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Riots are completely different scenario when compared with daily norm.Meanwhile in riots both community lost lives,it was bilateral,different from one way cases in Pakistan.By the way riots were instigated by minority only.

Lol how is killing, r@ping and butchering someone is better or different from any daily norm. It is always the worst if compared to what allegedly happens to Pakistani hindus. What a screwed logic you have.
 
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After gujraat riots, hindus of pakistan get burn in hell

Muslims were abused in gujraat, myanmar etc why should any of us care about a scum hindu minority
 
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Terrible! But they should go to some wealthy country. I don't think our government cares and with a notoriously lengthy bureaucracy, I don't see them settling down peacefully any time soon.

After gujraat riots, hindus of pakistan get burn in hell

Muslims were abused in gujraat, myanmar etc why should any of us care about a scum hindu minority

Pakistanis will be Pakistanis with or without gujarat riots.
 
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Lol how is killing, r@ping and butchering someone is better or different from any daily norm. It is always the worst if compared to what allegedly happens to Pakistani hindus. What a screwed logic you have.

Whose logic is screwed,let it be decided by sane minds of forum.

It's completely different since muslims are not trying to flee India on the pretext of silly excuses. It's plum in pudding.Anyway one can't awake the man who is pretending to be sleeping.:wave:
 
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The attitudes of some brain washed people who see every thing in a religious delusion is the main reason Pakistan is going through the crisis.

On the other hand minorities and migrants from Sind played their constructive part in India's economic growth.
 
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Exodus of minorities amid rising extremism in Pakistan. By Asif Aqeel, Director Center for Law and Justice, Lahore, Pakistan



The Pakistani nation was baffled by the news on Thursday, August 9, that 250 Hindus had been debarred from crossing into India by the Interior Ministry despite these folks had valid Indian visas. Interior Affairs Minister Rehman Malik appeared on TV channels and stated that the Indian embassy had “hatched a conspiracy” against Pakistan by issuing 250 visas to the Hindus. Malik, whose Senate membership was suspended by the Supreme Court over dual nationality but was restored when he revoked the U.K.’s citizenship, said that the Hindus could leave only after issued “no objection certificate”. The matter has got so much attention that the Indian parliament and Pakistani Parliament are discussing Hindus’ exodus from Pakistan.

Before these Hindus were allowed to cross the Indo-Pak border, they shared their woes with the Pakistani media. They said that “their shops were looted, their houses were raided by unknown men and their women were forcefully converted” to Islam in the province of Sindh. These stopped Hindus held a protest after which the Pakistani government allowed them to cross over to India the next day. This embarrassing news made the Sindh Chief Minister Kaim Ali Shah and President of Pakistan Asif Ali Zardari take notice of the incident. A presidential inquiry committee was set up to end plight of Hindus. There is very little hope that the committee’s recommendations would bring any change that could halt exodus of religious minorities. In 2009 the Pakistani government set up a judicial commission to inquire the Gojra attacks in which dozens of houses of the Christians were set alight and eight Christians were killed. The judicial report identified responsible elements and also suggested amendments in the blasphemy laws. Alas! To this day, no attention has been paid to the judicial commission’s recommendations. The outcome of this presidential inquiry can be assessed from the fact that Malik’s Federal Investigation Agency (FIA) has submitted its report that no exodus of Hindus is taking place and the Hindu lackeys in the government have also denied any migration of Hindus.

Rather than taking note of flight of 250 Hindus, the government should identify and mitigate the migration push factors that force minorities to leave the country. There are roughly 200 million Muslims living in India but their migration to Pakistan is almost non-existent. It is religious intolerance which just does not scare religious minorities but even Muslims, especially those belonging to the minority sects.

Few very recent examples would be sufficed to show how intolerant the Pakistani society has become. These days, the Pakistani Muslims, like rest of the Muslim ummah, are fasting in the month of Ramadan. The police in Islamabad, capital of Pakistan, are raiding cafes in posh areas to enforce Ehtram-e-Ramazan Ordinance, 1981 (the ordinance prohibits public eating during the month of Ramadan from morning till evening). It is not enough! The people themselves take law into their own hands for implementation of this rule introduced by a military dictator in 1981. On July 30 nine Christian nurses in Karachi were given poisonous tea to avenge their eating and drinking during Ramadan. No arrest could be made in this incident. On July 30 Airport Security Staff lady inspector on an airport in Lahore “severely thrashed” an assistant of passengers handling “for taking a phone call of her husband on her cell minutes before Iftar” (the fast breaking time). Religious zealotry by civilians does not stop to beating but can go as far as taking life of the offender in Pakistan. In a recent harrowing incident, a fuming mob beat and burned alive a mentally ill man in the city of Bahawalpur for “throwing pages from the Holy Quran onto the street”. On July 04 the police had formally arrested this mentally ill person and locked him up in the police station. But this did not satisfy the angry protestors, numbering from 1500 to 2000. The protestors surrounded the police station, torched four vehicles, overpowered the few police officers present there and dragged the mentally ill man in the middle of the road where they burned him to death. These very recent incidents show that not just religious minorities but even any Muslim man or a woman is not secure in Pakistan.

Religious intolerance, introduced by the Urdu-speaking migrant leadership for political mileage in ethnically divided Pakistan, has been evident since 1947. The Objectives Resolution, introduced in 1949, divided the nation between Muslim and non-Muslim. The Hindus were the first, then were the Ahmadis, in 80’s were the Shias and Zikris and with the dawn of the 21st century the Sunni sects of Brailvi and Deobandi have got engulfed in its flames. The pre-partition communal violence between Hindus and Muslims has now been replaced by Muslim mobs ransacking houses of Christians and setting them on fire.

The Hindu minority which is in news these days has been perceived with suspicion and was dubbed as a fifth column during and after 1971 India-Pakistan War. Pakistani school textbooks and Urdu media paint Hindus as treacherous, mean, evil and enemies of Pakistan and Muslims. Hindu temples are closed, vandalized, or turned into schools or hotels. In response to demolition of Babri Mosque in India by Hindu extremists in 1992, more than 1000 Hindu temples were destroyed by Muslim mobs across the country.

The Pakistani Hindus can be divided into two sections: high caste and untouchable Hindus. Both of them are fleeing Pakistan for different reasons. The high caste Hindus, who are smaller in number but are educated and wealthy traders, face a challenge of abduction for ransom in the cities of Quetta and Karachi. On the other hand, the untouchable Hindus, the main bulk of the community, are shunned as evil. There are separate utensils for these people at eateries in the province of Sindh. Barbers refuse to give them haircut because it involves touching them. Even the untouchable Hindu children at school are mistreated by Muslim students and teachers alike. These Hindus are mostly uneducated and poor. They serve as bonded laborers and some of them are locked up in private jails of Sindhi landlords if they try to flee bondage. Manu Bheel is a living story of such an ordeal of the untouchable Hindus. Nine members of his family are in a private jail of a landlord since 1998. He is protesting outside the Karachi Press Club for almost a decade but to no avail. Even the Chief Justice of Pakistan, who recently sent the Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gillani home over contempt of court, has failed to recover these nine missing persons. These untouchable Hindus in 2011 devastating floods were forced to live under the sky because the Muslims did not let them in the relief camps. At the same time, both the high caste and untouchable Hindus face the same challenge. Their young women are abducted, forcibly married and converted to Islam. The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan reported in 2010 that 20 to 25 Hindu women were being forcibly abducted each month and converted to Islam.

The Hindus are not the only minority in Pakistan who are leaving the country since 1947. Evacuation of Pakistani Christians is also taking place for similar reasons. Like the Pakistani Hindus, the Pakistani Christians can also be divided into Anglo-Indian and Goan Christians – who mostly lived in Karachi, Islamabad and Lahore and now have settled abroad – and the Punjabi Christians who are mostly backward, poor and uneducated. The Anglo-Indian Christians were the first to leave the country due to the changing socio-cultural environment. In early 60’s and 70’s they migrated to Canada, U.S., the European continent, New Zealand but mainly to the U.K. and Australia. Today, we can hardly find an Anglo-Indian Christian in Pakistan, though few Goan Christians are left, but bulk of the Christians is of the Punjabi descent.

The Punjabi Christians are comparable with untouchable Sindhi Hindus. They are mostly uneducated, poor and leading their lives in suburban ghettoes. Almost 75 percent of their population consists of laborers, brick kiln workers and sweepers. The Christians in the Punjab are treated as untouchable and disparagingly called “Chuhra”. Their mere touch is considered abhorrent. In several parts of the Punjab they are refused haircut because it involves touching them. For example, in Sikandarpura, Kasur District, we can find a tea stall that has separate crockery for the Christians. This crockery – dirty, used and having broken edges – is handled by the Christian clients and even washed by them after use.

On one hand these Christians are perceived as untouchable because of their background but on the other hand they are associated with the West. The Hindus are called as agents of India while Christians are perceived as agents of the U.S. According to Lahore Archbishop Saldanha hundreds of Christians were accused of espionage and arrested during 1965 Indo-Pakistan War. The archbishop in his book “Hamari Dastan” (Our Story) says that all the accused were released because no charge was proved. In several instances infuriating mobs have attacked Christian ghettos over blasphemy accusations, especially after 9/11. Shantinagar (1997), Sangla Hills (2005), Bahmaniwala (2009) and Gojra (2009) are the most notable incidents when the Christians of these areas had to flee. Their houses were ransacked or burned and in the Gojra incident eight Christians were burned to death. The only Christian national cabinet minister Shahbaz Bhatti was assassinated in March 2011 by terrorists for speaking against Pakistan’s blasphemy laws. After his assassination, the Indian government included Pakistani Christians and Buddhists who could get long-term visas “with ultimate intention” of getting Indian citizenship. Earlier, this visa type was limited to the Hindus and the Sikhs. Hence, these are incidents of intolerance that play role in minorities’ evacuation from the country.

Like Hindus and Christians, the Pakistani Sikhs, Zoroastrians, Jews and Jains have also decreased in number over the decades. At the time of independence, there lived the fourth largest Zoroastrian (Parsi) community of the Indian Subcontinent in the city of Karachi. This community played an exceptional role in Pakistan’s development but their number has steadily decreased due to Islamization in the country. Similarly, a small but vibrant community of Jews lived in Karachi but it decreased especially after Arab-Israeli wars. Today, like the Jews, the Jains are also non-existent in Pakistan. Several names like Dhalla (now given Islamic name as Liaquatabad) and Bhabra in Lahore remind Jains’ presence before partition but hardly a Pakistani knows this fact. There are several Jain temples here in Pakistan but these deserted religious places are mistaken for Hindu temples. For example, the Jain Mandir (Jain Temple) in Lahore was demolished by angry Muslim mobs in 1992 after the Hindus demolished Babri Masjid in Ayodhya, India. The intersection next to this demolished Jain temple was named as Babri Chowk (or Babri Cross) after the temple was demolished.

Although the religious minorities are fleeing the country, it would be inappropriate to say that only they are the ones who are leaving. In 2010 Pakistan was the 8th largest asylum seeker in industrialized countries. There was 66 percent increase with more than 18000 Pakistani asylum seekers in 2011 and “Pakistan jumped from eighth to fifth place in the list of countries of origin for asylum seekers”. Obviously, religious minorities make a very small percentage of these asylum seekers. There are about 2.2 million Pakistanis living in Europe and most of them are Muslims. In Germany the majority of Pakistanis are Ahmaddiyya. Hence, it would be inaccurate that this is only the religious minorities who are fleeing. It would be more appropriate to say that all insecure sections of society are evacuating the country. The poor Pakistani Hindus and Christians are far behind in this struggle due to lack of resources.

Pakistan needs to revisit its policies that are causing economic meltdown and increasing instability and insecurity. Flight of religious minorities should be used only as a yardstick but not for witch-hunt if Pakistan is serious to bringing a phenomenal change in its social and political landscape and making it congenial for their living. Religious minorities are fleeing the country because the founding father Mr. Muhammad Ali Jinnah’s words have long been ignored. “No civilised government can be run successfully without giving minorities a complete sense of security and confidence. They must be made to feel that they have a hand in government and to this end must have adequate representation in it. Pakistan will give it”, he told to Associated Press of America on November 8, 1946 when Pakistan had yet to come into existence. If the President of Pakistan, the Interior Ministry and provincial governments really mean to address grievances of religious minorities then they must pay heed to the Pakistan which Mr. Jinnah envisioned for minorities.

Pakistan Christian Post


"The Hindu minority which is in news these days has been perceived with suspicion and was dubbed as a fifth column during and after 1971 India-Pakistan War. Pakistani school textbooks and Urdu media paint Hindus as treacherous, mean, evil and enemies of Pakistan and Muslims."

Atleast this much is very apparent on this page, where a couple of poster are accusing entire Hindu population of Pakistan as being enemy's 5 th column.

But this exodus is not just restricted to Hindus but all minorities of Pakistan... even Pakistani Christian are fleeing ..but that might be because, perhaps they are more loyal to Vatican?
 
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"The Hindu minority which is in news these days has been perceived with suspicion and was dubbed as a fifth column during and after 1971 India-Pakistan War. Pakistani school textbooks and Urdu media paint Hindus as treacherous, mean, evil and enemies of Pakistan and Muslims."

Atleast this much is very apparent on this page, where a couple of poster are accusing entire Hindu population of Pakistan as being enemy's 5 th column.

But this exodus is not just restricted to Hindus but all minorities of Pakistan... even Pakistani Christian are fleeing ..but that might be because, perhaps they are more loyal to Vatican?

And they think this is medieval era,no one is taking note of these developments.They are very high on radar of rest of the world these days,strong retaliation is just around the corner in many countries while in some of the countries it has already begun to take shape.
 
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Mr Singh, who has been rousing his refugee guests at 3am to lead them in yoga and religious chants, said he wanted to forcibly drive Muslims from India.

This is the guy facilitating their welfare.

I feel sad they had to flee and they are not wrong in saying that Pakistan has and still is experiencing rising levels of extremism that have never been seen in the country.
 
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and pakistanis will still say that minorities are safer in pakistan..:disagree:
 
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Just a few days back , Pakistani Police officials raped a Hindu girl .

However instead of crying foul and making sweeping statement against Pakistan , i would rather see something being done for them .

Hindu's are not the only ones fleeing . Hazaras are fleeing as well . I hope they are given Asylum .
 
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A Hindu hell on earth: Families are being torn apart by their desperation to flee persecution in Pakistan

They had waited for years. So when the opportunity came they took it, even if it meant leaving behind friends and neighbours, brothers and husbands. Even a three-day-old baby boy. Seven weeks ago, almost 500 Hindus from Pakistan crossed into India on the pretence of visiting a religious festival. In reality, they had come to escape religious persecution and poverty. Some said they would rather commit suicide than go back.

“Pakistan is worse than hell for Hindus,” said one of those who managed to flee, Laxman Das, a fruit trader from Hyderabad.

Though Pakistan was established as a state for Muslims, the original vision of its founder, Mohammad Ali Jinnah, was of a place of tolerance and inclusion.

“You are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place or worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed – that has nothing to do with the business of the state,” he said in speech in August 1947.

Yet Jinnah’s vision has steadily been eroded. Today, as Pakistan prepares for a historic election on 11 May, its Christians and Hindus, which together comprise perhaps 3 per cent of the population, face persecution and assault. Some have fled.

“If people have any resources, they want to leave here,” Dr Ramesh Kumar Vankwani, of the Pakistan Hindu Council, said from Karachi.

The Pakistanis who have made their way to the village of Bijwasan, not far from Delhi’s international airport, all belong to the same low Hindu caste and come from the same part of Sindh province. They have applied unsuccessfully for visas to India for years and hit upon the idea of asking to visit the Kumbh Mela festival, the most auspicious date in the Hindu calendar. Though the festival is held every three years, it is only every 12 years that it is held at the confluence of the sacred Ganges and Yamuna rivers in Allahabad. This year the festival was held in February and March.

“Getting a passport is not so difficult. But getting a visa is very hard,” said 35-year-old Hanuman Prashad, another fruit trader from Hyderabad, explaining how they told the Indian authorities they wished to attend the festival.

The Hindus, who came in three groups, said their biggest motivation to leave was the challenge of educating their children. There was discrimination in government schools, where they were referred to as “kafirs”, told to go and work in the fields and obliged to recite the six kalimas, or tenets, of Islam.

For girls, it was even more difficult, so much so that few of the families bothered sending their daughters to school. “For the wealthy Hindus it is easier – they can send their children to better schools or else abroad,” Mr Das said.

They said the situation had become worse since the rule of the military leader General Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq, who seized power in 1977 and for the next decade oversaw an increased Islamisation of Pakistan. Following the notorious destruction of India’s Babri mosque by a Hindu mob in 1992, the Hindus of Pakistan were often the victims of revenge attacks.

While hundreds of Hindus received visas to attend the festival, not everyone did. Almost everyone at Bijwasan – where they are squeezed more than 20 to a room in a former school, the air filled with flies – can tell a story of leaving someone behind.

Hanuman Prashad, who came to India with his wife and six children, said his parents had not been successful. When it came to leaving, with the knowledge he would not return, everyone wept. But his parents were insistent. “Whatever happens to us, go and save your life. Take your kids,” they told him.

****** Sulanki had travelled to the crossing at the Pakistani border town Khokhrapar with her husband and seven children, the youngest being only three-days old. She said the Pakistani authorities demanded a passport and visa for the newborn, too young even to have been named.

She said she pleaded with the guards to let her cross with the boy she was still breastfeeding but they refused. Dazed and tear-stained, Ms Sulanki said she believed she had no alternative but to hand the child to a relative who had come to the border with them. Since then she has been unable to make contact to discover what has happened to her baby.

She said she had prayed they would get their visas earlier so she could have given birth in India.

“I had no option,” she sobbed. “I sacrificed the baby for the sake of the other six children, so they can have an education.”

A 30-year-old pregnant woman called Laran Keswari was equally distraught. She had crossed with her five children but her husband, who is disabled, had not obtained a visa. She told him she did not want to go without him but he insisted she go ahead for the sake of their children. “God is on your side,” he told her.

Ms Keswari is anxious about how she will manage by herself with her children, hoping against hope that her husband will be able to join them. “We speak on the phone but we are both always crying,” she said.

An irony of the group’s exodus from Pakistan, a journey to escape discrimination, is that it was made possible by people with fundamental and, in some cases, extremist views. Their host in Bijwasan was Naher Singh, a former customs officer and policeman, who accommodated another smaller group of refugees in 2011. He asked his rent-paying tenants to leave his property and housed the Pakistanis instead. “These people are my God and Goddess. I worship them,” he said.

Mr Singh said the cost of feeding and housing the 483 people was met by various hardline Hindu groups, including the Vishva Hindu Parishad, the Bajrang Dal and the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh. Some of their members have been linked to confrontations with minority groups across India.

Mr Singh, who has been rousing his refugee guests at 3am to lead them in yoga and religious chants, said he wanted to forcibly drive Muslims from India. He made a series of inflammatory remarks.

Mr Singh was accompanied by a Hindu priest. Asked if Mr Singh was not displaying the sort of bigotry from which he claimed to be saving the refugees, the priest replied: “This is God talking through him. And I agree with him.”

The government of India has yet to publicly comment on the refugees or its plans for them. Sending them back to Pakistan would be politically fraught. Pakistan has not commented on the matter.

Mr Singh said he would fight any attempt to repatriate the refugees and claimed they would be accepted by the local community. He said: “We will find jobs for them here in the villages.”

A Hindu hell on earth: Families are being torn apart by their desperation to flee persecution in Pakistan - Asia - World - The Independent

This is very much not fair. If we are going to take all of Pakistan's Hindus (which we pretty much have over 65 years), the % of Hindus in Pakistan is like 1 or 2%, so they all were either killed, forcefully converted or moved to India mostly.

My question is shouldnt Pakistan also take Indian Muslims in return and for fairness? Muslims in India are poor, uneducated, backward, and always start riots for no reason. They are not even supposed to be in India anymore after 1947 when they were given a Muslim homeland...

If we are going to take the undesired population of Pakistan, and spend our resources on these Pak Hindus, then we should very much also ask Pak to take our Muslims, after all, their TNT pretty much demands it...
 
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Good for them if they want to live in Bharat.

Mods please move this thread to the sticky thread.

They dont want to. They are being killed, forcefully converted, and made to flee against their wishes by Pakistani Islamic terrorists...

Please dont excuse your religions venemous involvement by spreading false information. Call a spade a spade. The problem in the world always has been Islam...
 
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Quite sad to see this happening. Hopefully the new government would put an end to this.
 
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Nothing can put an end to this.

In case you have not noticed, decimation of all religious minorities is an established pattern in all Islamic countries.
 
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