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A muslim man denied German citizenship for refusing to shake woman's hand

why are you commenting like a stubborn indian?


Why are you trying to deny people a choice in how they live their lives especially if it's not hurting anyone

If the dude slapped someone for trying to shake his hand I might understand your point of view



Touch and personal space is a very personal issue
 
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why are you illogical retards defaming Islam by posting in favor of these loonies?

@Arsalan << this here tag is not to ask for deletion of any posts but asking for help with refuting these here defamers of Islam.

Why do you attempt to justify any and every attempted violation of a Muslims right to choosh how they live their lives especially if it's not hurting someone
 
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Why do you attempt to justify any and every attempted violation of a Muslims right to choosh how they live their lives especially if it's not hurting someone
I am not sure about you but majority will be offended if he offers hand for a handshake and the opposite person dsnt respond .
 
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The man aced the German naturalization test, but refused to shake hands with the female official handing over his citizenship. Despite claims he will not shake hands with men either, his citizenship has been rejected.

German court ruled on Friday that a Muslim man who refused to shake the hand of a woman should not receive German citizenship.

The 40-year-old Lebanese doctor, who came to Germany in 2002, said he refuses to shake women's hands for religious reasons.

The Administrative Court of Baden-Württemberg (VGH) ruled that someone who rejects a handshake due to a "fundamentalist conception of culture and values" because they see women as "a danger of sexual temptation" was thereby rejecting "integration into German living conditions."

Promise to his wife
The doctor studied medicine in Germany and now works as a senior physician in a clinic. He applied for citizenship through naturalization in 2012, for which he signed a declaration of loyalty to the German constitution and against extremism. He passed the naturalization test with the best possible score.

Nevertheless, he was not granted citizenship because he refused to shake hands with the responsible official when the naturalization certificate was handed over in 2015. The woman therefore withheld the certificate and rejected the application.

He argued that he had promised his wife not to shake hands with another woman.


His petition against the ruling was unsuccessful before the Stuttgart Administrative Court and he appealed to the VGH. Following its decision Saturday, the court said that the man can appeal to the Federal Administrative Court due to the fundamental significance of the case.


The VGH described a handshake as a common nonverbal greeting and farewell ritual, which are independent of the sex of the involved parties, adding that the practice goes back centuries.

The judge found that the handshake also has a legal meaning, in that it symbolizes the conclusion of a contract.

The handshake is therefore "deeply rooted in social, cultural and legal life, which shapes the way we live together," the judge said.

The court found that anyone who refuses to shake hands on gender-specific grounds is in breach of the equality enshrined in the German constitution.

Read more: Religion no justification for not shaking teacher's hand, Swiss authorities rule In addition, the man's refusal in this case had the effect of lending validity to a "Salafist perspective" on the social ramifications of relations between men and women. The court said that it made no difference that the man has now declared he will not shake hands with men either.

The man claimed he wanted to affirm the equality of men and women, but the court found that this was merely a tactical move.

The handshake ruling was also handed down despite health officials cautioning against handshaking right now due to the coronavirus pandemic. The judge said he was convinced that the practice would survive the pandemic.

aw/rs (dpa, AFP, epd)
Germany did the right thing. If you are so ultra that mere shaking hand of a woman make you to loose your Iman, then Germany is not a place for you. You should make Hijra to the most Sharia compliant country in the world. With such mentality how German would be sure that after receiving your citizenship you would not try to blow up or stab someone when you feel they have insulted your religious feeling? So German have every right to deny you citizenship.
 
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One word "Sad".

Western values heading south rapidly. What happened to personal choices!!
The presenter of the talent show in America doesn't shake hands with any one. He is mad on personal protection.
Why it is ok not to shake hand for personal protection and not protection of your "beliefs" !!

@Pandora grow up dude.

Because we as Muslims don’t explain Them the reasons about not handshaking perhaps.
 
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Their country their rules.... Who cares... I think the world has bigger issues than a stupid handshake to worry about.
 
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What hapenned to the concept of freedom to choose? Isnt there anything like respect for personal preferences? Its weors that western countries want people to adopt their culture to gain citizenship but they object to others who want to implement their own culture in their own countries.
Also there are muslim morons here who think refusing to shake hands with female is extremism. We most Pakistanis dont shake hands with females, we also dont like our sisters n mothers to shake hands with other men, its our culture and part of our modesty, has nothing to do with sexual stuff. The hypocrite west and there immigrated minions can jump up and down, reality is these hypocrites ban a headscarf, a purely personal clothing choice, but its ok to roam around naked. The west is going down the drain.
I urge my muslim and Pakistani fellows to reject western culture, remove their filth from ur family n kids. Make ur kids love ur country n culture and resist this culture of wanting to live abroad.
 
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With such mentality how German would be sure that after receiving your citizenship you would not try to blow up or stab someone when you feel they have insulted your religious feeling?

lmao, you are being unreasonable and stereotyping muslims as terrorists.

regards
What hapenned to the concept of freedom to choose?

Europe's leaning on far right so even though they boast about their tolerance and freedom, it only gets as fa as they want to meaning they pick and chooce in it for their liking.

regards
 
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Their culture. You don't like it? Don't try for citizenship.
What hapenned to the concept of freedom to choose? Isnt there anything like respect for personal preferences? Its weors that western countries want people to adopt their culture to gain citizenship but they object to others who want to implement their own culture in their own countries.
Also there are muslim morons here who think refusing to shake hands with female is extremism. We most Pakistanis dont shake hands with females, we also dont like our sisters n mothers to shake hands with other men, its our culture and part of our modesty, has nothing to do with sexual stuff. The hypocrite west and there immigrated minions can jump up and down, reality is these hypocrites ban a headscarf, a purely personal clothing choice, but its ok to roam around naked. The west is going down the drain.
I urge my muslim and Pakistani fellows to reject western culture, remove their filth from ur family n kids. Make ur kids love ur country n culture and resist this culture of wanting to live abroad.

Their country. Don't like it, don't go there.
 
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In what world shaking hand of a woman haram and became a cultural value. Not shaking hand of a woman is a salafist concept and people didnt even know about it until Salafist spread it around. How many westerners you see applying for citizenship in the Muslim countries for economic reasons? If you only desire to earn money then that can be done on visa as well dont apply for their citizenship. These same people then marry more than one women flaunting laws while declaring other 3 as mistresses.

Did u grow up in a tunnel or wat? More than 90℅ of pakistanis never shake hands with female. Most of them might not even pray 5 times a day, which makes it more of a cultural thing. U calling it extremism only shows u have no idea of our culture, better stick with ir brown sahib hanging between cultures. I am educated and a moderate but never shake hands with a female, neither do i want my sister motjer or wife to shake hands with other men. If ur ok with that, its ur own choice but dont call others extremists.
 
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Why are you trying to deny people a choice in how they live their lives especially if it's not hurting anyone

If the dude slapped someone for trying to shake his hand I might understand your point of view



Touch and personal space is a very personal issue

But that wasn't the reason. If you are germaphobe then it is different. But you wanting to be their citizen yet you stick to your past cultural values and being adamant about it defeats the purpose of the extension of citizenship.
Did u grow up in a tunnel or wat? More than 90℅ of pakistanis never shake hands with female. Most of them might not even pray 5 times a day, which makes it more of a cultural thing. U calling it extremism only shows u have no idea of our culture, better stick with ir brown sahib hanging between cultures. I am educated and a moderate but never shake hands with a female, neither do i want my sister motjer or wife to shake hands with other men. If ur ok with that, its ur own choice but dont call others extremists.

Clearly they are not looking for you to bring your culture but rather want you to assimilate into theirs. That's their whole view point of citizenship.
 
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Their culture. You don't like it? Don't try for citizenship.


Their country. Don't like it, don't go there.

Then also dont pretend to be champions of freedom, dont interfere in other countries. They have a problem when countries like saudi makes it compulsory to cover ur head while in public, but its ok to ban headacarf in their own country? The guy is a doctor and probably serving the country way better than majority of the citizens, he would want citizenship but with his personal choices preserved. If u claim to be champions of freedom then allpw them personal freedoms likechoice to wear what they like and choice to touch or not to touch anyone they want.
 
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