook totally crashed the thing..which is why when compared to this nightmare.. Musharrafs time where you and I could buy and live large ..whether on loans or imported products.. seems great.

I have a family business that PROSPERED during Musharraf's time and is now close to bankruptcy thanks to the PPP.
However, I also know that had there been more robust and cut-throat economic reforms in those days..
it would not have been so easy for Mr Ten Percent to take this house of cards down this easily.

you could buy things, anything.. people had access to goods and services that they never had before! thanks for accepting it at least!!! infrastrucure check out how many roads coastal highways, dams developed under his rule & the rule of damo-crazy TOGHATHER i hve a lot of examples to put forward but thats not the subject here

Whatever he did was the greatest economic eara of pakistan in which each & every midle class pakistani Felt happiness & freedom of buying & spending!
co-incidently also had technocrats??? why cant this govt can find some of those?
Which was itself was miricale, cause no other govt hve done that in the past or now?
The more you barrow ,the more u spend, the more production needed the more jobs to be created, that's how most of the westrn economies been run in the world?
It all came down because of better law & order situations in genrl, how many of his friends did runaway with money made by stockexchange boom?
Not a single case been regstrd against anyone of musharaf,s time ? , & if this PPP govt can't find that crouption thn that means , there is no crouption at all from musharaf,s rule itself!
Pakistani midle-poor class needs economic freedom , even they get that on browing from the banks?
Its the only step which can bring fast pace production levels , that's how the devloping countries are moving ahead ?
US-AID beed used by musaharaf govt? now its in use by different tv channels?

That was the best time , in which a midle-poor class pakistanis can ezly get a loan for buying a house , a car or ever some industrl machinry, thn todays pakistan where prices of all the basic products are out of sight?
& poor & midle class seems to be in ICU ?
Well enough on economy, come to the solution of karachi!

 

[truthseer]

listen to him? who got his chance for 10 years. And in his days we saw biggest ever live tv shooting in history of Pakistan between 2 party groups. Were was law and order? I had a soft corner for him but he wasted his chance.

And yet, less people died in 10 years that do in Karachi ever week now.

Of course, PTI doesn't mind the killing, does it? Right, @Aeronaut?

 

[SQ8]

you could buy things, anything.. people had access to goods and services that they never had before! thanks for accepting it at least!!! infrastrucure check out how many roads coastal highways, dams developed under his rule & the rule of damo-crazy TOGHATHER i hve a lot of examples to put forward but thats not the subject here

Whatever he did was the greatest economic eara of pakistan in which each & every midle class pakistani Felt happiness & freedom of buying & spending!
co-incidently also had technocrats??? why cant this govt can find some of those?
Which was itself was miricale, cause no other govt hve done that in the past or now?
The more you barrow ,the more u spend, the more production needed the more jobs to be created, that's how most of the westrn economies been run in the world?
It all came down because of better law & order situations in genrl, how many of his friends did runaway with money made by stockexchange boom?
Not a single case been regstrd against anyone of musharaf,s time ? , & if this PPP govt can't find that crouption thn that means , there is no crouption at all from musharaf,s rule itself!
Pakistani midle-poor class needs economic freedom , even they get that on browing from the banks?
Its the only step which can bring fast pace production levels , that's how the devloping countries are moving ahead ?
US-AID beed used by musaharaf govt? now its in use by different tv channels?

That was the best time , in which a midle-poor class pakistanis can ezly get a loan for buying a house , a car or ever some industrl machinry, thn todays pakistan where prices of all the basic products are out of sight?
& poor & midle class seems to be in ICU ?
Well enough on economy, come to the solution of karachi!

Even on Karachi.. the solution is not Musharraf..
They only reason he worked is because the Dehli-wala got along with his fellows in the MQM..
It worked because he gave the MQM room to work by removing the issues they were having with the JI and ANP..
When they came into power.. the MQM delivered results and its militant wing activies reduced or even ceased in some cases(many party thugs found themselves recruited as private security at malls/shopping areas/parks etc where they really did give sterling service in reducing petty crime.. even its own petty crime department slowed down).. which was the solution to Karachi.. get the parties off weapons.. and into actual work.
Now the MQM demonstrated that it CAN DO THAT.. neither the ANP , JI nor PPP has ever showed that potential..

 

[batmannow]

Even on Karachi.. the solution is not Musharraf..
They only reason he worked is because the Dehli-wala got along with his fellows in the MQM..
It worked because he gave the MQM room to work by removing the issues they were having with the JI and ANP..
When they came into power.. the MQM delivered results and its militant wing activies reduced or even ceased in some cases(many party thugs found themselves recruited as private security at malls/shopping areas/parks etc where they really did give sterling service in reducing petty crime.. even its own petty crime department slowed down).. which was the solution to Karachi.. get the parties off weapons.. and into actual work.
Now the MQM demonstrated that it CAN DO THAT.. neither the ANP , JI nor PPP has ever showed that potential..

so that means, musharaf did made them work as a tool!
azim tariq, & hakeem saeed both were urdu speakers why didnt MQM thought them urdu walla,s ? is that a sin by quran that he was born in a urdu speaking family & that all the urdu speakers are MQM walla,s
racial bassed arguments cant wash the progress & solutions made by pakarmy inthe shape of MUSHARAF!
sory again you just cant realize that , it was musharaf who made them work, why? cause MQM had no better option at that time, its the truth & we should accept it!
its funny that when his economy come in to disscussion you write it godsend, & wwhen his handling of complex issues like karachi comes you write..... the solution is not Musharraf!!!
he gave the MQM room to work by removing the issues they were having with the JI and ANP..
just write you hate him for no goddam reason, thats enough but dont make a joke out of yourself!
it doesnt matter to lose to a better argument , when your argument isnt working!
its not the matter of ego?
the MQM delivered results and its militant wing activies reduced or even ceased in some cases(many party thugs found themselves recruited as private security at malls/shopping areas/parks etc where they really did give sterling service in reducing petty crime.. even its own petty crime department slowed down).. which was the solution to Karachi.. get the parties off weapons.. and into actual work.
how many times you hve seen this happening to MQM, before?
i guss its the frist time in the history of MQM that they are in power without any fight with fedrl govt?
thats only because of musharaf, just accept it, friend!
i havnt had voted for MQM, or any other party, even for musharaf i will never going to vote, cause i am fundamently against DAMO-CRAZY!
but at the same time , we should accept the truth , write the truth, & talk & tell the truth!

 

[Arsalan]

And yet, less people died in 10 years that do in Karachi ever week now.

Of course, PTI doesn't mind the killing, does it? Right, @Aeronaut?

So who do you think is behinde these killings? PTI or @Aeronaut??
Chill man, what is that with you and PTI?
I can't figure it out seriously.
You are trying utmost to drag PTI into every thing that is going wrong turning a blind eye to the fact that we are here do to what we have done or not done in the past. This Pakistan that we see today didn't turned like this over night. The pressure was building gradually and no one addressed it. I hope you do accept that these are getting to us from our past deeds and my brother IK didn't had any thing to do with running the country and its administration in the past.

 

[truthseer]

So who do you think is behinde these killings? PTI or @Aeronaut??
Chill man, what is that with you and PTI?
I can't figure it out seriously.
You are trying utmost to drag PTI into every thing that is going wrong turning a blind eye to the fact that we are here do to what we have done or not done in the past. This Pakistan that we see today didn't turned like this over night. The pressure was building gradually and no one addressed it. I hope you do accept that these are getting to us from our past deeds and my brother IK didn't had any thing to do with running the country and its administration in the past.

Relax, it's just about how PTI and especially @Aeronaut ignore the murders in KHI, ask for an operation like the one in 92, where we lost many innocent people, along with the guilty ones, and in general, use it as a political talking point.

 

[batmannow]

So who do you think is behinde these killings? PTI or @Aeronaut??
Chill man, what is that with you and PTI?
I can't figure it out seriously.
You are trying utmost to drag PTI into every thing that is going wrong turning a blind eye to the fact that we are here do to what we have done or not done in the past. This Pakistan that we see today didn't turned like this over night. The pressure was building gradually and no one addressed it. I hope you do accept that these are getting to us from our past deeds and my brother IK didn't had any thing to do with running the country and its administration in the past.

sure IK will not hve any thing to do with running the country and its administration in the future too!
thanks for being spokesmen of PTI, now come on to topic!

 

[Arsalan]

sure IK will not hve any thing to do with running the country and its administration in the future too!
thanks for being spokesmen of PTI, now come on to topic!

Ahh...

So its getting really hot in here
Its been some time i visited these sections and it quite stunning to see two clear groups.

I am not spokes person to any particular group. Just say what i think as right, and I STAND BY IT!

by the way, i do like IK and PTI and its nice to see how he seem to be getting on nerves of the opposing groups!! You tend to see everything around you as pro Imran??
Yup, times have changes but he haven't been elected yet so spare yourself from the tension.

i at no point mentioned PTI but it was dragged into it

 

[Arsalan]

Relax, it's just about how PTI and especially @Aeronaut ignore the murders in KHI, ask for an operation like the one in 92, where we lost many innocent people, along with the guilty ones, and in general, use it as a political talking point.

hmmm, now that more like it bother, now i understand what you are saying.
But what you think? is a 92 like operation required or not?
We all know the murders in Karachi dont we. These murderers suppressed!

 

[batmannow]

Ahh...

So its getting really hot in here
Its been some time i visited these sections and it quite stunning to see two clear groups.

I am not spokes person to any particular group. Just say what i think as right, and I STAND BY IT!

by the way, i do like IK and PTI and its nice to see how he seem to be getting on nerves of the opposing groups!! You tend to see everything around you as pro Imran??
Yup, times have changes but he haven't been elected yet so spare yourself from the tension.

i at no point mentioned PTI but it was dragged into it

for me he cant give a clear statment against TTp & thats it!
ask PTIans who is getting who,s nerves?
but really wht your take on the solution on karachi?

 

[batmannow]

hmmm, now that more like it bother, now i understand what you are saying.
But what you think? is a 92 like operation required or not?
We all know the murders in Karachi dont we. These murderers suppressed!

thnks for being on topic!
it looks like more delicate & complex situation out there!
but PPP is more responsible everything which is going on right now, as long i got the intell!
lot of stupid politics going on there, in which MQM bieng preasurized by PPP to have elctoral alliance before ELECTIONS ?

 

[Arsalan]

for me he cant give a clear statment against TTp & thats it!
ask PTIans who is getting who,s nerves?
but really wht your take on the solution on karachi?

you can ask me, as i said, i do like PTI and IK

A point that i hope you will consider worth thinking about is how much have STATEMENTS helped us in the past? Had we been doing things that were required rather then sitting in presidency or parliament or if you feel so, in CM house and issuing statements things could have been better.

Karachi and its solution, i think suppression of evil is the only option.

thnks for being on topic!
it looks like more delicate & complex situation out there!
but PPP is more responsible everything which is going on right now, as long i got the intell!
lot of stupid politics going on there, in which MQM bieng preasurized by PPP to have elctoral alliance before ELECTIONS ?

MQM is a political party. What evil they are capable of all in not hidden for any of us. Please, i am not being spokes person to PPP, i hate them and there policies, specially post Zulfiqar Ali PPP!

i agree that it is much much more complex then what we are being fed.

 

[batmannow]

you can ask me, as i said, i do like PTI and IK

A point that i hope you will consider worth thinking about is how much have STATEMENTS helped us in the past? Had we been doing things that were required rather then sitting in presidency or parliament or if you feel so, in CM house and issuing statements things could have been better.

Karachi and its solution, i think suppression of evil is the only option.



MQM is a political party. What evil they are capable of all in not hidden for any of us. Please, i am not being spokes person to PPP, i hate them and there policies, specially post Zulfiqar Ali PPP!

i agree that it is much much more complex then what we are being fed.

IMRAN could hve done & won long before but he listened to americans , who dont wanted to see this PPP govt finished before the elections?
PPP is playing good cop bad cop with MQM in karachi, zulfiqar mirza was planted to make MQM voilent again, he did that!
thn came the tusle with ANP which was created by PPP, giving both sides under ground support, & now when all of this happening here comes TTp, which wasnt the part of anyones plans in karachi?
now who is going to bring a new unpolitisized police force, who is going to build a unbiased intell?
just check liyari opreation ? the police APCs !
its all a great mess?

 

[Arsalan]

IMRAN could hve done & won long before but he listened to americans , who dont wanted to see this PPP govt finished before the elections?
PPP is playing good cop bad cop with MQM in karachi, zulfiqar mirza was planted to make MQM voilent again, he did that!
thn came the tusle with ANP which was created by PPP, giving both sides under ground support, & now when all of this happening here comes TTp, which wasnt the part of anyones plans in karachi?
now who is going to bring a new unpolitisized police force, who is going to build a unbiased intell?
just check liyari opreation ? the police APCs !
its all a great mess?

Talking about un politisized police, even army have back out of Karachi Operation
http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...-rejects-operation-karachi-5.html#post3632285

cant see what a possible solution can be. I hope those at helm of affairs do have a plan that will work out in favor of PAKISTAN