A friendly neighborhood best guarantee for South Korea's national security

[Jlaw]

Keeping in mind SK's lack of political sovereignty:

1. Keep pressuring Seoul.

2. Pool efforts with Russia.

3. Develop counter-measures to specifically target the US without endangering SK interests.

4. Enlarge CN-SK FTA and push for CJK FTA. The anti-thesis of the US policy in the region is development.

Only two things need to be done right now:

remove NFU policy

Publicly announce SK will be a target in an event of nuclear conflict

 

[Nan Yang]

Depends on who initiate the regime change. If it was the Chinese who initiated that, it may not have result in war if works are done appropriately. Otherwise any US/UN/SK Attempt to force a regime change would most definitely result in war.

The point is, as long as NK is run by a renegade regime, they (The S Korean) will do what the US said, they won't turn to the Chinese because they know of one simple fact that China Is supporting the NK. Before that, nothing can rid the US out of the Korean Peninsula

S Korean policy on N Korea is very similar to China. They also supported N Korea with Billions with the Kaesong industrial complex, the family reunion and tours into N Korea.

For the two Koreas to reunite peacefully, N Korea has to develop a certain level first following China model. And only China can help.

 

[Nike]

S Korean policy on N Korea is very similar to China. They also supported N Korea with Billions with the Kaesong industrial complex, the family reunion and tours into N Korea.

the motives is very different if you look closely

 

[xunzi]

SK is not that stupid as you may think. They already know Thaad don't really defend but to give the US the edge in a war with China-Russia. This is why I no longer trust the SK. As you already know, I am the biggest pro SK in PDK but I see through their scheme, using our national security interest to bargain with the US for tech transfer. Because of this, our SK policy need to change and we need to develop contingencies to destroy them if we have a war with the US.

First thing first, announced we longer support NFU and accelerate the procurement of DF41.

 

[Nan Yang]

the motives is very different if you look closely

China policy on N Korea is very clear.
No war, no collapse and no nuclear weapons. In that order.

Tell me what is S Korea policy on N Korea.

 

[Brainsucker]

Fallout of THAAD affects S. Korean entertainment industry
By Zhang Rui
China.org.cn, August 5, 2016

The widespread rumor that China's media watchdog will ban K-pop and K-dramas may have an impact on S. Korea's entertainment industry in response to South Korea's decision to deploy the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD).

China's biggest streaming site Youku announced on its Weibo account that the fans' meet-and-greet with S. Korean stars Kim Woo-Bin and Suzy Bae event, scheduled for the TV drama "Uncontrollably Fond" on Aug. 6, has been delayed for reasons of "force majeure." [Photo / Sina Weibo]


Youku, China's biggest streaming site, has announced on Wednesday that the fans' meet-and-greet with S. Korean stars Kim Woo-Bin and Suzy Bae event, scheduled for the TV drama "Uncontrollably Fond" on Aug. 6, has been delayed for reasons of "force majeure."

What's more, boy band EXO's Shanghai concert is rumored to be cancelled. The producers of the movie "Never Said Goodbye" announced there are some visa problems with one of the cast members, South Korean star Lee Joon-Gi, so Lee may miss out the premiere on Aug. 7. Even the insanely popular South Korean TV series "W," which China's Tencent is licensed to broadcast online, now faces the danger of not passing the censorship.

All the above mentioned scenarios seemly indicate that the rumor might be true. Since the beginning of August, rumor has it that the State Administration of Press and Publication, Radio, Film and Television (SAPPRFT) will ban or contain South Korean stars' activities in China for a certain period of time, which will involve their TV shows, films, television series and more. Those that pass the examination and censorship will not be affected, but new ones will encounter problems. The rumor also said the SAPPRFT's decision will be effective in August.

But there is still not proof yet that the ban really exists, and there is no written notification from the Chinese government. An industry insider said if the rumor is true, the new rule must be triggered by THAAD, "but I think this is temporary."

If there's any truth in the rumor, the South Korean entertainment industry will take a big blow as China is the country's largest entertainment market.

Shares in YG Entertainment nosedived at Tuesday's close, the lowest in 52 weeks. SM Entertainment began to fall from early July to a 52-week low on Tuesday. Other major entertainment shares, including CJ Corporation and JYP Entertainment, also slipped. In the past three days, the four major South Korean entertainment enterprises have lost a combined 361.5 billion won (US$325 million) on the stock market.

But if China really issued any ban, it would backfire. China's cultural enterprises invested about US$2.7 billion into Korean gaming, online platforms, TV, films and artist management from 2010 to 2015. More and more China-South Korea collaborations were initiated while more and more Korean artists came to China for a wider market, where they have a large following of fans.

China has strongly and resolutely opposed the THAAD deployment as it damages the national security of China and breaks the strategic balance in the region.

@Beidou2020
@Sinopakfriend

Apparently, our economies and industries are very much tied. Hence, a win-win solution (win-win for CN and SK only) has to be found.

Attacking SK entertainment industry is a false move, if it's really executed by China. They have to show the SK what is the meaning of "hostile intention". Like, they betray our trust, so now, let us make them feel how is to be betrayed. Just announced that China will place their best radar jamming and anti air system in the North Korea, and that will give SK some wake up slap.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

The US occupies similar kind of share of trade surplus of China.

China's trade surplus for 2015 was 600 billion dollars. China's surplus in trade with US was 366 billion dollars.
That makes China dependent on the US for 61% of its trade surplus. How much leverage does the US have then over China?

US is depend on Chinese good, it's been decades that US was crying to boycott Chinese product but still keep buying it, and don't forget we do them also the favor to buy bond and high price tag items such Boeing and let Big corporate such Apple, movie and Disney Land to set their foots in China, we also have leverage on them. Americans know that any trace war will harm them as well.

A unified Korea is not in the best interests of troublemakers.

Then there will be no reason for THAAD or other strategic weapons placed in SK.

Besides THAAD in SK gives the troublemakers opportunity of preemptive strike against China.
It can look deep into Chinese airspace.

SK could have chosen a more strategic autonomy from the US and said no. But then SK is not a free country, just like JP.

More critical question now is not what SK should have or not have done...but what can China do to safeguard its national security.

All this mess in SCS is just smokescreen.. a context that the troublemakers needed and created.

What can be done?

We finally see the true color of Korean, imagine if we let them unite, THAAD will be just one inch to our door step...

 

[Economic superpower]

SK is not that stupid as you may think. They already know Thaad don't really defend but to give the US the edge in a war with China-Russia. This is why I no longer trust the SK. As you already know, I am the biggest pro SK in PDK but I see through their scheme, using our national security interest to bargain with the US for tech transfer. Because of this, our SK policy need to change and we need to develop contingencies to destroy them if we have a war with the US.

First thing first, announced we longer support NFU and accelerate the procurement of DF41.

South Korea wants tech transfer from America for its 5th generation fighter jet. America wants THAAD to monitor Chinese and Russian missile launches. This is the deal.

 

[Oldman1]

North Korea building nukes has nothing to do with South Korea.



They are reacting to United States policy of regime change.

Sure it does. North Korea still wants a unified Korea. Who stands in the way way? I give you a hint. Starts with a U. North Korea is not reacting. They had been trying to blackmail by demanding more aid in return stop testing ballistic missiles and nuclear weapons. Since the U.S. refused, they decided to sell their weapons and developing more weapons. Even China is against it right? Otherwise they would have just sympathize and do nothing.

If NK nuke fired toward the US, it would be intercept on Japan THAAD. the distance of SK to NK is too close that they don't need to fire nuke. So yes, you put THAAD mainly to spy on us and Russia and build a shield in a potential nuclear war. I'm saying this many time. SK has the right to build nuke and we have the rights to nuke them in any nuclear exchange with you. Let get this clear.

Distance is still a factor when you have military bases further south of South Korea. They can blunt North Korea's invasion even if it has rockets and artillery but they cannot reach the ports and bases further south. And I doubt you would want South Korea to have nukes. China has stated that. South Korea just be another country to nuke China from only 2 minutes away or less if it decided to develop long range ballistic missiles and nukes.

 

[xunzi]

Distance is still a factor when you have military bases further south of South Korea. They can blunt North Korea's invasion even if it has rockets and artillery but they cannot reach the ports and bases further south. And I doubt you would want South Korea to have nukes. China has stated that. South Korea just be another country to nuke China from only 2 minutes away or less if it decided to develop long range ballistic missiles and nukes.

Like I said before, NK is not in a position to launch any invasion nor use ballistic missile to attack SK. They will use rocket and artillery to destroy Seoul. So THAAD is not meant for NK despite whatever your government said about using the NK threat as a cover. You are talking about the biggest liar in the world, Uncle Sam, here.

 

[terranMarine]

Defense shield in EU against the Iranian missile threat, Iraq developing WMD all bullshit lies. Same with putting THAAD in SK. Yet Oldman refuses to believe that his own country never lies

 

[Place Of Space]

Defense shield in EU against the Iranian missile threat, Iraq developing WMD all bullshit lies. Same with putting THAAD in SK. Yet Oldman refuses to believe that his own country never lies

On political or geopolitical level, there is no so called lies. The action is up to its rationality and requirement. It's not our business to judge America lies or not, it's our time to solve the challenge.

Like I said before, NK is not in a position to launch any invasion nor use ballistic missile to attack SK. They will use rocket and artillery to destroy Seoul. So THAAD is not meant for NK despite whatever your government said about using the NK threat as a cover. You are talking about the biggest liar in the world, Uncle Sam, here.

N. Korea is too poor and its strategy still focus on nuclear weapons. It's a troublesome strategy. Is it possible China, Rusia station army to North Korea and help its reform? In this case, N.Korea can have better economy, increase purchasing capacity and provide us with work labors, finally they will have enough ability to buy advanced Russian weapons. Will president Kim allow it happen?

 

[BoQ77]

Like I said before, NK is not in a position to launch any invasion nor use ballistic missile to attack SK.
They will use rocket and artillery to destroy Seoul.

Your first sentence is wrong. The second one may true but NK could launch BM from their North end or anywhere on their land to Seoul, Pyongtaek,...or Busan, if the war started.

 

[xunzi]

Your first sentence is wrong. The second one may true but NK could launch BM from their North end or anywhere on their land to Seoul, Pyongtaek,...or Busan, if the war started.

You lack military strategy knowledge, my young friend. Why do they need to use BM to destroy Seoul if they can do so more effectively with artillery, cruise missile, rocket? And those have a higher and more effective chance to hitting Seoul in large quantity then launching BM miles away.

 

[BoQ77]

You lack military strategy knowledge, my young friend. Why do they need to use BM to destroy Seoul if they can do so more effectively with artillery, cruise missile, rocket? And those have a higher and more effective chance to hitting Seoul in large quantity then launching BM miles away.

You have such a short-sight vision.
A war isn't limited in fire exchange to and from Seoul.

1. What we know when NK fired artillery to a Korean island, SK immediately counter-strike to the launch sites in NK. Artillery, rocket sites in NK near the border has no chance to survive for long if Seoul hit.

2. Seoul isn't same as South Korea. No one in NK plan to win the war by just destroyed Seoul but leave other places in peace. NK ballistic missiles are for short to medium range attacks upto Busan, the memorable last stand of SK force in Korean war.

3. It's not true that SK doesn't want and be able to invade NK by force, if NK ignited the fire.
SK people isn't coward.