A Homeland for Indian Muslims

[Amazon]

@Starlord how is your fantasy american girl baking pizza in all between?

 

[Amavous]

Care you give us primary source for this/

Many thanks.

It is known as the Iqbal's famous "Allahabad" address of 1930.

Iqbal was elected president of the Muslim League in 1930 at its session in Allahabad in the United Provinces, as well as for the session in Lahore in 1932. In his presidential address on 29 December 1930 he outlined a vision of an independent state for Muslim-majority provinces in north-western India:[9]

I would like to see the Punjab, North-West Frontier Province, Sind and Baluchistan amalgamated into a single state. Self-government within the British Empire, or without the British Empire, the formation of a consolidated Northwest Indian Muslim state appears to me to be the final destiny of the Muslims, at least of Northwest India.[9]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Iqbal#Revival_of_Islamic_polity

 

[AfrazulMandal]

Just to let you know that more than 98% Pakistani Muslims care and pray for you guys. Trust in ALLAH. Don't worry the oppression will end soon. Just wait for the day when the population of Muslims on Western side(Pakistan+Afghanistan) and south eastern(Bangladesh) wakes up, that would be the day which will be remembered as the Start of the Downfull of once the Terror Maata of the South Asia

Thank you for your wishes.

By you I mean all those who are supporting this idea.

I have been out of touch with this forum for some time. If there are other 'Indian' Muslims, kindly tag them here. I only know @jamahir and @xeuss.

The problem with your post is this - you equate India as a State as the enemy.

That is not true. A Muslim ruled India will NOT be your enemy. We should try to make that happen. As impossible as it may sound, it is not impossible. BJP came to power with 31% of the vote and allies. If Muslims become strong enough to get to 35% of the population by any means OR by external support in the form of a liberation movement (Pakistan+Turkey+Bangladesh+Afghanistan) - it may be possible to rule even a numerically superior non Muslim majority.

Hindus have been slaves for centuries and once the leadership and military elites are destroyed, the rest will collapse. But then it should be our priority to ensure Hinduism itself is totally made a thing of the past. If there are no Hindus left there wont be any Hindutva.

I am not talking about killing anyone. They will see the light of Islam once their leadership is thoroughly defeated and the reality of their wrong ways is made clear.

This includes the removal or at least hiding of all Hindu temples and artifacts. There should be no CHANCE for another Ayodhya like temple rebuilding ever in the future.

Forgot to loop in @The_Showstopper bhai.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

@The_Showstopper

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

It is increasingly clear that Muslims are not welcome in today's India.

And to be fair, let us Muslims accept the hard truth below.

1. Hindus hate us. This includes the secularists. Even the Dalits and lower castes.
2. Sikhs also care two hoots about us, except some photo ops from Khalsa Aid, we are always going to be evil Mooslims to them. The way they forgot their humiliation and continued to serve the Indian state speaks volumes.
3. The Buddhists simply don't seem to care. Where they are a significant part of the population (Leh and Ladakh), they want to toe the Indian and pro Hindu line. They cheer the pogroms against Muslims in Sri Lanka and Myanmar. No point in expecting anything here.
4. Parsis and Christians - The Parsis seem neutral but have not done anything concrete for our plight. Even though they continue to flourish in Iran, their hatred for Muslims remains illogical. But at least they don't go about rioting against us.
The Christians are a disappointment. Even with our similarities, they continue to choose the Hindu side instead of aligning with us. If nothing at least for religious reasons. But alas.

There may be exceptions, but one cannot live a life and make decisions based on exceptions to the Rule.

The only people who can and will support us are Muslims.

Even the secularists and the communists have problem with our La ilaha illalah. So count them out too.

Only Muslims can improve the conditions of Muslims. In India as in anywhere else.

I propose the following. These are just ideas. But ideas are inherently strong. They cannot be extinguished.

1. Muslims need political power. But no political party is strong enough to support us. We should accept this fact and support only those that fight for MUSLIM rights ONLY. No other secularism platform should be tolerated. We have seen what secularism has done to our community. Only Allah swt's Deen is for us.
2. We need the means to defend ourselves. This includes all measures within and without any reference to ANY constitution of ANY country. This right is inalienable and I dont want Muslims to care about local laws. Procure arms anyway possible to defend yourselves.
3. Aggressively proselytize. Dawaah is not just for fashion. There are many people of other religions who are sympathetic to us. We should not be content that they are secular and humane. Their real test will be if they recite the Shahada. If they remain Hindu, they will be a part of the oppressor.
4. Eventually we should try to reach a significant portion of the population. Such that Hindu consolidation is unable to get political victories.
5. If that fails, we need to settle for West Bengal and the North east of India as a Muslim homeland for Indian Muslims. There can be separate Muslim nations created in Kerala, Hyderabad and elsewhere if locals there want.

The Indian Army needs to be defeated and the state authorities need to be tied down for this to happen. It may be necessary to highlight human rights abuses by Hindus as regularly as possible so that UN task forces sanction India. Eventually the economy decline will force a curtailment of the armed forces which may lead to a demoralisation.
Then we will be in a position to ask for independent republics or one amalgamated province of Muslims.

All views are welcome.

What would your views be if a Muslim in a country like India wants to be atheist or Hindu?...and how do you envision to unite Muslims together?

 

[N.Siddiqui]

The problem with your post is this - you equate India as a State as the enemy.

That is not true. A Muslim ruled India will NOT be your enemy. We should try to make that happen. As impossible as it may sound, it is not impossible. BJP came to power with 31% of the vote and allies. If Muslims become strong enough to get to 35% of the population by any means OR by external support in the form of a liberation movement (Pakistan+Turkey+Bangladesh+Afghanistan) - it may be possible to rule even a numerically superior non Muslim majority.

Hindus have been slaves for centuries and once the leadership and military elites are destroyed, the rest will collapse. But then it should be our priority to ensure Hinduism itself is totally made a thing of the past. If there are no Hindus left there wont be any Hindutva.

The rise of Sangh is a blessing in the scheme of things, if looked into a broad perspective...India needed that fear and hatred for Muslims for the rise of Hindutva, and the subsequent rise of Muslims as a result.



"Moeed Pirzada, a prominent political commentator and columnist, recently noted that “Ram Rath Yatra, Mandal Commission, Ram Janma Bhomi movement, Attack on Babri Mosque, demolition of Babri Mosque, Bombay riots, nuclear explosions of 1997, Kargil Conflict, attack on Indian Parliament, mobilization against Pakistan, Gujarat Pogroms and Mumbai terrorism everything in one or the other was skillfully utilized in redefining Indian narrative and politics moving it ever closer to the realization of a Hindu Rashtra which now exists in reality though it still needs a legal and constitutional cover”."

 

[N.Siddiqui]

With India turned into a Hindu Rashtra in all practical purposes, Muslims denigrated to an oppressed, marginalized, disenfranchised mass, a separate homeland for Muslims of India is required and looks inevitable.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

You said:

Time to reiterate the great words by Allama Iqbal "I envision a separate country for Muslims of India compromising of Muslim majority areas"

He said:

I would like to see the Punjab, North-West Frontier Province, Sind and Baluchistan amalgamated into a single state. Self-government within the British Empire, or without the British Empire, the formation of a consolidated Northwest Indian Muslim state appears to me to be the final destiny of the Muslims, at least of Northwest India

independent state for Muslim-majority provinces in north-western India

Please note there is a very important distinction between what you said and he said. His emphasis was of the North West [Indus Basin] Muslims of the British Raj. And he even names those provinces. Here they are today.

 

[Amavous]

Please note there is a very important distinction between what you said and he said. His emphasis was of the North West [Indus Basin] Muslims of the British Raj.

I mean same formula can be true for Muslims of current India.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I mean same formula can be true for Muslims of current India.

I agree. There are 200 milion Muslims in India. Surely they can carve a Bhaipur within the geography of modern India. 200/1,400 million. Say about 14% of Indian geography can be reserved for Bhaipur.

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

You said:


He said:


Please note there is a very important distinction between what you said and he said. His emphasis was of the North West [Indus Basin] Muslims of the British Raj. And he even names those provinces. Here they are today.

Beautiful


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If Hind (India) means historically the Indus Valley, then Ghazwa-E-Hind has already happened

 

[Indus Pakistan]

If Hind (India) means historically the Indus Valley, then Ghazwa-E-Hind has already happened

It already has happened. I read a article in Daily Times [was a great paper then] back in early 2000s where a contributor said so and he cited historical logic to it. He says 'Hind' in 7th century to Arabs mean't the lower Indus Valley ~ that is Sindh. Which was conquered.

So the Ghazwa was done long time ago !

 

[fitpOsitive]

Dont forget 17 year old Hindu Girls like @Amazon

Stop teasing her....sudhar ja larkay.

What about west up bro ?
Nice place for you guys to settle ...
I am all up for giving one district of muzaffarnagar to 200 million muslims of india ?
You guys up

Sure sure, along with former Mangrol, Munawader, Hyderabad Deccan, Kashmir and half UP.

 

[Kaniska]

Stop teasing her....sudhar ja larkay.

Is Amazon a girl?? That profile person is already upset with me in another thread...

 

[Baba Google]

It is increasingly clear that Muslims are not welcome in today's India.

And to be fair, let us Muslims accept the hard truth below.

1. Hindus hate us. This includes the secularists. Even the Dalits and lower castes.
2. Sikhs also care two hoots about us, except some photo ops from Khalsa Aid, we are always going to be evil Mooslims to them. The way they forgot their humiliation and continued to serve the Indian state speaks volumes.
3. The Buddhists simply don't seem to care. Where they are a significant part of the population (Leh and Ladakh), they want to toe the Indian and pro Hindu line. They cheer the pogroms against Muslims in Sri Lanka and Myanmar. No point in expecting anything here.
4. Parsis and Christians - The Parsis seem neutral but have not done anything concrete for our plight. Even though they continue to flourish in Iran, their hatred for Muslims remains illogical. But at least they don't go about rioting against us.
The Christians are a disappointment. Even with our similarities, they continue to choose the Hindu side instead of aligning with us. If nothing at least for religious reasons. But alas.

There may be exceptions, but one cannot live a life and make decisions based on exceptions to the Rule.

The only people who can and will support us are Muslims.

Even the secularists and the communists have problem with our La ilaha illalah. So count them out too.

Only Muslims can improve the conditions of Muslims. In India as in anywhere else.

I propose the following. These are just ideas. But ideas are inherently strong. They cannot be extinguished.

1. Muslims need political power. But no political party is strong enough to support us. We should accept this fact and support only those that fight for MUSLIM rights ONLY. No other secularism platform should be tolerated. We have seen what secularism has done to our community. Only Allah swt's Deen is for us.
2. We need the means to defend ourselves. This includes all measures within and without any reference to ANY constitution of ANY country. This right is inalienable and I dont want Muslims to care about local laws. Procure arms anyway possible to defend yourselves.
3. Aggressively proselytize. Dawaah is not just for fashion. There are many people of other religions who are sympathetic to us. We should not be content that they are secular and humane. Their real test will be if they recite the Shahada. If they remain Hindu, they will be a part of the oppressor.
4. Eventually we should try to reach a significant portion of the population. Such that Hindu consolidation is unable to get political victories.
5. If that fails, we need to settle for West Bengal and the North east of India as a Muslim homeland for Indian Muslims. There can be separate Muslim nations created in Kerala, Hyderabad and elsewhere if locals there want.

The Indian Army needs to be defeated and the state authorities need to be tied down for this to happen. It may be necessary to highlight human rights abuses by Hindus as regularly as possible so that UN task forces sanction India. Eventually the economy decline will force a curtailment of the armed forces which may lead to a demoralisation.
Then we will be in a position to ask for independent republics or one amalgamated province of Muslims.

All views are welcome.

From what I see, you guys do not stand up for yourselves. In fact almost every Muslim all over the world is running for his life in the times of korona right now. I mean seriously? Mosques are closed, Kaaba is closed over corona fears, what the hell are we doing? Don't you guys know that Freewill and Predestination both exist according to Islam? All of us need to re-check our beliefs, our aqeedah our mazhab etc - like seriously what the hell are we doing?

Just stand up for yourself man, Allah will help you with the rest.

The Valley of Sorrows might be out of sight but NEVER out of mind and is NEVER quiet...PakKashmiris are still chantting Azadi, Azadi.... the day the Muslims of MaqboozaHindustan understood the meaning of Azadi... GameOver!

chanting Azadi Azadi is not enough.