A potential way Pakistan can deal with the S-400 & THAAD

[LeGenD]

We can also use attack helos for this purpose. Like US did in at the begging of Op. Desert Storm against Iraqis.

That is best approach in my view as well.

THAAD is known to have defeated different types of targets ranging from TBMs to IRBMs including very advanced types. THAAD also have anti-hypersonics capability for real although this feature is not openly advertised. THAAD will also be made to work with PAC-3 class interceptors to neutralize all manner of airbreathing targets in the near future. US will transform these defenses into a true IAMD platform upon demand.

India is procuring S-400 system by the way which might have surprises of its own.

Therefore, best approach is to maintain low-profile and footprint while going after a potent defense platform on the ground. A team of special forces with specialized gear...

 

[Ultima Thule]

Furthermore, Nasr was just one example, in theory you can turn almost any ballistic missile or rockets into Aero version.

Only from a big cargo plane like c130 or il 78 in Pakistan arsenal

 

[Metal 0-1]

Only from a big cargo plane like c130 or il 78 in Pakistan arsenal

How we are going to do that?
Can C-130 or IL-78 can carry or fire missile?
Aren't both these slow and large aircraft are easy target for air defense systems?
If we modify these aircraft does US or Russia will allow to do so?

 

[Ultima Thule]

How we are going to do that?
Can C-130 or IL-78 can carry or fire missile?
Aren't both these slow and large aircraft are easy target for air defense systems?
If we modify these aircraft does US or Russia will allow to do so?

I am not talking about NASR or some thing but tactical or short range ballistic missiles, which HAVE LENGTH OF 40+ feet so how can we fired them from the fighter jets, even our Ghaznavi BM has a length of 35+ feet, and NAZR has a range of only 70 km

 

[Metal 0-1]

I am not talking about NASR or some thing but tactical or short range ballistic missiles, which HAVE LENGTH OF 40+ feet so how can we fired them from the fighter jets, even our Ghaznavi BM has a length of 35+ feet, and NAZR has a range of only 70 km

I am not talking about this either..
Sir Please read my post agin.

 

[Ultima Thule]

I am not talking about this either..
Sir Please read my post agin.

yes i did understand what you are trying to say, but as for launch from cargo aircraft, these aircraft not going to close to the enemy border, forget C-130 might be it will not able to carry BMs but IL 78 can and as for being shot down by enemy's Air defense we can launch these short range BMs from baluchistan in between quatta and sibbi so we can avoid enemy's Air defense systems

 

[dbc]

That is best approach in my view as well.

THAAD is known to have defeated different types of targets ranging from TBMs to IRBMs including very advanced types. THAAD also have anti-hypersonics capability for real although this feature is not openly advertised. THAAD will also be made to work with PAC-3 class interceptors to neutralize all manner of airbreathing targets in the near future. US will transform these defenses into a true IAMD platform upon demand.

India is procuring S-400 system by the way which might have surprises of its own.

Therefore, best approach is to maintain low-profile and footprint while going after a potent defense platform on the ground. A team of special forces with specialized gear...

No need to risk humans, a low flying drone geared for passive detection armed with a decent anti radiation missile flying at 500 ft can approach undetected to a distance of 27.4 miles from the S400. This assumes that the adversary does not have a layered defense, if layered you need to peel each layer until you get to the S400.

http://www.ringbell.co.uk/info/hdist.htm

S400 may have an advertised range of 400 miles but it has a sweet spot of between 100-150 miles at which it is lethal. It is practically useless at the outer (>300 miles) and inner limits (50 miles).

 

[Philosopher]

Swarm UAV tactics are another piece of the solution. They have their own advantages and disadvantage (low relative speed, low range, easier to down). If you have an air launched ballistic missile/rocket with sufficient range, then you will not be putting the pilots life at risk as stand off ranges are possible. The clip showing the Apache firing the hellfire missile would not be a good idea if the enemy has layered air defence. Keep in my mind the long ranges of systems such as S-400 allow them to be buried relatively deep in your adversaries' territory.

 

[Khanivore]

Swarm UAV tactics are another piece of the solution. They have their own advantages and disadvantage (low relative speed, low range, easier to down). If you have an air launched ballistic missile/rocket with sufficient range, then you will not be putting the pilots life at risk as stand off ranges are possible. The clip showing the Apache firing the hellfire missile would not be a good idea if the enemy has layered air defence. Keep in my mind the long ranges of systems such as S-400 allow them to be buried relatively deep in your adversaries' territory.

I have a slightly different idea around this approach. I would like to see a ground-launched SEAD capability composed of stealth UAVs capable of carrying 2-4 compact guided missiles in weapon bay and aided by satellite and/or AWACS for deployment in vicinity of enemy air defences. The drones could then scan for signals/radiation and quickly deploy their warload of small guided missiles.

 

[Philosopher]

I have a slightly different idea around this approach. I would like to see a ground-launched SEAD capability composed of stealth UAVs capable of carrying 2-4 compact guided missiles in weapon bay and aided by satellite and/or AWACS for deployment in vicinity of enemy air defences. The drones could then scan for signals/radiation and quickly deploy their warload of small guided missiles.

That is a good idea, but this something that has to be developed. There are not many such UAVs in existence today, but they will become more prominent in the future. The ideal I have proposed is something that is within Pakistan capability right now and it is very cost effective. Hypersonic system, stealth UCAV etc are future plans.

 

[Metal 0-1]

yes i did understand what you are trying to say, but as for launch from cargo aircraft, these aircraft not going to close to the enemy border, forget C-130 might be it will not able to carry BMs but IL 78 can and as for being shot down by enemy's Air defense we can launch these short range BMs from baluchistan in between quatta and sibbi so we can avoid enemy's Air defense systems

Now the real question, will Uncle Sam and Putin Gov. allow to modify C-130 or IL-78 if we want to use them for this purpose?

 

[Philosopher]

Only from a big cargo plane like c130 or il 78 in Pakistan arsenal

Why do you think that? There are already fighter jet that carry such air borne missiles. Like I mentioned previously, you can modify missiles to put them on fighter like JF-17, F-16 (see Israel's Rampage) etc.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Now the real question, will Uncle Sam and Putin Gov. allow to modify C-130 or IL-78 if we want to use them for this purpose?

We couldn't get our IL 78 from Russia but from Ukraine China can easily modify il78 if Russia will give the permission c-130 might not able to carry short range BMs so forget it but we have TeLs for launching our BMs these TeLs can't easily be tracked by the enemy,so aero ballistic missile is useless for neutralizing enemy's s-400

Why do you think that? There are already fighter jet that carry such air borne missiles. Like I mentioned previously, you can modify missiles to put them on fighter like JF-17, F-16 (see Israel's Rampage) etc.

What you talking about nasr type BMs is useless for neutralizing. India's s-400 because of its range (70 km) and only short range BMs are capable to neutralize s-400 like our shaheen-1 and ghaznavi but they are they out of capabilities of our f16 jf17 because of length and weight

And tell me which fighter jet fired REAL/ACTUAL SHORT RANGE BALLISTIC MISSILES in history of the world your aero ballistic missiles ideas is not fit in indo/pak scenario

 

[Philosopher]

What you talking about nasr type BMs is useless for neutralizing. India's s-400 because of its range (70 km)

I take it you did not even notice the main topic of this thread? We are not talking about ground launched Nasr but the capabilities afforded once it goes airborne. Read the initial statement of this thread.

And tell me which fighter jet fired REAL/ACTUAL SHORT RANGE BALLISTIC MISSILES in history of the world your aero ballistic missiles ideas is not fit in indo/pak scenario

The answer to these question are literally in the opening of this very thread.

 

[Ultima Thule]

take it you did not even notice the main topic of this thread? We are not talking about ground launched Nasr but the capabilities afforded once it goes airborne. Read the initial statement of this thread.

Wether you like it or not its not viable idea in indo/pak and how can we increase its range if add more fuel so it can be heavier and longer

The answer to these question are literally in the opening of this very thread.

For first your link we need a fighter jet of size of mig-31 to fire ISKANDER type missiles
And your second link doesn't refer to what is the range of this missile and from the picture that you post its look like it is develop from SAMs rather than a BMs