A Paradigm Shift- IAF vs PLAAF

[Ind4Ever]

India needs time to catch up with China, China's defense budget is very huge and they can buy, maintain and develop technologies.

As of now
Jaguar -115 + 58 Mig UPG + 52 Mirage 2K IN + 272 Su30 MKI

totalling at 497 Combat worthy aircraft . Given the fact that 36 rafale has already been ordered this will put an impressive fleet of 533 combat aircrafts against PLAAF's 526 combat worthy aircraft.

I dint add 100s of Mig21/27 of IAF or Chinese 800 some soviet fighters . Because these are obsolete and will be replaced for sure .

Even of China has lots of money . How many aircraft it can produce in 1 year . And by the don't forget India will increase its capacity per year from now . 30 LCA and FGFA already planned for production in the country . Lots more to come . So point is in future India and China will be par in numbers and quality too

 

[BigDaddyWatch]

"China produce all it jets and India buys from West/Russia"

Now you know the outcome of a war . And why is it even matter if India import or China export in a real war ? Do explain

And on New induction yes China will induct new fighter So does India . That too most advanced jets like Rafale which will be a clear winner over Tibet for sure . If China induct 2 variants of 5 th gen fighters so does India. BETTER ONE INDEED . Like FGFA and AMCA both are largely helped by Russians . So what ? It makes it a lesser fighter ? Capability is what matters not paper specs .

My point is this : How will China replace 800 soviet era jets ? Do u even have a answer ? That too ripoff when Chinese aerospace technology was so poor that what it is now .

It means that at a time of war China will be better able to supply its forces on the front line with spares and weapons than India. Not to mention that India has a logistical nightmare with planes from different countries. The one missile won't fit the other plane. While all of China's planes will use the same missile's.

China will replace 800 old fighter jets one squadron at the time. China is building about 60 to 70 new fighter jets a year.

China's aerospace industry may not be up to those of Russia or America but it can certainly supply its air force with what it needs.

Update yourself on the latest development in Chinese defense.

Chinese Defence Forum

 

[Ind4Ever]

strong economy is the biggest factor ...later army comes

AGAIN plz read the main article again . Economic prospect in India is so high than of future prospective of China .

3 factors : Needed for increasing airforce strength

Namely 1) Home grown fighter programme to increase its number .Which it's has developed in years of hard work .As a result India now has most advanced Light Combat aircraft Tejas and improved variants. AMCA under development for its future strategy.
2) Technology to win a war against large enemy fleet. Which it's is getting very tech ToT from more advanced super powers from West to Russia.
3) Economy/Leader ship : Which in no doubt the best it can ever have . And so jump in economy is a major factor to fund all these programs.

 

[Abingdonboy]

The numbers are irrelevant really- on the technical front the IAF is ahead in terms of the quality of its machines and men.


The PLAAF has numbers but this isn't going to count for much, especially not in the skies of Tibet where (the most likely combat zone) PLAAF jets flying with oxygen tanks and reduced weapon loads because they are taking off from high altitude come up against IAF MKIs and Rafales with OBOGS and far heavier weapon loads thanks to the lower altitude bases the IAF has in the NE. Add to that the electronic advantage that lies with the MKI but especially the Rafale and that too backed by, arguably, the world's most powerful AWACS- the EL/M-2090 Phalcon.


In the long term the IAF is also going to be operating the world's most advanced 5th gen fighter- the FGFA.


And in the long, long term the economic gap between India and China is only going to diminish so it is always going to be very competitive between these two- the only option is peace because no one can afford nor wants a war as bloody as an Indo-China war would be.

 

[Ind4Ever]

It means that at a time of war China will be better able to supply its forces on the front line with spares and weapons than India.

China will replace 800 old fighter jets one squadron at the time. China is building about 60 to 70 new fighter jets a year.

China's aerospace industry may not be up to those of Russia or America but it can certainly supply its air force with what it needs.

Update yourself on the latest development in Chinese defense.

Chinese Defence Forum

So are you saying next year China will add 70 new jets ? Of what J10 B ? Then what about 5th gen jets ? You are not getting my point here . China is rich but not super rich as you say .

Mean while IAF will induct 36 new Rafale + 30 Tejas each + 40 plus already ordered Su MKI and now Russian Twitter handle has confirmed sale of 100+ FGFA starting from 36 th months . So my point is once you start to replace obsolete jets you will par with current fleet of IAF later both with have more or less equal quantity .

 

[BigDaddyWatch]

So are you saying next year China will add 70 new jets ? Of what J10 B ? Then what about 5th gen jets ? You are not getting my point here . China is rich but not super rich as you say .

Mean while IAF will induct 36 new Rafale + 30 Tejas each + 40 plus already ordered Su MKI and now Russian Twitter handle has confirmed sale of 100+ FGFA starting from 36 th months . So my point is once you start to replace obsolete jets you will par with current fleet of IAF later both with have more or less equal quantity .

And when will those 36 Rafale and 100 FGFA arrive in India ? Especially the FGFA a plane that so far only exist on paper no FGFA has flown yet. China on the other hand is receiving its J-10B's now. Not a few years down the road. You forget China is still wealthier than India and has better inhouse technology than India. So China's buildup should be far more rapid than India's. And China's buildup will help its domestic industry and economy while that of India's will help the industry and economy of France and Russia.

Yes, 60 to 70 new planes a year for now J-10B and J-16 and later J-20. That's the plan.

 

[Ind4Ever]

The numbers are irrelevant really- on the technical front the IAF is ahead in terms of the quality of its machines and men.


The PLAAF has numbers but this isn't going to count for much, especially not in the skies of Tibet where (the most likely combat zone) PLAAF jets flying with oxygen tanks and reduced weapon loads because they are taking off from high altitude come up against IAF MKIs and Rafales with OBOGS and far heavier weapon loads thanks to the lower altitude bases the IAF has in the NE. Add to that the electronic advantage that lies with the MKI but especially the Rafale and that too backed by, arguably, the world's most powerful AWACS- the EL/M-2090 Phalcon.


In the long term the IAF is also going to be operating the world's most advanced 5th gen fighter- the FGFA.


And in the long, long term the economic gap between India and China is only going to diminish so it is always going to be very competitive between these two- the only option is peace because no one can afford nor wants a war as bloody as an Indo-China war would be.

Exactly what I want to say. People are getting carried away with numbers . But the problem of China is that number superiority will be lost in a long run . J10B or J11 or J20 /31 are not a cheap fighter to keep producing like J7s .

IAF will get more advanced fighter technology than what China can or has . Our Su MKI is at whooping 272 in numbers. With Super Sukoi standards it's like having better fighters in large numbers . On par or better than Su35 . It's gonna be same like different between Su27 and MKI

You forget China is still wealthier than India and has better inhouse technology than India. So China's buildup should be far more rapid than India's. And China's buildup will help its domestic industry and economy while that of India's will help the industry and economy of France and Russia.

Yes, 60 to 70 new planes year for now J-10B and J-16 and later J-20. That's the plan.

My friend all u say is Chinese economy is better than India . Not denying that . Even though we will catch up in future . I don't want to go there . But with present economy we are rich enough to buy FGFA and Rafale from them . Which are very costly fighters if I may say .

So we don't face money problem to buy fighter jets. You are under estimating Indian industry growth . Just Google how much MKI being made in India every year . And add 30 Tejas , 12 AMCA + 24 FGFA per year. So I belive on these stats . India will over take China in long run . I know China is rich but the thing is these obsolete weapon systems are in all your three forces . And I also know you are not super rich to solve this problem even in 2 decade . Even US won't come from the knot you are in . Right now .

Finally cherry on top . How many enemies do you have ? As far as I know India as 2 .

Now add this to the mix ! China need to throw all it gas to compete with India. But what about other threats ? When India alone can send panic attacks? In future Japan India US Australia Vietnam will be out for China. And dint even added 3 Aircraft Carries of IN with 5/6 squadrons from sea .... That's massive shift . As far as I understood the situation

As far as a nation's military capabilities are measured by their
- Numbers : Show of strength/Out numbering their adversaries.

- Technology : Advanced weapon systems. For high rate of Survivability , Accuracy etc

- Threat perception : Number of possible threats faced by a country.

All these are the factors to be taken into account before calculating a nations military might .

 

[The_Sidewinder]

@Ind4Ever
Bro, yes you article is optimistic & maybe bit over the head as well. But there will be many factors that will decide who wins the arial battles. China with their larger economy & maturing aerospace industry will produce more number of jets to replace those retiring jets. It will take time surely. If the war is above Indian airspace its advantage india as the terrain, sam, radar coverage will suplement IAF fighters but if dual goes over Tibet, advantage china for the same reasons. But I doubt sane leadership of both the countries will risk a war, with weapons possesed by both the nation, it will certainly spell doom for our economy if not civilisation.

In the end, West will be the winner.