A new look at Iran's complicated relationship with the Taliban

[Homajon]

A very in depth article. As always, don't believe everything blindly that you read, but still a relatively objective article.


A NEW LOOK AT IRAN’S COMPLICATED RELATIONSHIP WITH THE TALIBAN

BARNETT RUBIN
SEPTEMBER 16, 2020

A New Look at Iran’s Complicated Relationship with the Taliban - War on the Rocks

Eight years ago, I took part in a meeting among people from several different countries — Iran, various European countries, Afghanistan, Turkey, and the

warontherocks.com

 

[Fawadqasim1]

It seems as Iran has complicated relationship with everyone other than itself.

 

[Philosopher]

It seems as Iran has complicated relationship with everyone other than itself.

All nations with influence have "complicated relationships". It's the nature of geo/politics.

 

[Homajon]

Senior Taliban Delegation Visits Iran

Signaling the Biden Administration – Iran is a partner to any regional arrangement - Senior Taliban Delegation Visits Iran

jcpa.org

 

[Homajon]

The Return Of Pro-Iranian Militia Fighters To Afghanistan Fuels Fears In Kabul, Washington

The Return Of Pro-Iranian Militia Fighters To Afghanistan Fuels Fears In Kabul, Washington

www.rferl.org

 

[CrazyZ]

A very in depth article. As always, don't believe everything blindly that you read, but still a relatively objective article.


A NEW LOOK AT IRAN’S COMPLICATED RELATIONSHIP WITH THE TALIBAN

BARNETT RUBIN
SEPTEMBER 16, 2020

A New Look at Iran’s Complicated Relationship with the Taliban - War on the Rocks

Eight years ago, I took part in a meeting among people from several different countries — Iran, various European countries, Afghanistan, Turkey, and the

warontherocks.com

Rubin is part of the USA deep state. USA deep sate's goals after 911 was to drive division and instability in the Islamic world as retribution. They exploited Iran as much as possible to make this happen. Encouraged Sunni vs Shia rivalries as well as Arab vs Iranian vs Turk vs Kurd rivalries. They have done a pretty good job so far, IMO. But they will never let Iran get too powerful and dominate the region.

Where the USA deep states plans went wrong was in Afghanistan (of all places). The USA deep state wanted to build a coalition between the USA, Kabul regime, India, and Iran to impose its will on Taliban and Pakistan militarily. This weak grouping failed to do this and the Taliban instead resurged (Charlie Hebo cartoons were great for recruiting, IMO). At the same time Iran was growing too powerful in the ME (in Iraq, Syria and Yemen), so the USA deep state now had to put the screws on to limit Iran again. The coalition fell apart and Iran started working with the Taliban while the USA is trying to get out of there.

 

[TheImmortal]

Rubin is part of the USA deep state. USA deep sate's goals after 911 was to drive division and instability in the Islamic world as retribution. They exploited Iran as much as possible to make this happen. Encouraged Sunni vs Shia rivalries as well as Arab vs Iranian vs Turk vs Kurd rivalries. They have done a pretty good job so far, IMO. But they will never let Iran get too powerful and dominate the region.

Where the USA deep states plans went wrong was in Afghanistan (of all places). The USA deep state wanted to build a coalition between the USA, Kabul regime, India, and Iran to impose its will on Taliban and Pakistan militarily. This weak grouping failed to do this and the Taliban instead resurged (Charlie Hebo cartoons were great for recruiting, IMO). At the same time Iran was growing too powerful in the ME (in Iraq, Syria and Yemen), so the USA deep state now had to put the screws on to limit Iran again. The coalition fell apart and Iran started working with the Taliban while the USA is trying to get out of there.

US didn’t exist before 1776.

Iran and Ottoman or Iran and Arab rivalry dates back hundreds of years if not thousands.

 

[CrazyZ]

US didn’t exist before 1776.

Iran and Ottoman or Iran and Arab rivalry dates back hundreds of years if not thousands.

Creating and exploiting are two different things. Rivalries between various Hindu/Sikh factions and the Moghuls predated the British presence in South Asia......but the British exploited these existing rivalries to divide and conquer.

The neocon factions within the USA wanted to play the same games in the middle east post 911, IMO...only there purpose was not not conquest but to create turmoil and strengthen the Israeli position in the region (neocons are all Zionists). The Arabs have been weakened the Iranians have been weakened but Israeli position is stronger then ever.

IMO, these American factions predicated and played the Iranian and Arab reactions very well. Things went mostly to plan in the ME. Where they messed up was in predicating what would happen in Afghanistan. Rubin's article above is an admission of this.

 

[TheImmortal]

Creating and exploiting are two different things. Rivalries between various Hindu/Sikh factions and the Moghuls predated the British presence in South Asia......but the British exploited these existing rivalries to divide and conquer.

The neocon factions within the USA wanted to play the same games in the middle east post 911, IMO...only there purpose was not not conquest but to create turmoil and strengthen the Israeli position in the region (neocons are all Zionists). The Arabs have been weakened the Iranians have been weakened but Israeli position is stronger then ever.

IMO, these American factions predicated and played the Iranian and Arab reactions very well. Things went mostly to plan in the ME. Where they messed up was in predicating what would happen in Afghanistan. Rubin's article above is an admission of this.

The US didn’t tell the Arabs to bankroll Saddam’s war against Iran in 1980’s.

If House of Saud didn’t exist there wouldn’t be amniositu between Arabs and Persians. Iran has relatively good relations with UAE, Kuwait, Oman, Syria, Jordan, Iraq. It is Saudi Arabia with its massive petroleum $$$$ that buys off Arabs to side with Saudi Arabia and not get close to Iran.

Saudi Arabia is a bigger cancer in the Middle East than Israel. They are building mosques all around Europe to push their toxic ideology they call a religion (“salafism”)

Iran and Turks are on relatively good terms. There is natural competition, but that is natural anywhere in the world.

Israel can have good relations with Iran if it changes its apartheid policy and negotiated with the Palestinians. So far it refuses to do so and continues its genocide.

 

[CrazyZ]

The US didn’t tell the Arabs to bankroll Saddam’s war against Iran in 1980’s.

If House of Saud didn’t exist there wouldn’t be amniositu between Arabs and Persians. Iran has relatively good relations with UAE, Kuwait, Oman, Syria, Jordan, Iraq. It is Saudi Arabia with its massive petroleum $$$$ that buys off Arabs to side with Saudi Arabia and not get close to Iran.

Saudi Arabia is a bigger cancer in the Middle East than Israel. They are building mosques all around Europe to push their toxic ideology they call a religion (“salafism”)

Iran and Turks are on relatively good terms. There is natural competition, but that is natural anywhere in the world.

Israel can have good relations with Iran if it changes its apartheid policy and negotiated with the Palestinians. So far it refuses to do so and continues its genocide.

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KSA and Iran are both pawns on a bigger chess board. All is going according to plan.

 

[vi-va]

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KSA and Iran are both pawns on a bigger chess board. All is going according to plan.

True. I have the same feeling many years ago. Iran play the Soviet role in EU.
Divide and rule, works very well. But things start get out of hand, Iran has been approaching Israel through Iraq and Syria, while has a say in Afghanistan.

US need to find other pawns to fight against Iran now.

 

[CrazyZ]

True. I have the same feeling many years ago. Iran play the Soviet role in EU.
Divide and rule, works very well. But things start get out of hand, Iran has been approaching Israel through Iraq and Syria, while has a say in Afghanistan.

US need to find other pawns to fight against Iran now.

My sense is USA foreign policy today is driven by two main pillars. To create division/turmoil in the ME and to contain China. In time I think a ME/NA bloc is plausible if the USA focus's mostly on the "Indo-Pacific". Iran is a wild card it may or may not join a ME/NA bloc. Regardless, both Iran and a ME/NA bloc will tilt toward China.

A ME/NA bloc could become a larger global player over the next 50-100 years when Asia and Europe will be hit by demographic decline. All depends on how savvy the rulers are in ME/NA.

 

[vi-va]

My sense is USA foreign policy today is driven by two main pillars. To create division/turmoil in the ME and to contain China. In time I think a ME/NA bloc is plausible if the USA focus's mostly on the "Indo-Pacific". Iran is a wild card it may or may not join a ME/NA bloc. Regardless, both Iran and a ME/NA bloc will tilt toward China.

A ME/NA bloc could become a larger global player over the next 50-100 years when Asia and Europe will be hit by demographic decline. All depends on how savvy the rulers are in ME/NA.

When US is the dominating power, US prefer controlling ME directly. US tried, partly successful in Gulf countries, failed in Iran, and Iraq.

US, Soviet, UK and France actually compete on ME. When US/Soviet were strong, UK and France had to back off. France can have a share of pie in NA, that's their deal behind the scene.

Now, US is not dominating power any more, US is withdrawing. The 1 trillion dollar question is: what kind of ME is in US's interest when US had withdrawn?

• US doesn't rely on ME oil and gas, while US competitors desperately need, such as China, India, France, Germany and Japan.
• It's in US interest to make ME turmoil, so that none of US competitors can benefit from ME stable oil and gas supply.
• US is in a good position to use force in ME, protected by 2 oceans, thousands miles away. Weapons flood, countries destroyed, refugees will not affect US much. While EU will suffer, China, India and Japan will suffer as well.
• It's in oil/gas consumers' interest to stabilize ME/NA bloc.

ME/NA has basically lost the chance to be a major player in global arena. Iran, Turkey and Pakistan have chance.

 

[CrazyZ]

When US is the dominating power, US prefer controlling ME directly. US tried, partly successful in Gulf countries, failed in Iran, and Iraq.

US, Soviet, UK and France actually compete on ME. When US/Soviet were strong, UK and France had to back off. France can have a share of pie in NA, that's their deal behind the scene.

Now, US is not dominating power any more, US is withdrawing. The 1 trillion dollar question is: what kind of ME is in US's interest when US had withdrawn?

• US doesn't rely on ME oil and gas, while US competitors desperately need, such as China, India, France, Germany and Japan.
• It's in US interest to make ME turmoil, so that none of US competitors can benefit from ME stable oil and gas supply.
• US is in a good position to use force in ME, protected by 2 oceans, thousands miles away. Weapons flood, countries destroyed, refugees will not affect US much. While EU will suffer, China, India and Japan will suffer as well.
• It's in oil/gas consumers' interest to stabilize ME/NA bloc.

ME/NA has basically lost the chance to be a major player in global arena. Iran, Turkey and Pakistan have chance.

The greater ME/NA region (including Turkey, Iran, and Pakistan) contains 30% or more of the world's strategic resources. Not just oil and gas but also coal, iron, copper, aluminum and solar energy as well. Not to mention a huge population that will continue to grow (a vast potential production-consumption capacity). The region united has immense power potential. This is why the neocons and various western factions want it fighting amongst itself.

The ME/NA region can rise in the next 100 years if its leaders smarten up. They must follow China's example of how to persevere after a period of humiliation.

 

[TheImmortal]

The greater ME/NA region (including Turkey, Iran, and Pakistan) contains 30% or more of the world's strategic resources. Not just oil and gas but also coal, iron, copper, aluminum and solar energy as well. Not to mention a huge population that will continue to grow (a vast potential production-consumption capacity). The region united has immense power potential. This is why the neocons and various western factions want it fighting amongst itself.

The ME/NA region can rise in the next 100 years if its leaders smarten up. They must follow China's example of how to persevere after a period of humiliation.

Pakistan has little in the way of natural resources.

Turkey has little natural resources and its recent gas discovery is mostly from stealing from neighbors in territorial disputes.

Only Iran has abundance of many different types of natural resources.